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Post by Redwaver on Nov 28, 2014 22:06:13 GMT -6
I think you need to reread my post or I need to reread yours. I THOUGHT I SUPPORTED YOU AND YOUR POINT COMPLETELY! Yes, it's my opinion that a lot of Troy grads from off main campus sites do not support Troy but some other more well known universitys. We also agree in the end of your post about on campus students as well! That's evident every home game. What on earth did I say in my comments Navarre Trojan that got you so stirred? Geez, have you gotten I to the spirit too early? It's the holidays and all is good. YES YOU DID, and, "no, I am not in the Holiday Spirit", your opinion and mine ARE very similar. My point was regarding an earlier conversation regarding an attitude that some on this board portray and that is that if you didn't go to Troy, in Troy then your really not Troy, your just Troy from Kadena, Okinawa and you don't count. That was my point, too many times a reference is made by someone or something Troy is doing, outside of Pike County, and voiced as some sort of negative. My comments were not about " YOUR" response, it was the conversation in general. Basically, people shoot their fingers off about some graduate from the "beef and broccoli" school, and it strikes a nerve with some of us that are proud graduates of Troy University yet didn't get to "Main Campus" until much later, but we got there.. When you are handed that diploma they are the same no matter where you get it and you are like any other graduate..,.exactly the SAME! You are a Trojan through and throughso the expectations should be the same as well. I understand double degrees from two places being an issue. My frustration was the result of getting a list of educators working and retired who held Troy degrees in our district and the numbers were staggering (almost 400) and many were from off main campus. I know a huge number of them and I can say in all my years I've seen two of them wear a Troy cap because I bought them for them. I've never seen a one wearing Troy outerwear and we were only able to get 9 of them to join our alumni association yet I've seen tons of them wearing Bama, Auburn, FSU and Florida stuff. I have Troy graduate friends that never miss an FSU, Auburn snd Florida games and have never attended a single Troy event. It's their right to do that and mine to be disappointed at them. My thought's on the China connection I will hold for another time and place. JMHO's!!!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 28, 2014 15:57:57 GMT -6
Pros and cons to the international students. Almost 10% of the main campus is international. Not sure how that works but I assume they pay little to nothing to attend, if true then it cuts into the budget and/or raises the costs for students. It is good what the Sorrell a College of Business is doing with the outreach to China but how does that help education, music or other majors? Like I said..pros and cons. I have no problem with any Troy Alum...main campus, branch, military etc. Their Troy degree is no different than mine. Trojans One And All. And one of the biggest Troy fans I know doesn't have any ties at all to Troy but choses to support them. If you have a Troy degree you are family, whether you are from China or Childersburgh. It's just my opinion that Troy has overdone the international student program. Jmo for what's it's worth. Well said!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 28, 2014 15:54:50 GMT -6
Troy always supports graduates no matter their place if attendance. Sadly, all off campus Troy graduates don't support their university like you do.i know of tons who got their degree from Triy but wear lol the big boys stuff. Ticks me off and I tell them that. I usually get the "Troy doesn't play big time sports" but then these fans didn't Play at all. Troy gave them the opportunity for a career do the least they could do is give back the support. I do no care for the China infatuation. If we spent those efforts on making our USA presents better I think we, as a university system, would be better but that's just my opinion. I does provide some wonderful travel adventures for some though. That is an opinion, yours. I respect that. I don't respect being "stereotypically" disrespected, intended or unintended. As for the "Big time sports" thing, I get that, say it ALL THE TIME, but mostly to ANYONE who graduated at one school and supports another, Paul Finebaum for example. That problem exists on campus as well, RIGHT NOW, and should be much more disturbing to us, than what the U. S. Serviceman/woman graduate does/doesn't do to support Troy (financially or otherwise). And that, Red wave, is MY opinion. I think you need to reread my post or I need to reread yours. I THOUGHT I SUPPORTED YOU AND YOUR POINT COMPLETELY! Yes, it's my opinion that a lot of Troy grads from off main campus sites do not support Troy but some other more well known universitys. We also agree in the end of your post about on campus students as well! That's evident every home game. What on earth did I say in my comments Navarre Trojan that got you so stirred? Geez, have you gotten I to the spirit too early? It's the holidays and all is good.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 28, 2014 11:25:29 GMT -6
