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Post by Redwaver on Dec 1, 2014 16:07:13 GMT -6
This is Neal's shot. I think you see a coach calling the shots a lot more than LB. LB gave the asst coaches a lot of say, I think Neal will have a short leash this first year. His career rides on this Couldn't agree more. He's not working off a good ole boy network like some on here assume. There you go! Darn right! I think a new sheriff's in town!
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Post by Redwaver on Dec 1, 2014 14:41:44 GMT -6
There is a place for the Rugby kick. Windy conditions is just one! We must play in hurricane conditions every game then lol Nope, it's a return vs no return scenario. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't.
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Post by Redwaver on Dec 1, 2014 14:27:38 GMT -6
To be honest I'm not thrilled. I think this was the vanilla choice. I think Troy should've hired someone with head coaching experience because a good coordinator doesn't necessarily make a good coach (see Tony Franklin). I guess we have no other choice at this point but unless Brown hires some crack coordinators I'm not expecting much, especially for the first year. See Nick Sabin Toledo 1990 !!!!!!
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Post by Redwaver on Dec 1, 2014 7:58:28 GMT -6
See, things are already changing, because Kenny Edenfield doesn't run BUBBLE SCREENS on 3rd down, what games have you been watching? We ALWAYS RUN "sprint draw right" or left, ON 3RD AND LONG..... WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING TROY!!!!! . !!!!!! I'm just hoping I never have to watch another rugby kick on 4th down There is a place for the Rugby kick. Windy conditions is just one!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 30, 2014 21:37:03 GMT -6
You think Lashlee runs the offense at Auburn? Neal will have a great deal of influence on play calling Same was true with Spurrier, Leach and Kelly when he was at Oregon. Any one that thinks Neal will not control the offense is nuts Let's hope so!!!
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Corey Gill
Nov 30, 2014 21:35:05 GMT -6
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 30, 2014 21:35:05 GMT -6
Really? So a 4A Alabama school, "statistically" should not be able to compete with a 7A Florida school, right? I'm not familiar with how 7A in FL compares to 4A in AL. I am familiar with AL classifications. The 4A high from which I graduated would be run off the field by 7A Spain Park or 8A Hoover. There is more talent on the bench at either of these two schools than there is in the entire Houston Co, AL school system (excludes Dothan) and that is directly related to the number of potential players in Birmingham compared to the number of the same in Ashford. Can a kid from a small school be successful in college or even the NFL? Absolutely. Can playing against competition that has a smaller pool of talent from which to choose make one look better than he is? Again, absolutely. A big fish in a small pond may turn out to be a minnow when placed in the river. It's simply a matter of odds. The bigger the number the more kids in the top grades. The more kids you have in a school the more the odds are you will have a good athlete(s), no more no less!! In Florida the unreal advantage they give us to private schools through the recruiting route. Private schools have a free rein in the name of recruiting for the purpose of faith, public schools can't do that. I have spent a lot of time communicating with the FHSAA. The legislature is the evil behind thst issue but that's another story. A great kid can come from a 1-A school but the odds are not as good.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 30, 2014 21:26:56 GMT -6
If you think Johnny Manziel or Jameis Winston is a deuche wait until you meet this kid. That answers my question. I for one take issue with anyone on this site calling high school recruits disrespectful names. Apparently some coach saw his talent, evaluated his character and decided they wanted him to represent our University. If they come here, screw up then have at them but until then, it is a lack of class for us to do it here. Darn, him or his family could be reading this as could other possible recruits and their impression of us is what? If, as sn adult, I call a high school kid disrespectful names what does that say about me? Worse yet what does it say about US?
