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Post by cornhole on Aug 25, 2022 17:08:51 GMT -6
Make sure they understand BOTH parties were told to "Take a Hike out of Troy". Speaks volumes to me. It could go either way. If tossing the victim along with the abuser was the Universities way of dealing with this, then that was incorrect. The Truth will Out.
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Post by saintflorian on Aug 25, 2022 19:42:34 GMT -6
I have been an adult for many years. What I am about to say in NO WAY IS A DEFENSE OF ANY AS IN ANY HARASSMENT. But to assume that a school because of the action of one kid is how the school is in fact absurd! If someone tells me something bad about some one I tend to not take it as gospel. The negative recruiting??!! “Go there and get a blank shoved up your blank? ” We don’t want the kid or family who thinks that a gay or any other kind of person is being harassed as a SYSTEMATIC form of behavior of the school or its general Population of students. Being Christian is to love those who ALSO AND MORE IMPORTANTLY are not your friends or see eye to eye with you. Things will come out that MAY AS IN MAY not be flattering to some. However, with responsibility there is always accountability. However, if someone is to say Troy is this way because of the actions of a few is just like shoes university was at FSU which was promoted by several as in this is the way it is here at FSU. There is not a group of kids at Troy or administrators that are saying “yeah will Pool stick you and harass u if u are different. There will always be differences and there will always be preferences by humans. Abuse is not correct and abuse should never be tolerated. All of this will Play out but not knowing some are idiots on campuses everywhere is again absurd. If one has to state what you are saying is NOT going to be this or that, one’s argument is exactly this or that. Your statement does not have basic understanding of marketing, social perceptions or simple logic. To be devils advocate, none of the coaches knew ? The AD ? The Chancellor ? This kid did this on his own for months with nobody knowing ? So if the kid was asked to leave in December and Arrest warrants issued in October, November and December and the school Administration, AD and Chancellor did what ? Kept them on the team that’s for sure. This kid had a lot issues, yeah I dont believe all of what he is saying is true. But you acting like none of it is true. You believe Troy did absolutely nothing wrong ? The fire and smoke in the distance say no. I hope and pray Troy gets out of this without issue but on the other hand if our Administration/Coaches hid, schemed, lied and/or covered up, I have no sympathy. And I dont want them leading or anywhere near my University. They can burn. Settle know, dont go to court. We lose10x more.
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Post by jonesoxygen on Aug 26, 2022 7:05:12 GMT -6
Other than this message board, the story has died in the media as I predicted it would. How about this board leave it alone too until all of the details come out.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Aug 26, 2022 7:21:26 GMT -6
I have been an adult for many years. What I am about to say in NO WAY IS A DEFENSE OF ANY AS IN ANY HARASSMENT. But to assume that a school because of the action of one kid is how the school is in fact absurd! If someone tells me something bad about some one I tend to not take it as gospel. The negative recruiting??!! “Go there and get a blank shoved up your blank? ” We don’t want the kid or family who thinks that a gay or any other kind of person is being harassed as a SYSTEMATIC form of behavior of the school or its general Population of students. Being Christian is to love those who ALSO AND MORE IMPORTANTLY are not your friends or see eye to eye with you. Things will come out that MAY AS IN MAY not be flattering to some. However, with responsibility there is always accountability. However, if someone is to say Troy is this way because of the actions of a few is just like shoes university was at FSU which was promoted by several as in this is the way it is here at FSU. There is not a group of kids at Troy or administrators that are saying “yeah will Pool stick you and harass u if u are different. There will always be differences and there will always be preferences by humans. Abuse is not correct and abuse should never be tolerated. All of this will Play out but not knowing some are idiots on campuses everywhere is again absurd. If one has to state what you are saying is NOT going to be this or that, one’s argument is exactly this or that. Your statement does not have basic understanding of marketing, social perceptions or simple logic. To be devils advocate, none of the coaches knew ? The AD ? The Chancellor ? This kid did this on his own for months with nobody knowing ? So if the kid was asked to leave in December and Arrest warrants issued in October, November and December and the school Administration, AD and Chancellor