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Post by Possum on Sept 10, 2014 22:05:46 GMT -6
Not no, but heck no...
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Post by jonesoxygen on Sept 11, 2014 7:13:22 GMT -6
Rhett Lashlee the OC at Auburn would be a great hire, He would bring a dynamic offense that would give us a chance to win in his first year Not just a Troy grad, she is from Troy. I'm sticking with Coach Clark or Duwan Walker his D.C. who played at Troy in the 90's
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Post by Troystet on Sept 11, 2014 7:20:23 GMT -6
Rhett Lashlee the OC at Auburn would be a great hire, He would bring a dynamic offense that would give us a chance to win in his first year Not just a Troy grad, she is from Troy. I'm sticking with Coach Clark or Duwan Walker his D.C. who played at Troy in the 90's She??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 8:11:04 GMT -6
Here's my wish list for the immediate future of Troy football. I guess I'm just as entitled to ramble here as anyone, so skip on to the next post if you don't want my humble opinion.
I think more than a head coaching problem we have a coaching problem. On one hand I think we have two excellent position coaches. I hope we can keep them both here as long as they want to stay. I hope we can come up with the money to make them want to invest in Troy and not a "big" school. On the other side of that we have people on our staff (again, in my opinion) who would be lucky to be a backup GA at a "big" school. I believe it's a money issue all around. We get some good deals on coaches from time to time, but then the "big" schools come calling with more money and they are gone. When we don't have good deals on coaches, we have people who may be in over their heads.
How to fix this? Throw money at the problem in the short term. I am not calling for Larry's head by saying this, but WHEN THE TIME COMES if that is after ACU or after 2015, I believe we should go after the absolute biggest name we can afford. This is our "wildest dreams" level coach. We get the big donors behind the hire. We get the advertisers behind the hire. We even go after some naming rights along with this new hire. To my knowledge that end zone building hasn't been branded Bud Light Tower yet. Our next guy stays here 2 years and we are ok with that. Because we have a history of getting money into the program, we now have money to get the long-term guy to settle in. We also have more money to give him the assistants at ALL parts of the game that he deserves.
A big name will have a trickle down effect. Big name guy gets us on ESPN, even if he's screaming after a loss that he's a man of 40 years old. Big name gets big donors. Facilities get built. Big name works hard on recruiting and builds a team of recruiting specialists under him. Season ticket sales increase because of fans (even casual fan buying a few GA's or Family Pack) investing. Trojan Fund gets more donations. Stadium Club food improves because there are more people being critical and demanding higher quality. Beer lines get shorter. Beer man roams the stands entertaining us during timeouts. Ground is broken on a lightning proof indoor facility. Athletics as a whole increases because of exposure. If you're not on ESPN you're overlooked. That exposure also makes it easier to schedule more Mississippi State and Duke type games once schools figure out we're not in Ohio or New York.
So my opinion is our next coach is not our long term guy. He's our springboard to the future.
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Post by Possum on Sept 11, 2014 8:19:45 GMT -6
I totally agree, chad and hope that's what happens.
Cheers and see you Saturday, buddy.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Sept 11, 2014 8:35:05 GMT -6
Hey Chad....
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Post by swordsman on Sept 11, 2014 9:21:49 GMT -6
Totally agree Chad! Been thinking about putting that same type thing on here. You have to spend the money up front to get the biggest name coach you can to get the excitement back. That is when the fans and donors come back, and this time maybe we can take advantage of the success unlike last time!
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Post by Troystet on Sept 11, 2014 9:34:03 GMT -6
What Big name coach are we going to get for $700,000 a year right now? We can get a great HC for that, don't know how big a name he is. As long as he can win and bring in discipline I don't care if hire Bill Belichek or Bill Clark
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 11, 2014 9:46:14 GMT -6
Didn't Ohio St get into all kinds of trouble with him leading the ship? Isn't everyone complaining about a lack of discipline? I think I'll have a beer. Not for anything on the field and in locker room if I remember correctly. Had to do with college players sell autograph during off season if I remember correctly. He may have not reported violations when he gained knowledge. His teams were highly disciplined on the field Didn't Ohio St get into all kinds of trouble with him leading the ship? Isn't everyone complaining about a lack of discipline? I think I'll have a beer. He was a good man who fell victim to the pressure to win and brought in some bad characters in Clarrett and Pryor and others and then tried to protect them. Goes to show what happens when you lose control. If he would have just let the process take care of the violaters but he chose to protect them and it cost them and him. The irony is OSU now has the thug king recruiter in Myer. Look at some of the winners he brought to UF and covered up for them, namely Hernandez Propst's issues were away from the field, but some here have judged and sentenced him to life without parole. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 9:47:04 GMT -6
What Big name coach are we going to get for $700,000 a year right now? Never mentioned 700k. Never mentioned doing things the way they always have been done. Did mention a new, never before done approach of going after big donors and sponsors.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 11, 2014 9:59:31 GMT -6
What Big name coach are we going to get for $700,000 a year right now? Never mentioned 700k. Never mentioned doing things the way they always have been done. Did mention a new, never before done approach of going after big donors and sponsors. LB is making 500K so I assume maybe we can stretch to 700,000?? Might be that we can only pay $500k??
