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Post by doc71 on Nov 30, 2014 17:31:44 GMT -6
Hopefully not in the same positions....... Said responbilities werent determined right now but having worked with them previously wanted to keep them. I feel that Neal will be the play caller The key is they have worked together previously! Brown respects these guys! As I recall, Brown as OC liked to be on the field (and of course will have to be now), and Kenny worked in the box. Many coaches contribute to putting together a game plan. Most calls are determined ... "if/thens" ... down, distance, field position, etc. And the "checks" ... determined by coverage, etc. Again, check the numbers ... over the last number of years, Offense has not been the issue!!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 30, 2014 16:19:28 GMT -6
It is too bad. UAB is good natural rival, etc. Also, with an on-campus stadium, and the amenities of B'ham and the campus, etc. ... could've been a power. Oh ... wait ... I think that was the problem!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 30, 2014 12:42:41 GMT -6
Glad to see your post. I was about to ask the same questions. Will getting the numbers up to around 175K get the appropriate staff? Also, what $$$ would be needed for the new coach to bring his staff from Kentucky? Would think the only possible way to entice Schlarman would be by making him OC. Even then, it would be big pay cut ... And he's a Uk guy. But, we can wish! Watched many o-line coaches work though the years, at all levels of D1. John is without doubt one of best in business!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 30, 2014 12:05:10 GMT -6
I'm on board. Interested to see if anybody from the current staff is retained? Anybody have any ideas. Beckles is the only one that comes to my mind. SW, in an administrative roll, would be my guess along with beckles. KE, if he would, could be an awesome position coach - recievers. He might choose to if offered because of family. I think the financial realities will mean some of the coaches will need to be retained. (we can't match what SEC assistants make ... Schlarman, Scott, etc). Would LOVE Schlarman to return!!! (any big $$ folks what to sign him to a "personal services" contract?? ) I would expect some of the younger assistants to be offered to stay. I also hope KE is given the opportunity to stay and that he does stay. Yes, he's a friend and former teammate, but I also believe if you look at the numbers over the last decade or so (here and at NAL) ... Kenny is a quality coach!!! Sure, the offense struggled this year, but look at the results over the last several years. Even when we were a bad "team" ... the offense was rarely the problem. Still, it's a results business ... the the results were bad this year (for many reasons). Whether he stays or goes, I think he's earned some respect. He helped us get a ring in 87 ... and he's done, on the whole, and excellent job as a coach for Troy! I can tell you that he's well thought of in coaching circles, so he'll have opportunities to continue as OC somewhere. But, I think it'd be great if he stays. If Brown is the HC, he'll be defacto OC. But, think back a few years ... the results of Brown and Kenny working together were very good!! No offense to the weight staff ... but I think there's need for change. Just looking at our guys ... we don't look as strong/fit as other teams. And, these are the guys players spend most of their time with. So, if changes need to be made ... attitude/discipline, etc, maybe that's where it takes place.
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Post by doc71 on Nov 29, 2014 16:56:02 GMT -6
Underwhelming. But hope he's successful. I agree. Didn't think any of the names were exciting but if he's the coach I hope he brings success and if he doesn't bring discipline in this will blow up in his face Maybe he'd split the 700k with Schlarman and bring him too!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 29, 2014 16:29:22 GMT -6
Underwhelming. But hope he's successful.
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Post by doc71 on Nov 28, 2014 15:10:31 GMT -6
If Troy has a chance on a proven winner in Clark and chose to go with a unproven coach, I hope it works out and we don't look back and go ..ooofff!! Again, I"m sure Clark is a good Coach. But Proven? Proven usually means over years!! He's a proven HS coach, for sure. But, he 11-4 JSU. Lost to powerhouses Murray State, TN St., etc. Took 2 ot to beat DII N AL (I think it'd had been years since JSU hadn't had winning season ... Jack Crowe won championships in the OVC, should we call him up?) And, he's won 5 games at UAB. This record does not make someone a "proven" college coach. Potential, yes. If he comes to Troy would he win ... maybe (and I would hope so if he's our Coach!). But it's not as though the Bear has come back in the form of Bill Clark! He's no "slam dunk" ... just like no coach is. The value of a hire isn't determined on the announcement podium ... it'll be a few years down the road.
