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Post by trojan2003 on May 24, 2022 4:53:02 GMT -6
Yes, even schools like Bama and UGA have some NIL problems but other schools like Arkansas and Tennessee are now pretty competitive. Arkansas currently has the #2 ranked Basketball recruiting class in the nation because of NIL and Tennessee just landed a 5-star QB out of CA (they are paying $8m and it’s not even a rumor, it’s official) and they recently landed a highly ranked 5-star Basketball commit ($2m NIL deal). Miami, USC, Oregon, Texas, and TAMU are even more aggressive… while Auburn, LSU, Florida, Ole Miss, Fla St, etc won’t be able to compete for top P5 5-star transfers so they will sign other players, including top G5 players…
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Post by trojan2003 on May 20, 2022 21:41:01 GMT -6
What about $ then?
According to an academic study (Borghesi, 2017):
On avg, 5-star players generate $2.5m per season ($1.2 revenues + $1.3m in donations), 4-star players generate $0.8m total revenue per season while 3-star players generate $0.1m on avg per season.
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Post by trojan2003 on May 20, 2022 9:48:42 GMT -6
At some point there will have to be an NIL Collective for Troy Athletics. Don't know who will do it and where it will come from but it will exist. At that point, we the fans, donors, boosters, advertisers, etc. will have to make a decision on where our funds go. I've done a lot of research regarding these collectives and they all seem to have their ducks in a row. The good news is, it seems there are only a handful of G5 schools who have them, so we are not that far behind. In the near future of college athletics there will be a shift from facilities, lockers with TV's, playstation lounges, barber shops, smoothie bars, to cash in hand. No more showing off what we have... here's how much money you can make. The collectives who choose to go the route of a non-profit allow you the donor to make a donation that benefits you from a tax standpoint while allowing a pool of cash for the players. The question is, can we contribute to both sides... the collective and the athletic department? If you want to have winning programs, that answer has to be yes. We don't have people that throw around hundreds of thousands of dollars like a lot of programs, but we have people who can give something. Y'all go ahead and start budgeting so that we can get all of our programs on the right track. Tell your kids, they will get a card showing a donation in their name vs. an actual toy for Christmas. Facilities are must-have basics (Auburn, Florida, FSU, etc are currently building brand new $100m facilities - and TAMU and Oregon have major upgrade plans - they are planning to build entire Athletic campuses (not just facilities)) - NIL is just another incentive because players want both nice facilities + NIL deals. NIL could be a game changer for some programs (USC, Oregon, Miami, TAMU, Texas) while other programs such as Bama and UGA won’t be able to compete with Nike$, oil-money, etc. This is the reason why Saban is so concerned now. Most mid-majors will eventually become farm-teams, however. They will struggle to keep their best players because P5 programs will just poach them by offering NIL deals. However, some mid majors might be able to use NIL collectives as a defensive mechanism offering NIL + playing time. Even programs like Auburn and LSU had to use NIL as a defensive instrument to keep their star players happy, Tank Bigsby (approached by UGA) and Boutte (approached by Bama)… Olympic sports (incl Basketball) could massively benefit from NIL btw. Many top athletes now choose NCAA over professional careers and G league, etc. Auburn’s Suni Lee is rumored to have $4m in NIL deals and a major Gatorade NIL deal in the works. It’s all based on individual star power + # of social media followers (Crimson Tide Athletics has 1m IG followers while the Olympic gold medalist has 1.6m IG + 1.7m TikTok followers, globally). Arch Manning could make $10m with NIL next year. This is a bit different from NIL collectives because superstars can get their own NIL deals - while collectives are strategic tools indirectly utilized by athletic programs. It’s a crazy new world.
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Post by trojan2003 on May 20, 2022 9:31:52 GMT -6
For every 4 star QB that pans out and starts and WINS for a FBS team there are a lot more 4 star QB that flame out or never even see the field in the FBS. I say that to say that I never get (too) excited about all the recruiting rankings. You got to see it on the field. But also, is this cat worth the risk, scholarship and chance ? Absolutely ! I hope we truly balls out and wins championships. Let’s wait and see. Remember, the best or one of the best LB, players and humans Troy has or will ever have was an invited walk-on. Ole #2 and we get to witness his heart and play for one more season. Known this kid since high school, he is the real deal. People always remember that walk-on story who made it to the league, because it’s a feel-good story. However, statistically 5-stars and 4-stars are much more likely to get drafted. There is a reason why UGA had 5 first round draft picks this year.