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 11, 2014 10:00:19 GMT -6
Never mentioned 700k. Never mentioned doing things the way they always have been done. Did mention a new, never before done approach of going after big donors and sponsors. LB is making 500K so I assume maybe we can stretch to 700,000?? Might be that we can only pay $500k?? No we are able to pay more than $500k currently.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 10:04:38 GMT -6
Never mentioned 700k. Never mentioned doing things the way they always have been done. Did mention a new, never before done approach of going after big donors and sponsors. LB is making 500K so I assume maybe we can stretch to 700,000?? Might be that we can only pay $500k?? So it's your stance that the full effort of our athletics department, sponsors, boosters and fan base is worth $200,000. Is that correct?
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Post by Troystet on Sept 11, 2014 10:06:35 GMT -6
LB is making 500K so I assume maybe we can stretch to 700,000?? Might be that we can only pay $500k?? So it's your stance that the full effort of our athletics department, sponsors, boosters and fan base is worth $200,000. Is that correct? Stating I assume. Maybe we can pay twice what LB makes??? Don't know but you would assume not.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 11, 2014 10:14:13 GMT -6
LB is making 500K so I assume maybe we can stretch to 700,000?? Might be that we can only pay $500k?? No we are able to pay more than $500k currently. Then why didn't we drop an extra $75,000 on the first choice for DC two years ago. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 11, 2014 10:30:04 GMT -6
Had a fellow poster here. ( and hope he chimes in in case I don't explain this right) that the main reason Troy doesn't have more money for salaries etc. Is that the university has to guarantee every scholarship it gives. Where other schools cover this with donor money Troy has been unable to secure the big donors. So money that could be spent has to be spent covering scholarships. I hope I said that right. Chime in old timer to better explain
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Post by goe1975 on Sept 11, 2014 10:50:29 GMT -6
Not just a Troy grad, she is from Troy. I'm sticking with Coach Clark or Duwan Walker his D.C. who played at Troy in the 90's She?? I think he's talking about Jeremy Pruitt's wife. She and my daughter were majorettes together at CHHS.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 11, 2014 11:19:28 GMT -6
No we are able to pay more than $500k currently. Then why didn't we drop an extra $75,000 on the first choice for DC two years ago. I think I'll have a beer. I will simply that will assist you to understand. You have a ship. It's old, it's leaking, its rudder is broken, it's wood is warped, it's been repaired a lot. Do you go out and buy new sails for this ship. Or do save that money and ride the ship out until it sinks and have the money for a new ship. Troy U. Has the money for additional athletic salaries. JH has hired a lot of new coaches in athletics since his arrival. Most if not all have been paid more than the last. To simply, Troy has yearly budgets, they can move around money within depts. / funds/ programs. Have you seen the campus lately ? Tens and tens of millions of dollars have been spent lately and more is being spent. JH has been working on bringing in donors that are ready to act when the change happens. He also is working on corporate partners that are close to coming aboard. This equals additional revenue. To be clear, when Troy U. hires it's next football coach it will pay that catch a lot more money than CLB makes.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 11, 2014 11:37:21 GMT -6
Then why didn't we drop an extra $75,000 on the first choice for DC two years ago. I think I'll have a beer. I will simply that will assist you to understand. You have a ship. It's old, it's leaking, its rudder is broken, it's wood is warped, it's been repaired a lot. Do you go out and buy new sails for this ship. Or do save that money and ride the ship out until it sinks and have the money for a new ship. Troy U. Has the money for additional athletic salaries. JH has hired a lot of new coaches in athletics since his arrival. Most if not all have been paid more than the last. To simply, Troy has yearly budgets, they can move around money within depts. / funds/ programs. Have you seen the campus lately ? Tens and tens of millions of dollars have been spent lately and more is being spent. JH has been working on bringing in donors that are ready to act when the change happens. He also is working on corporate partners that are close to coming aboard. This equals additional revenue. To be clear, when Troy U. hires it's next football coach it will pay that catch a lot more money than CLB makes. Or should the ship been sunk 2-3 years ago when it started taking on water, listing to one side and slowly sinking? Now we might be the equivalent of a crab boat rescue in the Behring Sea
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 11, 2014 12:16:11 GMT -6
