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Post by theredwave on Sept 6, 2014 21:04:47 GMT -6
Can anyone confirm a fight in the locker room after the game? LB was very distracted as was Chris. It sounded pretty rough.
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Post by skeletor on Sept 6, 2014 21:10:30 GMT -6
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.
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Post by Spiritual Trojan on Sept 6, 2014 21:15:35 GMT -6
Can anyone confirm a fight in the locker room after the game? LB was very distracted as was Chris. It sounded pretty rough. That's sure what it sounded like, I really hope it wasn't though. However did see a d play fussing back at Bolt after Bolt got on him for casually strolling off the field so there are some deep discipline issues.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 6, 2014 21:28:37 GMT -6
While I can't confirm there was a fight, I agree that circumstances indicated that to be the case. The noise sounded like a winning locker room, Blakeny said "there is a lot of energy in here right now, misunderstood energy". It then sounded as if he and Chris went outside the locker room for the remainder of what was a very short interview. No players were interviewed, even though the plan when the broadcast went to the locker room was to interview some players. Finally, as the show was winding down, Cliff said "as Coach Blakeny said there are some internal things to work on and we got a little glimpse of that earlier".
I was disappointed to hear all this because I thought the team played the most disciplined game they'd played in a while. Very few penalties, not a lot of blown assignments, only two fumbles (though one was very costly). It seems those things may have masked a problem that was revealed after the game. This team may be imploding VERY early.
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Post by vestaviatrojan on Sept 6, 2014 22:15:17 GMT -6
Heard it as well... If it was a fight then that's very disappointing... Unless someone was kicking a coach's butt for continued 4th down conversion attempts....
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Post by discophobia on Sept 6, 2014 22:50:16 GMT -6
This program is fast becoming the Florida State program from a few years ago, discipline problems including players arrested during the off season for shooting someone, fights, stupid penalties and our very own Bobby Bowden that has stayed too long. Sad days indeed.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 7, 2014 4:34:57 GMT -6
"Coming together is a beginning; keeping together is progress; working together is success." - H.F.
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Post by theredwave on Sept 7, 2014 20:27:22 GMT -6
I cannot confirm if it was a fight. I'm checking with a few people who would be privey to that information. However, team discipline has indeed slipped. It is clear this group of young men has not bonded nor are they acting as teammates. If they don't circle the wagons, it will be a long year.
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Sept 7, 2014 21:02:48 GMT -6
If there was a physical altercation, I am sure it was nothing more than pushing/shoving. I'm sure there is a ton of frustration in that locker room. I think the two groups that aren't seeing eye-to-eye are both wanting to be successful, but are going about it in different ways. The team hasn't imploded yet. I am sure there is discontent in every 0-2 locker room across the width and breath of this great nation. This team needs just one break to go its way and tempers will cool down. Hopefully, that break comes Saturday.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 8, 2014 3:52:14 GMT -6
If there was a physical altercation, I am sure it was nothing more than pushing/shoving. I'm sure there is a ton of frustration in that locker room. I think the two groups that aren't seeing eye-to-eye are both wanting to be successful, but are going about it in different ways. The team hasn't imploded yet. I am sure there is discontent in every 0-2 locker room across the width and breath of this great nation. This team needs just one break to go its way and tempers will cool down. Hopefully, that break comes Saturday. Yea, the biggest difference being that it's usually not caught on audio. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 8, 2014 5:31:32 GMT -6
They had a few locker room instances last year, one serious that resulted in injury. There is a big discipline problem that to many fans want to ignore. You let players dress any way they want, wear hair down to the middle of their back, act any way they want, do practically anything they want, then dontt expect them to keep composure and follow assignments on the field. I'm not the only one picking this up. I heard multiple comments on the hair during the game and got a earful listening to conservation sat the alumni tent. Everything from hair, to no discipline to recruiting. From conservations I overheard from alumni and fans, it can be summed up in one phrase " Fed Up". And it was discouraging as a former player, alumni and supporter.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 8, 2014 6:53:50 GMT -6
They had a few locker room instances last year, one serious that resulted in injury. There is a big discipline problem that to many fans want to ignore. You let players dress any way they want, wear hair down to the middle of their back, act any way they want, do practically anything they want, then dontt expect them to keep composure and follow assignments on the field. I'm not the only one picking this up. I heard multiple comments on the hair during the game and got a earful listening to conservation sat the alumni tent. Everything from hair, to no discipline to recruiting. From conservations I overheard from alumni and fans, it can be summed up in one phrase " Fed Up". And it was discouraging as a former player, alumni and supporter. Long hair isn't causing us to lose games. You would be shocked at the amount of turmoil that went unnoticed during the championships. Winning tends to keep those undercover. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 8, 2014 7:14:22 GMT -6
They had a few locker room instances last year, one serious that resulted in injury. There is a big discipline problem that to many fans want to ignore. You let players dress any way they want, wear hair down to the middle of their back, act any way they want, do practically anything they want, then dontt expect them to keep composure and follow assignments on the field. I'm not the only one picking this up. I heard multiple comments on the hair during the game and got a earful listening to conservation sat the alumni tent. Everything from hair, to no discipline to recruiting. From conservations I overheard from alumni and fans, it can be summed up in one phrase " Fed Up". And it was discouraging as a former player, alumni and supporter. Long hair isn't causing us to lose games. You would be shocked at the amount of turmoil that went unnoticed during the championships. Winning tends to keep those undercover. I think I'll have a beer. No, but it ties into the overall lack of discipline. Like I stated, don't expect players to do what they are supposed to when they can pretty much do whatever they want. Doesn't work in the military or business world either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 7:25:25 GMT -6
If we were winning, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Now...remind me again how long hair negatively impacts success on the field??? Surf Report: Minimal (ankle high or less) surf. Fairly clean in the morning with NW winds 5-10mph. Light sideshore texture conditions for the afternoon with the winds shifting to the W.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 8, 2014 7:33:19 GMT -6
Your intitled to your opinion. The hair in itself is not the problem but part of the bigger problem. I don't like it, never will. IMO we have two many guys wanting to express their individualism which does not make a team concept. Jmo, you have yours and I have mine, but how is it working for us right now. Three straight losing seasons and a 0-2 start this year. We have a discipline problem, if you want to correct it then you put in rules that everyone has to follow. We won championships in 84 and 87 with rules on hair, earrings, beards, dress, character etc. Neither team was the most talented but they won because of discipline and a team concept.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 8, 2014 7:38:54 GMT -6
Damn hippies.