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Post by trojan2003 on May 16, 2022 21:18:36 GMT -6
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Post by trojan2003 on May 9, 2022 11:37:25 GMT -6
IMO funding would be a problem unless Troy keeps specializing in certain areas such as plastics research, etc… Auburn already owns the market in this region…I think the Engineering department is the 8th (?) largest in the nation and is nationally ranked (Top 30 Undergraduate and Top 40 Graduate, Top 30 Research, Aerospace Engineering: #45). They have a long history and bigtime donors (including famous alumnus Tim Cook). They also maintain excellent relationships with the industry and NASA…etc. Auburn started somewhere though. Troy could offer less expensive degrees than the big schools, just like every other school in the state does not named UA or Auburn. Yes, in specific niche areas but it seems like the Aerospace market is already covered. I am not saying this is something that should be completely ignored. Auburn had record numbers of applicants this year (+155% compared to 2020, AU joined the common app + Suni Lee factor) and they had to reject tons of qualified applicants - this could be generally a chance for Troy. AU and mostly UAT attract many out-of-state students. UAT is very active recruiting in the New England region and AU attracts many kids from Texas, Atlanta area and international students. Troy is the true "University of Alabama" when it comes to represented counties in AL: www.al.com/news/2021/10/where-do-alabama-students-go-to-college-see-the-most-popular-choice-by-county.html Also, there is not much of a difference regarding in-state tuition when comparing TU and AU / UA. AU and UA are just extremely expensive for out-of-state students: TROY, 2019-20 In-state tuition 8,908 USD, Out-of-state tuition 16,708 USD AUBURN, 2019-20 In-state tuition 11,796 USD, Out-of-state tuition 31,956 USD ALABAMA, 2019-20 In-state tuition 11,620 USD, Out-of-state tuition 31,090 USD UAB, 2019-20 In-state tuition 8,568 USD, Out-of-state tuition 20,400 USD
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Post by trojan2003 on May 8, 2022 20:35:30 GMT -6
It also seems like there is a big missed opportunity right now academically (and has been for a while), to partner with Lockheed-Martin/Sikorsky and develop a research/engineering degree program where students can learn and research missile/fire control technology, aviation electronics, missile electro-optics, aerospace technology, etc. Troy has partnered with KW Plastics with the plastics research that began a few years ago. A natural next step would be to partner with Lockheed. IMO funding would be a problem unless Troy keeps specializing in certain areas such as plastics research, etc… Auburn already owns the market in this region…I think the Engineering department is the 8th (?) largest in the nation and is nationally ranked (Top 30 Undergraduate and Top 40 Graduate, Top 30 Research, Aerospace Engineering: #45). They have a long history and bigtime donors (including famous alumnus Tim Cook). They also maintain excellent relationships with the industry and NASA…etc.
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Post by trojan2003 on Mar 25, 2022 21:04:08 GMT -6
Troy’s football program has been around longer than UAB’s and USA’s, yet they both have indoor football practice facilities. How is that affordable? This is on HCJS’s wishlist. Does anyone know how close Troy is from getting their own? It's really expensive (Pre-Covid: Probably $15M for a standard IPF) while UAB and USA "indoor facilities" might cost around $5M (Pre-Covid). Auburn's brand new Football Performance Center including IPF will cost almost $100M (not sure how much the IPF will cost since it will be connected to the facility, maybe $20-25M). The UAB solution is interesting and we should look into it:
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 21, 2021 5:40:47 GMT -6
Who would you have hired? A good proven OC with a track record of success. Troy could never afford a proven OC like this. It’s basically OC/HC or DC/HC package. We went with the latter choice, so now we will have to experiment on offense. That’s why I normally prefer the OC/HC deal, it’s more suitable for G5 schools.
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 20, 2021 6:24:51 GMT -6
Oregon??? Bo Nix and Oregon... just don't mix. That kid is a straight up Bama boy, who grew up an Auburn fan, and smack in the middle of Southern culture. I'd be surprised if this works out for him. Former Auburn OC is now Oregon’s OC. That’s probably the main reason why he decided to transfer to Oregon. In the end, it’s always about relationships.
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 19, 2021 19:28:34 GMT -6
Bo Nix to Oregon is official I don’t think we were ever in mix. Kind of funny he winds up at a team he beat in the last few seconds when he was a freshman The 2022 (week1) Oregon vs UGA game (in Atlanta) should be intersting.
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 19, 2021 18:37:25 GMT -6
Bo Nix to Oregon is official
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 13, 2021 1:05:28 GMT -6
Bo to UCF and Cinci rumors. However, there is still the Pat Nix (OC) rumor.
Bo is a great QB. He was the main reason why Auburn beat LSU, Arkansas, and Ole Miss this year. Auburn fans just don’t want to acknowledge it.