Of course he is involved, but to what extent. I imagine he has the actual say so on who gets hired, maybe not the "who" but he has to approve the choice. The China reference was a joke..but seriously, not really. Not a real "funny joke" in my opinion. For those of us who went to school at Troy, but not ever stepping on campus, yet we still accepted and overwhelmingly EMBRACED OUR SCHOOL when we could, take offense to the constant baggering of Troys ability to generate students all over the world. I am so glad that I didn't meet that "attitude" when I got the chance to support my alma mater in way I always wanted to. Had I, well suffice to say my "contributions" would have been Z E R O!! That type of arrogance I hold for Alabama, Auburn, FSU, Florida (and I have a child there now) and ANY OTHER SCHOOL, PERIOD.. But, I guess I should look elsewhere, since I didn't go to Troy-MAIN...... Troy always supports graduates no matter their place of attendance. Sadly, all off campus Troy graduates don't support their university like you do. I know of tons who got their degree from Troy but wear all the big boys stuff. Ticks me off and I tell them that. I usually get the "Troy doesn't play big time sports" crap but then these fans didn't play sports at all. Troy gave them the opportunity for a career so the least they could do is give back the support. I do not care for the China infatuation. If we spent those efforts on making our USA presents better I think we, as a university system, would be better but that's just my opinion. It does provide some wonderful travel adventures for some who get that privilege though. Living in Troy should be a requirement for our next president, like it or not. The community needs to feel you respect them if you want them to respect your brand!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 28, 2014 10:47:58 GMT -6
I can't imagine Dr Hawkins playing any part in the selection process other than financial. I just wonder, as it relates to him, if we have more money for coaches salaries now why not earlier to help LB gets better assistants. Inquiring minds want to understand!:-) Seriously? Jack Hawkins is the process. Always has been always will be. Dr Hawkins may know money, education or China but I don't think he knows diddly about coaching football and I think he realizes that as well. I just believe he trust JH enough to let him and the committee make that call. He has never had to deal with any other football hire except LB. I don't know any evidence that shows he interfered in JH's other hires, do you?
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 27, 2014 16:33:56 GMT -6
I believe Wilson is JH's pick. If we get another ... then Hawkins overruled. What are you basing that on? I can't imagine Dr Hawkins playing any part in the selection process other than financial. I just wonder, as it relates to him, if we have more money for coaches salaries now why not earlier to help LB gets better assistants. Inquiring minds want to understand!:-)
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 23, 2014 15:20:58 GMT -6
Great to see a team at Troy excelling. What a difference this coach made. Can't wait to see what he does recruiting A John Hartwell hire?
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 23, 2014 10:56:31 GMT -6
Hemi, I heard the same thing. However, I would be amazed if that actually went anywhere. I like Joey and think he has done some great things and has many great years ahead of him, but a move to TROY would make no sense at all. But, maybe he wants to get away from someone and hide out in Pike County. I just haven't been impressed with him. Average and below with a bunch of transfers that no one could get. I think Clark is a good bit better. Yep!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 23, 2014 10:46:40 GMT -6
Bill Clark has a better chance than Houston Nutt - bet on that! Don't be surprise. Troy townies still talk about when Drifters drive limo onto field, get out and sing one song at half time and leave. They also fall for Houston McNutt snake all sales pitch. BRING BACK BRICK!!!! Wow, I got overwhelmed by Auburn folks at church saying all they are hearing about Troy at Auburn is its down to two, Nutt and Chizik ( Sp ?)! If that is accurate, I'm a little surprised. Is there better info out there?