It a different time. Long hair is cool. Doesn't matter.
But does not take away the fact discipline is a major factor on why we are bottoming out.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Sept 8, 2014 7:50:45 GMT -6
LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP ALL MISSING AND YOU WILL NEVER WIN WITHOUT IT.
LACK OF: DISCIPLINE DISCIPLINE DISCIPLINE DISCIPLINE ALL MISSING AND YOU CANNOT WIN WITHOUT IT
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Post by bulldogtrojan on Sept 8, 2014 8:41:50 GMT -6
In regards to the player's appearances - I work in a hotel that houses many of the SEC teams during the season along with teams from other (and smaller) conferences, and to a man they all get off that bus wearing the same outfit. And this is simply for their walk from a bus to a hotel lobby - not a pre-game tradition involving fans. Many have long hair and dreads but as long as they are clean I don't see a proplem with long hair. I find it hard to believe that Troy recruits the only players in the country who want to express their "individuality" or have discipline problems. This is ALL on the coaches. How can you expect to have student leaders when you do not have coaching leaders. I know for a fact that one of the coaches did not even stay with the team Friday night. This may be common practice at Troy but I am going off what I see from other teams. Also, maybe the coaches need to imbibe less the night before a game. Not a good example.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 8, 2014 8:48:02 GMT -6
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Post by Troystet on Sept 8, 2014 8:56:59 GMT -6
You also had leaders on those team. Character examples. Bear, Levi, Clark, Williams, Hampton and so on. We need somebody to step up and be examples like these guys were. The hair is just one issue in a long array of problems that ties into a lack of rules
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Sept 8, 2014 9:51:49 GMT -6
The Dream has never been partial to long locks, however until a player says "I missed that tackle because my hair was in my eyes," I will allow it. I personally am way more concerned with getting the ball in the end zone and keeping the other team out than I am when the Trojans get their ears lowered.
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Post by trojanbear on Sept 8, 2014 10:04:26 GMT -6
In regards to the player's appearances - I work in a hotel that houses many of the SEC teams during the season along with teams from other (and smaller) conferences, and to a man they all get off that bus wearing the same outfit. And this is simply for their walk from a bus to a hotel lobby - not a pre-game tradition involving fans. Many have long hair and dreads but as long as they are clean I don't see a proplem with long hair. I find it hard to believe that Troy recruits the only players in the country who want to express their "individuality" or have discipline problems. This is ALL on the coaches. How can you expect to have student leaders when you do not have coaching leaders. I know for a fact that one of the coaches did not even stay with the team Friday night. This may be common practice at Troy but I am going off what I see from other teams. Also, maybe the coaches need to imbibe less the night before a game. Not a good example. WINNER, WINNER CHICKEN DINNER! 100% CORRECT.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Sept 8, 2014 10:18:23 GMT -6
Don't love or even like the long hair, but that is not my biggest issue. Can we just wear the same warm up and hat or no hat and no ear buds in the Trojan walk.
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Post by trolljan on Sept 8, 2014 10:36:27 GMT -6
When I was going through this was never an issue. The team had the same warm-up. Every player had a jacket, pants, and a shirt. The last couple of years there the shirt changed each week to reflect that week's games. Sad to see this has become so lax.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Sept 8, 2014 10:36:33 GMT -6
In regards to the player's appearances - I work in a hotel that houses many of the SEC teams during the season along with teams from other (and smaller) conferences, and to a man they all get off that bus wearing the same outfit. And this is simply for their walk from a bus to a hotel lobby - not a pre-game tradition involving fans. Many have long hair and dreads but as long as they are clean I don't see a proplem with long hair. I find it hard to believe that Troy recruits the only players in the country who want to express their "individuality" or have discipline problems. This is ALL on the coaches. How can you expect to have student leaders when you do not have coaching leaders. I know for a fact that one of the coaches did not even stay with the team Friday night. This may be common practice at Troy but I am going off what I see from other teams. Also, maybe the coaches need to imbibe less the night before a game. Not a good example. WINNER, WINNER CHICKEN DINNER! 100% CORRECT. This whole comment section concerns me, if true.
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