did what ? Kept them on the team that’s for sure. This kid had a lot issues, yeah I dont believe all of what he is saying is true. But you acting like none of it is true. You believe Troy did absolutely nothing wrong ? The fire and smoke in the distance say no. I hope and pray Troy gets out of this without issue but on the other hand if our Administration/Coaches hid, schemed, lied and/or covered up, I have no sympathy. And I dont want them leading or anywhere near my University. They can burn. Settle know, dont go to court. We lose10x more. We obviously have a different opinion of logic. I am saying not all people are sheep. There is a logic to saying a singular ugly story can hurt because people will talk and leap to conclusions. Then there are those who reflect upon the facts of a matter and know that a singular issue of a person or very small group of people is generally not reflective of all of members of that group. Particularly, if the facts prove that none of the higher ups were aware or allowed an offensive action or policy to continue. That is obviously where discovery and the courts come in if there is a legal complaint. What i was saying previously is that some will try to sell a negative incident as one corrupting everything else. I am saying that not everyone believes everything on Twitter. In addition, I am saying in this day and age where group think has assaulted logic that most Americans are thoughtful and in time will come to the conclusion that facts, data and decency will win out. It is hard to believe that higher ups had any knowledge of true abuse that went unaddressed. However, as you eluded we will see. Till then I don't think there are giant marketing firms or even coaches laying out sketch boards of any significant plan to exploit this to a true advantage. As I said people may talk but I am not yet worried about the social perception of the University at large. Again, I am sorry my simple logic mystifies you. It is called data based and fact based and life experience based and most of all it is just one persons opinion of logic as it presents itself in this situation. Since football season is beginning and we have betting and predictions I will give you one more based on "simple logic" Woke has not yet dominated everything so as to wait for discovery. If allegations true there will be further damage to SOME not many but SOME careers. So, I am betting on that simple logic perception that Troy as a university will be fine and there will not be more than a hand full of students (if any) who avoid Troy as the university due to this incident.
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Post by saintflorian on Aug 26, 2022 8:27:37 GMT -6
If one has to state what you are saying is NOT going to be this or that, one’s argument is exactly this or that. Your statement does not have basic understanding of marketing, social perceptions or simple logic. To be devils advocate, none of the coaches knew ? The AD ? The Chancellor ? This kid did this on his own for months with nobody knowing ? So if the kid was asked to leave in December and Arrest warrants issued in October, November and December and the school Administration, AD and Chancellor did what ? Kept them on the team that’s for sure. This kid had a lot issues, yeah I dont believe all of what he is saying is true. But you acting like none of it is true. You believe Troy did absolutely nothing wrong ? The fire and smoke in the distance say no. I hope and pray Troy gets out of this without issue but on the other hand if our Administration/Coaches hid, schemed, lied and/or covered up, I have no sympathy. And I dont want them leading or anywhere near my University. They can burn. Settle know, dont go to court. We lose10x more. We obviously have a different opinion of logic. I am saying not all people are sheep. There is a logic to saying a singular ugly story can hurt because people will talk and leap to conclusions. Then there are those who reflect upon the facts of a matter and know that a singular issue of a person or very small group of people is generally not reflective of all of members of that group. Particularly, if the facts prove that none of the higher ups were aware or allowed an offensive action or policy to continue. That is obviously where discovery and the courts come in if there is a legal complaint. What i was saying previously is that some will try to sell a negative incident as one corrupting everything else. I am saying that not everyone believes everything on Twitter. In addition, I am saying in this day and age where group think has assaulted logic that most Americans are thoughtful and in time will come to the conclusion that facts, data and decency will win out. It is hard to believe that higher ups had any knowledge of true abuse that went unaddressed. However, as you eluded we will see. Till then I don't think there are giant marketing firms or even coaches laying out sketch boards of any significant plan to exploit this to a true advantage. As I said people may talk but I am not