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 21, 2014 10:08:47 GMT -6
Apparently no one caught my joke I caught it. It made good fun of those who allege they know something. The real insiders on here have enough integrity not to reveal things they should not and don't even let on that they know the real scoop. The rest are mere pretenders.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 21, 2014 9:22:25 GMT -6
You can rest assured if Alabama had any say in the Troy baseball program it would have been eliminated after the 2013 season. AMEN, that's the year the TIDE WENT OUT at FSU! I sure enjoyed yelling S-E-C as loud as I could over in the Alabama section!!!!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 21, 2014 8:52:14 GMT -6
Oh darn, I must be slippin' HA! Agreeing and disagreeing with class is what this site is about, or should be. Some of my best friends from my Troy reunions both class and athletics are here and we don't always agree. No big deal! We just share thoughts, ask questions, prevoke thought and respect each other's response then wait for the REAL problem solvers to do their THANG! That game with LSU almost sent me to the funny farm that day. I was yelling at the computer phrases I can't repeat today but it included "what the h--- are you thinking", etc., etc.! I have gone back and looked at the box score for that game (several times over the years) and it is painful to see the 3 and outs in the second half (mostly 4th quarter) that only ran a few seconds off the clock. Beginning after our first possession of the 2nd half where we scored to take a 31-3 lead here are the next six possessions by our Trojans: 3 plays, 7 yards, TOP - 1:38 (This possession began with just over 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter) 3 plays, 1 yard, TOP - 1:02 4 plays, 9 yards, TOP - 0:56 3 plays, 4 yards, TOP - 0:58 3 plays, 0 yards, TOP - 0:28 4 plays, -4 yards, TOP - 1:10 My friends that is 6 consecutive possessions with 20 plays (15 passes with only 2 completions), 5 runs; 17 total yards (2 yards passing, 15 yards rushing); 3 punts; 1 INT; 2 turnovers on downs; with a total TOP of 6:12. I still have trouble comprehending how we lost that game. If NB is the new coach at TROY, I sure hope he learned his lessons from this game. We didn't milk the clock and forced our defense that was getting worn down to be on the field way, way too much with almost no rest between possessions. I think we could have taken a knee on 3 plays (or run a toss sweep, dive play, or delayed draw), run the play clock down to 1-2 seconds before each snap, then punted on those possessions and been able to win that game based on being able to run about 2:30 off the clock (assuming we didn't get a single first down). I remember leaving that game and driving to my hotel with my family and just saying, "I don't know what just happened. How do you lose a game when you have a 28 point lead midway through the 3rd quarter. It's impossible- the other team doesn't have enough clock left to score that many times." It is still hard to fathom that loss. It bothers me more than any other game. Oh well, back to the rumors on who the next coach will be. AAAAHHHHHHHHHH! :-( You have awaken nightmares! Think I will call my therapist for a rehab visit! "STOP THROWING THE D--- BALL, USE UP THE CLOCK" yep, yelled it over and over. That's when I realized that computers didn't have ears!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 21, 2014 8:44:38 GMT -6
I suspect that that's just his opinion! He can forget them ever competing with UA and Burn! Not going to happen! Their problem is they are the step child of a university's athletic program that would pull the plug on every in state program if it would help them! UA's athletic philosophy and many of their fans despise the existence of any other Alabama University or college participating in athletics who "recruit against us"! It's no surprise they are trying to terminate UAB, they control them but they can't control the others. Don't know how much is enough in the eyes of some at UA!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 21, 2014 7:21:22 GMT -6
ONLY IF he signs a contract swearing if he EVER gets a huge lead against a top level opponent in the 4th quarter again he will STOP throwing and start controlling the clock. If he says no, send him packin'! Can't ever get over that game. The dumbest 4th quarter ever coached in my humble opinion! My Gosh, we actually AGREE!!! Not a negative hindsight my friend just a reality in the rear-view!! Oh darn, I must be slippin' HA! Agreeing and disagreeing with class is what this site is about, or should be. Some of my best friends from my Troy reunions both class and athletics are here and we don't always agree. No big deal! We just share thoughts, ask questions, prevoke thought and respect each other's response then wait for the REAL problem solvers to do their THANG! That game with LSU almost sent me to the funny farm that day. I was yelling at the computer phrases I can't repeat today but it included "what the h--- are you thinking", etc., etc.!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 20, 2014 19:41:06 GMT -6