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 30, 2014 17:56:02 GMT -6
To answer your question, yes, the POSITIONS needs an increase in salary but I think changes need to be made with the increase. This is the time to start toward a total turn a round, a fresh start. I think this (who to keep) could be Browns first HUGE decision. As a side note, I'm left wondering, if all this money is available now, why not 2-3-4 years ago so LB could hire quality assistants? That one is on Dr Hawkins! By Larry's own omission, he packed it in after 2011. Why invest in something going forward if the person know themselves they are done ? Share with me the article where Larry said he quit ("packed it in") after the 2011 season. I must have missed that!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 30, 2014 16:08:18 GMT -6
As much as I love to hate UAB, I am saddened that I will no longer be able to hate them in the same way. This REAKS OF UT arrogance and Little Cub Bryant flexing his muscles again. Sad... I think UA would shut fown every program in the state if they could. Alabama has an arrogance problem that is something else. I talked to a long standing donor and I was floored at the attitude. They feel threatened by everyone, either that or they are like a kid at the table that wants all the food for themselves.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 30, 2014 15:34:23 GMT -6
Paying a staff more money than the last provides incentive. If we upped our previous staff to 700K plus increases in assistant salaries, we'd be up to 850/900K for a HC and we'd be back to griping about why we didn't pay the previous staff that much money. It's also possible we didn't have the money during our title run. Go ahead and list our big time donors and their fat checks to Troy Athletics. Don't worry, I'll wait. If you asked that about ULL and Arkansas State recently, their fans would rattle off their big time donors. There have a been a few for those schools where there have been zero for Troy, to my knowledge. I'm not talking title run, I'm talking when Schlarman, Brown and others were here but left. We sat on salaries and let them go. I understand that money even effected the kiting of our last DC...or the lack of it.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 30, 2014 15:28:31 GMT -6
Just because they did not apply does not mean you don't ask I think if they are under contract to another team it does!!! You might contact their agent though, I'm not sure.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 30, 2014 14:20:37 GMT -6
I am pretty sure Troy contacted them. The more I have thought on this the more NB makes sense. He knows the challenges of Troy and has recruited here. Also he will have connections in Texas and the KY, OH, TN area which can only help In talking with the staff, I am certain that all initial contact, with sitting coaches came from the coaches camps, JH isn't about to go behind an AD/Head Coaches back to persure a possible candidate. This is like any other corporate job. Troy put out a " help needed" sign and coaching reps contacted Troy with their candidates interest. Pretty sure that's how it went down. Or somebody is lying to somebody. Absolutely, otherwise you have an ethical isdue!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 30, 2014 14:17:14 GMT -6
To answer your question, yes, the POSITIONS needs an increase in salary but I think changes need to be made with the increase. This is the time to start toward a total turn a round, a fresh start. I think this (who to keep) could be Browns first HUGE decision. As a side note, I'm left wondering, if all this money is available now, why not 2-3-4 years ago so LB could hire quality assistants? That one is on Dr Hawkins! Do more with less mentality and Larry Blakeney... This mentality is no longer a option. Or should it have been to start with. Maybe if all this money had suddenly appeared 4 years ago you might not be saying "and Larry Blakeney"!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 30, 2014 14:15:19 GMT -6
He is paid 200k as the OL coach at UK.... I think we could match that Maybe even break the bank a little and pay him more to be our OC The only problem is we need him as OL coach, Dye was beyond horrible. I think Neal will have a lot of say in play selection imo, maybe even calls the plays himself. I would like Schlarman being OC but being responsible for the line and let Briwn call plays (until we play LSU again ha ha). It's funny how we are now finding all this money that we needed 4 years ago when WE HAD THESE GUYS AT TROY!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 30, 2014 14:05:45 GMT -6
I liked the idea of doing what Georgis Southern did in hiring a proven Championship coach from FCS. He won immediately. Neal I hope makes a great HC but we don't know. Next season will give us a glimpse, as will his recruiting. I am optimistic because I feel like we can only go up. LB ran the program into the ground. He was a great coach when he was younger, but talking to former players who played for him when he first came to Troy till now, he isn't even the same person. The young LB made it clear that everyone earned their job, practices and off season were very intense, he was fiery, That is what I think we get with Neal, young, hungry, energetic and something to prove. Maybe if we had "found" all the money we now seem to have for LB so he could hire top coaches or to keep some we had we might not be blaming just him for where we are today!!! He does have responsibility for the team but not the money. That little respondibility resides in Montgomery!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 30, 2014 13:59:16 GMT -6
Well I'm glad i made it home in time to read this thread. Are you sure mama didn't have to drive you home? Firewater does funny things to the mind!:-)
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 30, 2014 13:54:12 GMT -6
This is going off of what was reported... 5 year contract worth about 3.5 million. Meaning 700k annually. Which would make him tied for the 2nd highest paid HC in the SBC with Blake Anderson at Ark State. I'm more interested to see what we pay the assistants. I believe KE was making around 116k. And bolt around 130k. We need to bump both of those up atleast around 50k each IMO. What's everyone's thoughts? To answer your question, yes, the POSITIONS needs an increase in salary but I think changes need to be made with the increase. This is the time to start toward a total turn a round, a fresh start. I think this (who to keep) could be Browns first HUGE decision. As a side note, I'm left wondering, if all this money is available now, why not 2-3-4 years ago so LB could hire quality assistants? That one is on Dr Hawkins!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 29, 2014 21:11:03 GMT -6
What was his record from his start (why not count all his years?)to the start of that "4 bad years" you refered to? I think those years before this 4 year streak was pretty darn good. I'll take 5 consecutive championships and two bowl victories from Neal. Neal would be gone after 1 or 2 sbc championships Probably so!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 29, 2014 21:09:01 GMT -6
