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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Aug 24, 2022 7:49:59 GMT -6
Better hope this problem doesn't go further up the vine.
Not saying this is the case... but if the athletic department or school admin knew about what was going on, and didn't take proper steps... there could be MASS upheaval coming.
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Post by asacarter on Aug 24, 2022 11:16:49 GMT -6
This is terrible either way. If it's true it is deplorable and those need to be held responsible. If it is not true same thing applies he needs to be held accountable. The victim filed a civil suit in federal court which is he or legal representative wrote out what happened and a federal magistrate ruled it met the requirements to go forward(that doesn't take much). I've been sued in federal court a few times never made it to a courtroom. Then the criminal charges were filed in Troy those will move faster than the federal. The victim filed a police report an investigation was done and the investigators signed warrants on the accused. I'm sure Troy University has a team of lawyers handling the federal civil suit. Whatever happens lives will be changed
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Post by buzzlightyear on Aug 24, 2022 11:32:49 GMT -6
Better hope this problem doesn't go further up the vine. Not saying this is the case... but if the athletic department or school admin knew about what was going on, and didn't take proper steps... there could be MASS upheaval coming. Excrement hitting the fan would be another way of looking at scenario.
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Post by johnwilkerson on Aug 24, 2022 15:32:23 GMT -6
So the it happened it November of 2020, reported to the police in December of 2020( after the season) and the kicker did not return the next year. Is that correct?
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Post by cornhole on Aug 24, 2022 15:54:50 GMT -6
So the it happened it November of 2020, reported to the police in December of 2020( after the season) and the kicker did not return the next year. Is that correct? Neither player returned. I've heard (or read some where) they were both "ushered" out. I believe that you are correct on the dates. The "alleged" harrassment occurred from early September 2020 through the end of that semester.
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Post by saintflorian on Aug 24, 2022 16:02:30 GMT -6
So the it happened it November of 2020, reported to the police in December of 2020( after the season) and the kicker did not return the next year. Is that correct? Three arrest warrants were issued: one Oct. 2020, one Nov. 2020, and one Dec. 2020. None of warrants were served on accused attacker until a few days ago. Yes, both parties left school at the end of 2020. What a lack of leadership at the highest levels. Shame.
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Post by johnwilkerson on Aug 24, 2022 16:08:27 GMT -6
So the it happened it November of 2020, reported to the police in December of 2020( after the season) and the kicker did not return the next year. Is that correct? Three arrest warrants were issued: one Oct. 2020, one Nov. 2020, and one Dec. 2020. None of warrants were served on accused attacker until a few days ago. Yes, both parties left school at the end of 2020. What a lack of leadership at the highest levels. Shame. Unless they were kicked off or asked to leave.
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Post by johnwilkerson on Aug 24, 2022 16:17:49 GMT -6
So the it happened it November of 2020, reported to the police in December of 2020( after the season) and the kicker did not return the next year. Is that correct? Neither player returned. I've heard (or read some where) they were both "ushered" out. I believe that you are correct on the dates. The "alleged" harrassment occurred from early September 2020 through the end of that semester. So obviously when someone sues, they are going to sue the people with the deepest pockets. But if this occurred, was reported and investigated and players were removed, I don’t know how the University will be held responsible.
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Post by cornhole on Aug 24, 2022 16:19:39 GMT -6
Neither player returned. I've heard (or read some where) they were both "ushered" out. I believe that you are correct on the dates. The "alleged" harrassment occurred from early September 2020 through the end of that semester. So obviously when someone sues, they are going to sue the people with the deepest pockets. But if this occurred, was reported and investigated and players were removed, I don’t know how the University will be held responsible. Ding, ding, ding! THAT dog may hunt.
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Post by cornhole on Aug 24, 2022 17:04:46 GMT -6
So the it happened it November of 2020, reported to the police in December of 2020( after the season) and the kicker did not return the next year. Is that correct? Three arrest warrants were issued: one Oct. 2020, one Nov. 2020, and one Dec. 2020. None of warrants were served on accused attacker until a few days ago. Yes, both parties left school at the end of 2020. What a lack of leadership at the highest levels. Shame. The truth will out. Let's not jump .......
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Post by buzzlightyear on Aug 24, 2022 17:13:00 GMT -6
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Aug 24, 2022 17:17:01 GMT -6
I am not a lawyer but I think the plaintiff is going to try to show that on earlier occasions he asked for help and found none and so when the sexual assault happened, he is going to try to show the university is negligent in providing his safety. Which if that incident happened after he reported previous assaults to the university police... that's chum in the water for lawyer sharks.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Aug 24, 2022 17:22:58 GMT -6
Will not elaborate on where I saw it....but I have seen the video of alleged pool cue incident and it is nothing like the suit claims. 30+ players in the lounge everyone fully clothed and he was lightly poked on his butt with a pool cue. No insertion, etc, as alleged. All were laughing and the accuser did not look upset and made no issue of it at that time. TU even considering releasing the video to take this head on. Let's allow this to play out through proper channels before we all jump to conclusions. See you in Oxford for the upset and Go Trojans! It doesn't matter how lightly he did it. If I lightly touch your wife in a naughty area what do you think the response would be? You are judging the victim's response in a room of laughing peers? You have no idea how you would react or try to save face if you were sexually assaulted in front of your peers. In fact, what you said just pissed me off even more. I want to know every player in that room that laughed and I want them taken on the field by the current coaching staff and disciplined. This is a horrible example of teammate behavior.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Aug 24, 2022 18:13:45 GMT -6
Have any of you been in a locker room before. Where do we draw the line between fun and abuse......such a fine line these days. I’ve been in a locker room and yeah, jokes happen. This is not a joke. This is a series of bullying events.