I don't think its Dooley... The more I think about Neal brown the more I like it Neal would be my choice. ONLY IF he signs a contract swearing if he EVER gets a huge lead against a top level opponent in the 4th quarter again he will STOP throwing and start controlling the clock. If he says no, send him packin'! Can't ever get over that game. The dumbest 4th quarter ever coached in my humble opinion!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 20, 2014 19:29:52 GMT -6
How will you ever know if no one ever hired him? Every head coach at one time or another had NO head coaching experience. Steve Cpbell has never coached against the BIG BOYS so everyone has a background. Just sayin'! Why has no one hired him? I stay confused trying to follow your logic here. You would hire Steve Campbell tomorrow but you say this guy "Brick" Haley with all his top level experience doesn't qualified to be Troys head coach. Leaves me scratching my head. It's as though you feel NO ONE can/should be Troys coach unless they've been a head coach even if it's at lower levels but you stop at a high school HEAD COACH. Why? Calling plays is only a small part of being a head coach and in some systems VERY small part. Every successful head coach was at one time or another was an assistant or coordinator. We're they not ready? Someone hired them. What does a asst. or coordinator have to do for you to believe they deserve a promotion, opportunity. LB was not a head coach when he came here and he's done pretty good. Oh, he was a HS head coach but that doesn't count. I just try to follow the flow of thinking about the search here but yours seems to be against everyone mentioned for a set of opinions you hold yet Campbell you find perfectly acceptable simply because he is a "winner"! Wasn't "Muschump" a "winner"? How about Taggett (USF coach) that you spoke highly of last year? Wasn't he a "winner" at WKU. The right guy can be anywhere. Just let JH do his job then time will tell if it was right BUT NOT TO BE JUDGED HARDHLY AFTER ONE YEAR! Only one man I know performs miracles but we can hope!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 20, 2014 13:10:41 GMT -6
This would be a huge, huge gamble. Never been a HC, not even a coordinator. He is a good asst. Coach but not sure if he is Hc material. How will you ever know if no one ever hired him? Every head coach at one time or another had NO head coaching experience. Steve Cpbell has never coached against the BIG BOYS so everyone has a background. Just sayin'!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 19, 2014 12:36:51 GMT -6
Wasn't freeze a assistant under Roberts at Arkansas state? That seemed to work out just fine. Freeze was a very succesful HS coach and had been a HC at a NAIA school, so he had HC experience. If it sound to not hire any coach who doesn't have "head coach" experience and I would assume that you agree that every school has the right to that concept then how on earth do head coaches ever become head coaches if schools with head coach vacancies can't hire anyone who has never been a head coach? If becoming a head coach requires being a head coach then you will never have head coaches because they must start somwehe!WHEW!!! Ok, I get it, hire a head coach from a lower division......could that be Campbell? Now Turk has been a head coach but his situation with recruiting, etc. Is completely different and he has no experience in that area so why is that not as important as play calling (which MANY) head coaches don't do. He's never competed as coach against quality competition equal to our schedule and there are other experiences in sure he doesn't have equal to our needs so why are these inexperienced overlooked but other candidates who you don't prefers inexperiences are not?could a fired SEC coordinator be successful as head coach at Huntingfon? Probably. I like Turk, nice guy and probably a good coach but I dont see how you are so strict on one element yet don't hold Turk to the same questions. Just wonderin' cause I'm sittinr' in the deer woods and haven't seen nary a hair and I'm bored!:-) us old guys like to stir the pot! HEE HEE hee!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 19, 2014 11:01:51 GMT -6
If Neal is hired, can he schedule a rematch with LSU that only lasts 3 quarters? This! God, that was painful. Made even more painful by the fact that both my sister and her husband are LSU alumni. 6a46f7e4 It's the one game I've never been able to get over because it was SO DARN DUMB the way we lost it. It's was my first experience of screaming at my computer. In leaving hiring up to the man paid to do it but Lordy that guy and thst game is tough to overlook.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 17, 2014 22:00:19 GMT -6