Then why didn't we drop an extra $75,000 on the first choice for DC two years ago. I think I'll have a beer. I will simply that will assist you to understand. You have a ship. It's old, it's leaking, its rudder is broken, it's wood is warped, it's been repaired a lot. Do you go out and buy new sails for this ship. Or do save that money and ride the ship out until it sinks and have the money for a new ship. Troy U. Has the money for additional athletic salaries. JH has hired a lot of new coaches in athletics since his arrival. Most if not all have been paid more than the last. To simply, Troy has yearly budgets, they can move around money within depts. / funds/ programs. Have you seen the campus lately ? Tens and tens of millions of dollars have been spent lately and more is being spent. JH has been working on bringing in donors that are ready to act when the change happens. He also is working on corporate partners that are close to coming aboard. This equals additional revenue. To be clear, when Troy U. hires it's next football coach it will pay that catch a lot more money than CLB makes. So by your logic John Hartwell is setting up Troy football to fail now so they can win later, by intentionally not hiring the best possible people? New coaches should have been paid more than the previous coaches, but you can check and see that amount is that substantial. Do you think those in control of funds on the academic side are willing to fund football and the athletic departments needs? I don't want one dime that I give to athletics going to the next park or raise for those in academics. John Hartwell is most certainly doing his best at Troy and working hard to secure new donors. We are lucky to have him and lucky to not have lost him to Georgia St. No doubt the next coach should be paid more. No doubt he will be or those of you like yourself will be doing a lot more crying in the future. It seems you are telling me that the athletic department doesn't need our money. That they already have enough and we need to just sit around and wait on a major donor to do all the work. Am I correct? If so, you sound a lot like a previous AD that was waiting on that big fish to jump into his lap. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 11, 2014 12:33:01 GMT -6
I will simply that will assist you to understand. You have a ship. It's old, it's leaking, its rudder is broken, it's wood is warped, it's been repaired a lot. Do you go out and buy new sails for this ship. Or do save that money and ride the ship out until it sinks and have the money for a new ship. Troy U. Has the money for additional athletic salaries. JH has hired a lot of new coaches in athletics since his arrival. Most if not all have been paid more than the last. To simply, Troy has yearly budgets, they can move around money within depts. / funds/ programs. Have you seen the campus lately ? Tens and tens of millions of dollars have been spent lately and more is being spent. JH has been working on bringing in donors that are ready to act when the change happens. He also is working on corporate partners that are close to coming aboard. This equals additional revenue. To be clear, when Troy U. hires it's next football coach it will pay that catch a lot more money than CLB makes. So by your logic John Hartwell is setting up Troy football to fail now so they can win later, by intentionally not hiring the best possible people? New coaches should have been paid more than the previous coaches, but you can check and see that amount is that substantial. Do you think those in control of funds on the academic side are willing to fund football and the athletic departments needs? I don't want one dime that I give to athletics going to the next park or raise for those in academics. John Hartwell is most certainly doing his best at Troy and working hard to secure new donors. We are lucky to have him and lucky to not have lost him to Georgia St. No doubt the next coach should be paid more. No doubt he will be or those of you like yourself will be doing a lot more crying in the future. It seems you are telling me that the athletic department doesn't need our money. That they already have enough and we need to just sit around and wait on a major donor to do all the work. Am I correct? If so, you sound a lot like a previous AD that was waiting on that big fish to jump into his lap. I think I'll have a beer. You packed a whole lot of assumptions and out and out misrepresentations in that response. I understand if you didn't graduate Troy in accounting or finance it's hard to grasp. Education degree maybe ? Probably not because you don't want any of your money funding the school You always seem to respond to people commenting on the worst possible scenarios. (i.e. JH leaving to Ga St. Or Troy has no money, we are in the verge of collapse). But I will help ya: Of course, every Athletic program need more funding. Every year. Those in charge of the funding understand the need for additional funds in athletics (football) in the near future. HECK they just built the best basketball arena in the Sunbelt !! Basketball is athletics. Anyone disagree ? But again, do we have the money to build an endzone complex ? NO. Do we have money right now to pay additional salary ? YES. The 1st choice DC was not 100% committed anyway. Just keep calm folks
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 11, 2014 12:47:11 GMT -6