Why would you say no to the coach? Let's look at the facts. Chuck Dunn - LB coach, former student assistant and then GA at Troy. Born and raised in pike county. Loved by everyone in this county Duwan Walker - Defensive coordinator former player for coach Blakeney in the 90's. Ask coach about him, he thinks the world of him. Cornelius Williams- WR coach. Former trojan who again, ask LB about him. Bryant Vincent- offensive coordinator. Former OC at Charles Henderson. Very well liked in Troy. Proven winner Bill Clark-all he does is win. Start at the beginning. Look where Prattville was when he got there and where they are now. He did as much or more to build USA as Joey jones did, he put Jax state back on the map in 1 year and he had people excited about freaking UAB football. If you can win there.... My gosh. Make the call now!!!!! We all want an instant impact. We have some great candidates, but where else can we find some of our own with a head coach that doesn't lose who can immediately bring players in to fill holes and have us bowling in 1 year. I beg you to tell my why this can't work. We blew our chance 5 years ago to have him as DC. Don't blow this now. Let's take care of out people. [ I would not have an issue with Clark but coaches being from here and/or well liked in Pike County is of no importance. If you win you are usually "liked" by your fans and town but lose and watch the hate start. We all get frustrated at poor performance. If you are a great coach and happen to be a Troy guy or you are loved by the locals that is a bonus.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 29, 2014 20:59:42 GMT -6
24- 4 = +20 not bad! I'll take that out of the next guy! Uh?:-) His record from 2001 to 2014 was 78-79. I hope for better from Neal What was his record from his start (why not count all his years?)to the start of that "4 bad years" you refered to? I think those years before this 4 year streak was pretty darn good. I'll take 5 consecutive championships and two bowl victories from Neal.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 29, 2014 18:51:02 GMT -6
I wouldn't be shocked to see Brown keep KE... He hasn't done a horrible job at Troy, this year it dropped off some due to a new QB. Plus KE still has a kid in school there. And I'm sure Neal knows this... It will be NB offense anyway whether KE is still here or not... But no way Bolt stays lol I want someone else calling plays, if it's Brown, fine but I'm worn out on bubble screens. I bet we lead the nation in yards the ball has traveled in the air with the least number of yards gained!! Today they stacked their LB's and the middle was open all day and when we threw downfield it was successful....WHEN we threw to the deep middle zone.
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Neal Brown
Nov 29, 2014 18:33:21 GMT -6
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 29, 2014 18:33:21 GMT -6
Troystet, I dont understand your consistent doubting at this process and this selection process and candidates. It seems as though the only name you would have had good feelings about is Steve Campbell. Who were your top 3 picks for this job? Since Sabin is not available who would have brought your "excitement"? I for one believe all these names brought more to the table at the Dl level than Campbell would have except from his friends which is understandable. I know, but that's just MY opinion. Ok,"he's a winner"! Nothing wrong with that concept but it carries not one iota of guarantee he could do the same at this level. I don't think he has ever won a game at Dl. I still shiver when thinking of the LSU game and how Brown called that 4th quarter and will until they lay me out but I'm still excited that this is a new beginning. If he is allowed to Bring in his people then it could really bring back the winning spirit you, I and others want. Today's attendance was an embarrassment to how far we have fallen and it was really sad for LB. He deserved better! It's simple. How many games has he won as a hc? He might do great but he's 34 and never been a HC so we will see. He has my support that much I will do until he shows it was a mistake. I think it will take 3 years to undo Blakneys mistakes When Toledo hired Nick Sabin in 1990 he had not won a single game as a head coach at any college level and he was 39 years old. How did that work out? Think and hope for the positive. If it don't work out that way we will have to deal with it again. There will be no more LB's.
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Neal Brown
Nov 29, 2014 18:23:41 GMT -6
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 29, 2014 18:23:41 GMT -6
It's Neal brown... Cats out the bag... He might be bringing someone with him too..... I hope it's a OL coach, DC, DL coach and a special teams coach I hope so as well! Troy needs a clean start and I think it's best for the program that he bring anyone he thinks he needs to turn things around BUT he does know some of our current coaches snd that scares me in some instances but time will tell. If he wants to succeed he won't let that influence his decisions. Might be one of his most important decisions of all! Interesting,
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 29, 2014 17:58:29 GMT -6
Thanks for the memories, with the exception of the last 4 years. On to a new era that hopefully brings us back to winning and championships again. 25 - 4 = +21 not bad! I'll take that out of the next guy! Uh?:-)
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 29, 2014 17:42:02 GMT -6
Underwhelming. But hope he's successful. I agree. Didn't think any of the names were exciting but if he's the coach I hope he brings success and if he doesn't bring discipline in this will blow up in his face Troystet, I dont understand your consistent doubting at this process and this selection process and candidates. It seems as though the only name you would have had good feelings about is Steve Campbell. Who were your top 3 picks for this job? Since Sabin is not available who would have brought your "excitement"? I for one believe all these names brought more to the table at the Dl level than Campbell would have except from his friends which is understandable. I know, but that's just MY opinion. Ok,"he's a winner"! Nothing wrong with that concept but it carries not one iota of guarantee he could do the same at this level. I don't think he has ever won a game at Dl. I still shiver when thinking of the LSU game and how Brown called that 4th quarter and will until they lay me out but I'm still excited that this is a new beginning. If he is allowed to Bring in his people then it could really bring back the winning spirit you, I and others want. Today's attendance was an embarrassment to how far we have fallen and it was really sad for LB. He deserved better!
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