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Post by cornhole on Aug 24, 2022 18:33:15 GMT -6
Have any of you been in a locker room before. Where do we draw the line between fun and abuse......such a fine line these days. I’ve been in a locker room and yeah, jokes happen. This is not a joke. This is a series of bullying events. This is a plaintiff lawyer's media release about alleged criminal behavior. I suspect there's much to uncover on the other side of the plaintiff's "facts". What discovery is all about. The truth will out.
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Post by saintflorian on Aug 24, 2022 19:40:08 GMT -6
Be careful what you wish for with all this discovery. Often when one looks in closet, one finds the hidden crap. I’m old enough and been associated enough with business related legal stuff that someone always has more than they show.
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Post by joshboutwell on Aug 25, 2022 8:47:16 GMT -6
I’ve been in a locker room and yeah, jokes happen. This is not a joke. This is a series of bullying events. This is a plaintiff lawyer's media release about alleged criminal behavior. I suspect there's much to uncover on the other side of the plaintiff's "facts". What discovery is all about. The truth will out. It's definitely just "one side" but claiming this is nothing more than a "lawyer's media release" is just not true. These are accusations that are almost word-for-word in his complaint to the police, which led to an arrest.
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Post by saintflorian on Aug 25, 2022 10:20:36 GMT -6
This is a plaintiff lawyer's media release about alleged criminal behavior. I suspect there's much to uncover on the other side of the plaintiff's "facts". What discovery is all about. The truth will out. It's definitely just "one side" but claiming this is nothing more than a "lawyer's media release" is just not true. These are accusations that are almost word-for-word in his complaint to the police, which led to an arrest. I sure wish this kids story was all made up so we can move on. But there is a whole lot of wrong from all involved, especially from the supposed adults, coaches and leaders involved. This has already stained the university. Speaking to a life long friend of the family who has a kid I had been trying to convince to go to Troy, he is a HS senior. Perfect kid, 4.0, 30 on ACT, community and school leader. Told me last night after I asked him which game he wants to come up with us to see, “what is up with assaulting kids with pool sticks up there?” He told me he would let me know, which is a nice way of telling no thanks, he not considering Troy anymore. This situation has already made Troy University the “pool stick assault”college, regardless of what level it actually happened. Why this administration thinks it can fight and make everything go away by taking this to court, revealing every shady detail and decision is beyond me. For me, it’s whether or not Troy wants to be known as the sexual assault with a pool stick University for a couple years or a couple decades. For reference, Florida State was/is known and called “Free Shoes University” for along time just because some football players went on a shopping spree and didn’t pay for some sneakers. Imagine this, in todays internet and media environment concerning assault with a pool cue. Don’t even get started with the negative recruiting this has already started. Some of the same people making the decisions on how to best get out/manage this are the same ones that made decisions that got us into this mess. Scary. 50/50 we come out on the best possible side of this. A lot of possible outcomes, hope and pray. This is a shame. It depressing now.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Aug 25, 2022 10:22:21 GMT -6
Guys. I want to make it clear that I love our school. I am not taking sides against Troy. That being said, it’s my belief that XHCCL lost control (or never had it) of this team. I hope this lawsuit works out. I also hope that if there is some liability on XHCCL’s part that we sue him.
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Post by saintflorian on Aug 25, 2022 10:44:13 GMT -6
Guys. I want to make it clear that I love our school. I am not taking sides against Troy. That being said, it’s my belief that XHCCL lost control (or never had it) of this team. I hope this lawsuit works out. I also hope that if there is some liability on XHCCL’s part that we sue him. Agree. Ditto. Issue is when/what it didn’t stop at XHCCL.
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Post by Possum on Aug 25, 2022 14:27:12 GMT -6
And the damage from coach dip sh*t keeps surfacing…
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Post by buzzlightyear on Aug 25, 2022 15:27:09 GMT -6
I have been an adult for many years. What I am about to say in NO WAY IS A DEFENSE OF ANY AS IN ANY HARASSMENT. But to assume that a school because of the action of one kid is how the school is in fact absurd! If someone tells me something bad about some one I tend to not take it as gospel. The negative recruiting??!! “Go there and get a blank shoved up your blank? ” We don’t want the kid or family who thinks that a gay or any other kind of person is being harassed as a SYSTEMATIC form of behavior of the school or its general Population of students. Being Christian is to love those who ALSO AND MORE IMPORTANTLY are not your friends or see eye to eye with you. Things will come out that MAY AS IN MAY not be flattering to some. However, with responsibility there is always accountability. However, if someone is to say Troy is this way because of the actions of a few is just like shoes university was at FSU which was promoted by several as in this is the way it is here at FSU. There is not a group of kids at Troy or administrators that are saying “yeah will Pool stick you and harass u if u are different. There will always be differences and there will always be preferences by humans. Abuse is not correct and abuse should never be tolerated. All of this will Play out but not knowing some are idiots on campuses everywhere is again absurd.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Aug 25, 2022 15:28:50 GMT -6
Let people talk because they will.
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Post by cornhole on Aug 25, 2022 16:35:14 GMT -6
Let people talk because they will. Make sure they understand BOTH parties were told to "Take a Hike out of Troy". Speaks volumes to me.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Aug 25, 2022 16:58:32 GMT -6
Let people talk because they will. Make sure they understand BOTH parties were told to "Take a Hike out of Troy". Speaks volumes to me. It could go either way. If tossing the victim along with the abuser was the Universities way of dealing with this, then that was incorrect.
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