So by your logic John Hartwell is setting up Troy football to fail now so they can win later, by intentionally not hiring the best possible people? New coaches should have been paid more than the previous coaches, but you can check and see that amount is that substantial. Do you think those in control of funds on the academic side are willing to fund football and the athletic departments needs? I don't want one dime that I give to athletics going to the next park or raise for those in academics. John Hartwell is most certainly doing his best at Troy and working hard to secure new donors. We are lucky to have him and lucky to not have lost him to Georgia St. No doubt the next coach should be paid more. No doubt he will be or those of you like yourself will be doing a lot more crying in the future. It seems you are telling me that the athletic department doesn't need our money. That they already have enough and we need to just sit around and wait on a major donor to do all the work. Am I correct? If so, you sound a lot like a previous AD that was waiting on that big fish to jump into his lap. I think I'll have a beer. You packed a whole lot of assumptions and out and out misrepresentations in that response. I understand if you didn't graduate Troy in accounting or finance it's hard to grasp. Education degree maybe ? Probably not because you don't want any of your money funding the school You always seem to respond to people commenting on the worst possible scenarios. (i.e. JH leaving to Ga St. Or Troy has no money, we are in the verge of collapse). But I will help ya: Of course, every Athletic program need more funding. Every year. Those in charge of the funding understand the need for additional funds in athletics (football) in the near future. HECK they just built the best basketball arena in the Sunbelt !! Basketball is athletics. Anyone disagree ? But again, do we have the money to build an endzone complex ? NO. Do we have money right now to pay additional salary ? YES. The 1st choice DC was not 100% committed anyway. Just keep calm folks Interesting that right out of the gate you mock those that might have graduated Troy with a degree in education. Likely that speaks more about you than it does those you are trying to belittle. To answer, your question I didn't not graduate Troy with any of those degrees. Basketball Arena is nice. This is a football forum. We have a basketball forum. There needs to be a constant elevating of facilities in athletics at Troy. We have additional money for salaries, but if we build that surplus up the pool of candidates gets deeper. First choice would have came if he received what he asked for. Wouldn't expect someone to be 100% committed that isn't getting what they are worth. I'm hate that you are the type of person that gets their feelings hurt on a message board. It's ok thought it's only he internet. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by preachertoo on Sept 11, 2014 13:06:18 GMT -6
First choice would have came if he received what he asked for. Wouldn't expect someone to be 100% committed that isn't getting what they are worth [/quote]
OK Hemi, who was first choice.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 11, 2014 13:27:44 GMT -6
First choice would have came if he received what he asked for. Wouldn't expect someone to be 100% committed that isn't getting what they are worth OK Hemi, who was first choice.[/quote] They wanted Rowell back but he wanted more money
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 11, 2014 13:30:05 GMT -6
You packed a whole lot of assumptions and out and out misrepresentations in that response. I understand if you didn't graduate Troy in accounting or finance it's hard to grasp. Education degree maybe ? Probably not because you don't want any of your money funding the school You always seem to respond to people commenting on the worst possible scenarios. (i.e. JH leaving to Ga St. Or Troy has no money, we are in the verge of collapse). But I will help ya: Of course, every Athletic program need more funding. Every year. Those in charge of the funding understand the need for additional funds in athletics (football) in the near future. HECK they just built the best basketball arena in the Sunbelt !! Basketball is athletics. Anyone disagree ? But again, do we have the money to build an endzone complex ? NO. Do we have money right now to pay additional salary ? YES. The 1st choice DC was not 100% committed anyway. Just keep calm folks Interesting that right out of the gate you mock those that might have graduated Troy with a degree in education. Likely that speaks more about you than it does those you are trying to belittle. To answer, your question I didn't not graduate Troy with any of those degrees. Basketball Arena is nice. This is a football forum. We have a basketball forum. There needs to be a constant elevating of facilities in athletics at Troy. We have additional money for salaries, but if we build that surplus up the pool of candidates gets deeper. First choice would have came if he received what he asked for. Wouldn't expect someone to be 100% committed that isn't getting what they are worth. I'm hate that you are the type of person that gets their feelings hurt on a message board. It's ok thought it's only he internet. I think I'll have a beer. Man, you sure can take people posts and just make up totally different things from what they post. I mocked nobody. I said it was a noble profession !! Your statement concerning not supporting the education side of this great institute of higher learning with your money speaks volumes. But it is you money so cool. You brought the people in charge of funding and the spending in the athletic department. I proves your point wrong about these people not spending on athletics. Who said anyone's feelings are hurt ? You say that often like people will take offense. Keep calm guy it will be ok.
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