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Post by doc71 on Nov 28, 2014 13:56:10 GMT -6
Me + 4
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Post by doc71 on Nov 28, 2014 11:49:04 GMT -6
Pros and cons to the international students. Almost 10% of the main campus is international. Not sure how that works but I assume they pay little to nothing to attend, if true then it cuts into the budget and/or raises the costs for students. It is good what the Sorrell a College of Business is doing with the outreach to China but how does that help education, music or other majors? Like I said..pros and cons. I have no problem with any Troy Alum...main campus, branch, military etc. Their Troy degree is no different than mine. Trojans One And All. And one of the biggest Troy fans I know doesn't have any ties at all to Troy but choses to support them. If you have a Troy degree you are family, whether you are from China or Childersburgh. It's just my opinion that Troy has overdone the international student program. Jmo for what's it's worth. Agree ... Trojans One and All!! Note on International students ... They pay out of state Tuition!!! Even if they're part of some grant/exchange program ... Tuition and Fees are paid!! Also, most are On campus ... so good for housing/dining, etc. So, they're a great source of revenue for any college. (that's why many colleges/universities have full-time recruiters who do nothing but recruit International students!) And, of course, we live in the 21st century ... Global economy, society, etc. Most international students choose US schools based on "word of mouth" ... so be kind to an international student if you have a chance ... of course, it's just good to be kind ... but also, it's good for Recruiting!!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 28, 2014 10:48:33 GMT -6
I get the feeling some names are being floated around to distract attention from other names. I agree with you Sir! I think we might just be Surprised what happens over the next few days!!??
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Post by doc71 on Nov 28, 2014 10:46:23 GMT -6
Little Jimmy Hartwell on the verge of missing a huge opportunity. Bright shiny objects are too distracting for LJH and Dear Leader. What might that opportunity be, and how many FBS coaches have you hired? Well, I think I've hired the same number of FBS coaches that JH has hired ... 0! So, this is a new experience for him and for Dr. Hawkins. The last hire at Troy was a DII coach! Thankfully, LB was able to transition to become successful FBS coach as well! I like and respect JH. And, of course he knows more of the "business" of sports than I do! Think the world of Dr. Hawkins. (could certainly argue he's done more for Troy U than any one man in our history!!) So, we can sit back and hope they pick the "right" person! And that Coach picks the "right" staff, etc. Of course, we'll know if the choices were good choices in a few years!! Merry Christmas!! (too soon?
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Post by doc71 on Nov 28, 2014 10:30:31 GMT -6
Clark is more qualified than the RB coach at LSU or Texas, that much is certain. As I've mentioned before, technically every coach we've mentioned on here is "qualified" ... I don't think we posted this position with certain "required" qualifications. If they're a coach and showed interest ... then they were in the Pool. But, I do believe that JH and and Comm stated that the #1 preferred qualification is experience recruiting DI talent. Also, fit, etc. So, given that "preference" ... Wilson and/or Robinson are much more "qualified" than Clark (a highly successful High School Coach ... who I'm sure recruited well at Prattville, but that doesn't count! If, however they put "preference" on experience coordinating and/or running a program and being a "winner", then yes, Clark would be a bit more "qualified"! But, that was not the priority set by JH and/or the comm. (Of course, Campbell's record makes Clark look bush league!!) I have concerns about who JH will be standing next to on the podium Sunday, Monday, or whenever. Again, I believe Wilson is JH's #1 ... not real excited about the prospect. But, I'll support whomever ... I support TROY!!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 28, 2014 8:00:38 GMT -6