We also have a very good player injured and not playing - everyone quit being so quick to write these guys off as a disaster. Not sure if any of you have met Persons, Jr. but the kid has a huge smile on his face all the time and he will make all the guys around him better. He loves the game and plays with passion. I promise Coach C is trying his best to build a winning attitude which turns into a winning team. You'll find that guys on here don't generally have a sunny disposition... Person is going to be a REALLY good one but he sure needs help. Short guys can't go to the basket on 6'9" guys. We seemed lost against press but when Person got hot he was fun to watch. Some of our 3 pointers were from 4' beyond the line. That's tough! If you're hitting then great but those shots have VERY low success rates. Ole Miss had two outstanding shooters.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 17, 2014 17:11:02 GMT -6
I can see what Troy is wanting to do with the next HC and there seems to be only "one" criteria and Clark and almost all the rest don't fit it. Share your insight!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 16, 2014 6:59:52 GMT -6
I'm glad I never worked for you but then IF your timeline was applied to YOU on YOUR job I bet you would expect more patience and I bet you have less years in than Larry but im guessing! Ha ha ha! It's just all in fun anyway. With our opinions and $30.00 you can get inside info at Sisters any Sunday!:-) I was speaking from an AD type position. I am not an AD. From a business perspective (business owner, which I am) 1 losing season/non profitable year would be it or sooner. I could care less how long someone worked for me. [br But the point was how would YOU feel if YOU were the guy getting fired under your timelines, not as the guy doing the firing. If you had an employee who had given you 20 years of great work and dedication to YOUR BUSINESS and suddenly he had one or two years (your timeline) of poor results you fire him? Really?
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 15, 2014 17:51:56 GMT -6
Hope your right. We find out in 2015. Hey, I want us winning. My daughter has two Years left and I want her to experience a bowl game with the band before she leaves. Hoping for the best and that we hit it out of the park. Fair enough? Go Troy Now there you are! I agree 100%! Let's hope we hit a home run. To me there are s lot of factors needed but the ability to recruit is at the top. Then the ability to get everything those recruits have. That includes skills techniques, commitments and discipline. I think what happens at the assistant level could be as important as the head guy and we have no idea what's happening yhere.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 15, 2014 15:40:55 GMT -6
DICLAIMER: I am a TROJAN. This post is not meant to denigrate our coaches, players, school or program, but honesty compels me to be realistic as i assess our coaching search. We play in the Sunbelt Conference, not the SEC. We don't play against SEC caliber coaches or talent. As much anger as this will cause some, we don't play against ACC level talent or Big 12 level talent, we don't even play against AAC level talent. Sure, some of the guys playing in the Sunbelt will be be quality NFL players and could have played at the best school in one of the Power 5 conferences. Some of the Sunbelt coaches will be highly successful at an SEC school (see Hugh Freeze, Gus Malzahn). However, overall, top to bottom, the talent level in our conference is among the lowest in BCS football. i may be the only one who feels this way and I may be nuts, but here goes. If there is anywhere in the country a coach without HC experience can be successful, it's in our conference, at our school. We need a coach who can light a fire under a group of guys who have none. We need a coach who can make our guys play like they have something to prove. After all, nobody but little ole TROY (sarcasm) thinks they can play. We need a coach who wants to win and has a plan for doing so. If that man has HC experience, great, hire him. If not, I DON'T CARE. Hire the best man and make him accountable for results. That's fair!
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 15, 2014 15:38:13 GMT -6
Well, my question was, "which year would YOU have fired Larry" were you the AD? After his first losing season? Second? Which? 2013 at the latest. 2012 most likely. I'm glad I never worked for you but then IF your timeline was applied to YOU on YOUR job I bet you would expect more patience and I bet you have less years in than Larry but im guessing! Ha ha ha! It's just all in fun anyway. With our opinions and $30.00 you can get inside info at Sisters any Sunday!:-)
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