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 10, 2021 19:33:22 GMT -6
Even though it’s a dead horse we do need: A kick off cheer A song A noise maker (I thought keys my be pretty cool bc they can’t stop you from bringing them in the stadium and a keychain full of keys would make a lot of noise… rattled or syncopated rhythmic slash motion like a sword) Etc to unify the fan base I like singing the alma mater after the national anthem. I like seeing the invisible swords raised (would be cool to have something we could actually raise) In regards to a “kick off cheer” or a battle cry akin to the “roll tide” and “war eagle”, I’ve been thinking a lot lately about the saying “For Troy!” When you think of Trojan soldiers rushing into battle, they’re doing it “For Troy!” Our love as fans is “For Troy!” To me it’s an easy way to vocally share who our allegiance is too. But as someone said, it would take a concentrated effort and marketing campaign by athletics, the university, and the SGA to get something like that to stick and it become a normal part of our vocabulary. In the same way Hartwell used “It’s T time” to market the Power T to transition us all to move to it as our primary logo over the shield and swords. So if we all have ideas, they should be emailed to the AD. Because in the end it’s going to start with him. I proposed “For Troy” a few years ago but it wasn’t popular around here… (1:00 minute mark) I think something similar to “Fight On” would be best… - ”March On”?
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 9, 2021 18:48:20 GMT -6
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 9, 2021 15:39:20 GMT -6
Facilities are just basic, “must-haves” these days. For instance, Auburn is currently building its new fancy $95M FB Performance Center (incl. new IPF) and recruits hardly even mention it in interviews. It’s expected but not a real difference maker anymore. NIL is the new difference maker. Many P5 teams are currently creating new platforms and channeling serious $$ to players. It’s already happening in the SEC, Texas, etc. I am not sure how G5 programs can compete here, however, those G5 programs who manage to find a way will have a major advantage in recruiting vs other G5 and even some P5 schools. Mixed emotions on NIL. I understand that some players bring in money for schools and that college football is big business but there is going to be a huge gap between P5 upper teams and G5 and even bigger gap between FBS abd FCS, D2 and D3. The biggest one is going to be between players and reg students. Take UF. I would say 99.9% of the football team could not get into Florida as a general student. Now on top of a free education a stipend they are now making $$$$. While the general student who had to have a 4.0 and about a 1200 SAT to get accepted out of HS graduates with student loan debt Auburn, Florida St and some other programs are now launching new platforms where you can subscribe to their athletes. You basically subscribe to a sports, position group, or individual player. You pay a monthly fee of $25-$1,000 and receive autographs, fan packages, phone calls, etc in exchange. (Troy should copy this model). Some other schools have first-mover advantages: Arkansas already has completed 300 NIL deals. UVA and NC State signed lots of Olympic swimmers this year. NC State just landed the #1 PG in the nation. Texas just announced they have a NIL fund which will guarantee $50,000/year to each OL on their roster. Washington’s new independent NIL agency is backed by Amazon, Microsoft, Costco, and Alaska Airlines.
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 7, 2021 20:35:41 GMT -6
Facilities are just basic, “must-haves” these days. For instance, Auburn is currently building its new fancy $95M FB Performance Center (incl. new IPF) and recruits hardly even mention it in interviews. It’s expected but not a real difference maker anymore.
NIL is the new difference maker. Many P5 teams are currently creating new platforms and channeling serious $$ to players. It’s already happening in the SEC, Texas, etc. I am not sure how G5 programs can compete here, however, those G5 programs who manage to find a way will have a major advantage in recruiting vs other G5 and even some P5 schools.
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 4, 2021 20:40:39 GMT -6
The more and more I hear HCJS talk the more I like him. To the point I feel stupid for not wanting him three years ago. He has more SEC experience now which is crucial.
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 2, 2021 21:08:08 GMT -6
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 2, 2021 19:41:56 GMT -6
Since I couldn't make a poll embedded onto this thread, I made an online poll to see where most on here stand. Of the 3 finalists that we now know of, who do you want as the next head coach at Troy? You can see the results after voting.
CLICK HERE FOR POLLLesley
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 2, 2021 18:54:26 GMT -6
Apparently he turned down the job and we are countering. He turned down our first offer? Or just isn’t really interested in the job at all? I don’t know how these negotiations work…
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 2, 2021 18:46:25 GMT -6
Sumrall is obviously interested if he’s interviewed and traveled down. Pay the man what he wants. The fan base overwhelmingly want him, respects him, and will pay to see his team play. The hire will pay for itself over time. Apparently he turned down the job and we are countering.
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 2, 2021 18:18:04 GMT -6
Kelly & Nix rumor is really strong + rumor that Troy is still somehow trying to hire Sumrall
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 1, 2021 23:57:35 GMT -6
Candidates are Sumrall, Charles Kelly, Tommy Robinson and Kevin Steele. Nix is not a leading candidate but there was some consideration.
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Post by trojan2003 on Dec 1, 2021 23:44:20 GMT -6
McGee might be an ULL candidate (some speculation on other boards)
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