The assistants look like great ideas and Clark as a DC would be good. But he's basically a proven High School coach!!! He was a controversial hire here at JSU because he had so little College experience ... he even said that when he was introduced, that they had "taken a chance" on him. He did win at JSU (weak conference) ... by bringing in several SEC guys. (even still John Grass has had better season with the same players!!) I know several profs at JSU who works with athletics ... many of the guys Clark brought in didn't meet academic standards (retiring AD and Pres allowed it). Now, they say JSU will be hit hard by the graduation rate deal. He's won some at UAB .. with Garrick's players. (I didn't make this year's game, but the last few years, UAB Looked much better than us on paper and with the eyeball test). So, yes, he's done OK at UAB this season. I have now doubt Clark is a good coach ... but he has almost no DI College experience! He's only recruited to USA? I would much rather "take a chance" on someone with proven DI credentials. Or, if we're looking at hiring a sitting Head Coach, Steve Campbell is overwhelmingly more qualified than Clark ... and is a Troy guy!! If you you say all Clark does is win ... man, compare his record to Campbell's!!! Before Steve got to Delta or MGCCC, neither school had won for years!!! He built winners there!! So again, nothing against Clark ... but not as our Head Coach right now. DC, certainly we could give him a look there. ucasports.com/custompages/campbell%20graphic%20II.jpg
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Post by doc71 on Nov 28, 2014 3:07:25 GMT -6
players, yes. Coach, no.
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Post by doc71 on Nov 27, 2014 17:21:04 GMT -6
We all know that Troy has been blessed with some great coaches and men of character over the years. Well, we lost one of the best today. Coach J was truly a great man! He helped change my life!! He will be greatly missed!! Attachments:
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Post by doc71 on Nov 27, 2014 15:55:49 GMT -6
I believe Wilson is JH's pick. If we get another ... then Hawkins overruled.
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Post by doc71 on Nov 27, 2014 7:28:35 GMT -6
Have to agree with Possum ... not a big IPA fan! That might be a deal breaker!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 26, 2014 11:19:48 GMT -6
Hall of Fame class just announced!! Congrats to Bootsy Thomas! Great player and leader! Proud to have been a teammate!!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 26, 2014 10:03:25 GMT -6
I believe he's about 68? If we're looking for Retired coach ... Chan and Rick both looked good that last time I saw them!! All kidding aside ... they really did look good ... with energetic young assistants (recruiting coordinator, etc) ... they could do it!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 25, 2014 19:19:14 GMT -6
That's the target day for new coach to be announced!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 23, 2014 21:21:03 GMT -6
Amen Brother!!!!!!
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New Source
Nov 23, 2014 14:00:44 GMT -6
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Post by doc71 on Nov 23, 2014 14:00:44 GMT -6
My understanding is neither of the "retreads" are in the mix.
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Post by doc71 on Nov 23, 2014 9:35:29 GMT -6
Yes, agents play big role in this process. Most initial contact is via agent ...especially if ur dealing with sitting head coach. Also, the agents have multiple clients. And in our search, there are agents with multiple clients who've been mentioned here ...but the agent can pick and choose which client they'll push for a job. An AD can go around the agent, but then u have to clear it with the coach's AD ... Prolongs the process, and the coach may not want that. No doubt several of the 100 or so coacbes that "expressed interest" were just looking for raises!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 22, 2014 17:46:19 GMT -6
That would be a great way for LB to go out!!! BTW ... maybe our new coach can lure the GA Southern OC!! I love watching them execute/run that ball!!!
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Post by doc71 on Nov 22, 2014 9:59:52 GMT -6
We have a long way to go to be "a slightly below average" defense! Regardless of what side of the ball the HC is from ... we need PLAYERS! Recruiting is key! (it only took me 10-12 years of coaching to realize that I'm a lot better coach with good players!! Along with the good players ... discipline and attitude ... toughness and chemistry, etc. It's a restart/change in "Culture" ... work ethic .. mindset. I'm sure Brick would understand that we have to score points!! Any coach will need to recruit excellent/hungry assistant coaches and coordinators!!
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