yet worried about the social perception of the University at large. Again, I am sorry my simple logic mystifies you. It is called data based and fact based and life experience based and most of all it is just one persons opinion of logic as it presents itself in this situation. Since football season is beginning and we have betting and predictions I will give you one more based on "simple logic" Woke has not yet dominated everything so as to wait for discovery. If allegations true there will be further damage to SOME not many but SOME careers. So, I am betting on that simple logic perception that Troy as a university will be fine and there will not be more than a hand full of students (if any) who avoid Troy as the university due to this incident. Nobody said actions of a few translated into all of a group is guilty. But perception is reality. That’s like saying if one Baptist preacher is a drunk, wife cheating, thief that all of them are. But it certainly cast a stain for a little while. Arrest warrants were issued in Troy, AL (one of the smallest places on Earth) for a football player and the Admin, AD and coaches didn’t know ? If that the case they would be the most inept group in the country. What pisses me off the most, am hearing this could and should have handled in October of 2020 but was allowed to fester and grow worse. That people advised that this situation should have been dealt with immediately at that time but were either overruled or ignored. Shame on them. Hope they burn. Poor management and inept leadership.
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Post by Hemi Man on Aug 26, 2022 8:55:24 GMT -6
So the it happened it November of 2020, reported to the police in December of 2020( after the season) and the kicker did not return the next year. Is that correct? Three arrest warrants were issued: one Oct. 2020, one Nov. 2020, and one Dec. 2020. None of warrants were served on accused attacker until a few days ago. Yes, both parties left school at the end of 2020. What a lack of leadership at the highest levels. Shame. The warrants were issues on October 30 2021. If you’re going to continue your smear campaign of Brent Jones and other members of the athletic department at least do your homework.
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Post by saintflorian on Aug 26, 2022 9:08:27 GMT -6
Three arrest warrants were issued: one Oct. 2020, one Nov. 2020, and one Dec. 2020. None of warrants were served on accused attacker until a few days ago. Yes, both parties left school at the end of 2020. What a lack of leadership at the highest levels. Shame. The warrants were issues on October 30 2021. If you’re going to continue your smear campaign of Brent Jones and other members of the athletic department at least do your homework. Correct. Typo. Charges were levied in October 2020. Everything else still stands. This should have been dealt with at that time. It was swept under the rug. If your going defend poor leadership and potential poor moral judgement come with more than a typo.
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Post by saintflorian on Aug 26, 2022 9:14:54 GMT -6
Other than this message board, the story has died in the media as I predicted it would. How about this board leave it alone too until all of the details come out. Agree. It’s tiring and depressing. Done.
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Post by Hemi Man on Aug 26, 2022 12:15:31 GMT -6
The warrants were issues on October 30 2021. If you’re going to continue your smear campaign of Brent Jones and other members of the athletic department at least do your homework. Correct. Typo. Charges were levied in October 2020. Everything else still stands. This should have been dealt with at that time. It was swept under the rug. If your going defend poor leadership and potential poor moral judgement come with more than a typo. Dealing in the truth is best in these types of situations. Your ASSumptions do nothing but keep the thread going. Just to further your agenda with things you ASSume you know.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Aug 26, 2022 12:24:08 GMT -6
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Post by saintflorian on Aug 26, 2022 12:43:54 GMT -6
Correct. Typo. Charges were levied in October 2020. Everything else still stands. This should have been dealt with at that time. It was swept under the rug. If your going defend poor leadership and potential poor moral judgement come with more than a typo. Dealing in the truth is best in these types of situations. Your ASSumptions do nothing but keep the thread going. Just to further your agenda with things you ASSume you know. Not hiding adverse conditions, being a moral leader and having a truth compass is what Troy University needs. Not looking after oneself’s self interest and full of disrespect is in order. It fits you and the situation.
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Post by saintflorian on Aug 26, 2022 12:44:08 GMT -6
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