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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 1, 2019 9:18:25 GMT -6
A lot of parallel thinking here. I agree with nohuddle, call Jon, tell him he gets to have complete control of the D and hire whomever he needs to get the job done. New AD than who was here when he didn’t get the job. I’ll be glad to forward his number to CL. I also agree with Hemi and others that the S&C program appears to be a prob. Some of that is my assumptions based on injuries and performance. Some of that is some of the things I’ve been told they do. This entire season was treated like a re-build to fix prior seasons. If this were 2015, it would be different. Instead Neal Brown and his staff completely rebuilt this program and it’s it been completely torn down due to bad decisions by multiple people. If my math is correct we have 3 defensive and 1 offensive coaches with no D1 experience, that affects on the field and recruiting in a major way. That’s unacceptable in my opinion. I’ve sat back and kept quiet this season on the message board but I’m over it now. We finished worse than we started. There’s nothing positive to build off of. Changes have to happen now or the portal will light up very soon. Yep. Here is our problem AD Brent is new as well and was heavily involved with AD McClain on hiring CL. All the SouthMiss connections. Alot of you were high as kites on him being named AD. We will see how he handles it. Without any law breaking or rules breaking CL is not getting fired. And with AD Brent at the helm CL is not in any danger of being forced to a lot of changing and probably has a long lead. This is the state of Troy football. At this point just pray it gets better, cause that all we got. I think Brent is very driven to succeed. At the end of the day he’s going to do all he can to make sure Troy is successful. He’s not going to sabotage his career to keep to someone that isn’t good for the program. Having said that, we all know nothing at Troy university gets done without passing Jack Hawkins’ desk.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Dec 1, 2019 10:36:44 GMT -6
If you're talking about Sumrall for DC, go for it. If you're talking about Sumrall for HC, sorry, we need to stop gambling on guys with no HC experience. App state seems to be doing well with their First time HC (11-1 and ranked)
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Post by Troystet on Dec 1, 2019 10:43:02 GMT -6
If you're talking about Sumrall for DC, go for it. If you're talking about Sumrall for HC, sorry, we need to stop gambling on guys with no HC experience. App state seems to be doing well with their First time HC (11-1 and ranked) They didn't hire (The HC we don’t speak of) either. Their guy acts like a HC also. We are going to pay a tremendous price for Jeremy McClain and his Golden Chicken fascination
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Post by Troystet on Dec 1, 2019 10:57:40 GMT -6
Troy hasn't hired a HC with prior college head coach experience since 1976. "Gambling' is our thing. That's true. That's how we got Maddox and (The HC we don’t speak of), and that's why we need to stop. Blakeneys and Browns are less common and our luck is running out. It also got us Gailey and Rhodes so it's always a crap shoot. I cringed when (The HC we don’t speak of) was hired and I wasn't wrong. I wasn't overly excited when Neal was hired but as soon as he opened his month I got excited and when his staff was assembled I knew we were going to be on the right track. This staff left me perplexed. We hired a OL/OC coach with very little experience and a DC with basically none. We then hire a SC that was fired. It's like CL was thinking who cares, I'm out of here after I go 11-11 or 12-0. NB was planning on turning the ship around before he was leaving. I am dreading next season
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Post by troyjan95 on Dec 1, 2019 11:09:27 GMT -6
No Bolt for me - was Butch Jones an offensive or defensive guy - Ted Roof is at App State and he has been around - pretty good coach imo Roof a good coach is laughable. App defense was built before he got there. Maybe - but he maintained it. Our guy took a top D in the country and turned it into $h!+
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Post by troyjan95 on Dec 1, 2019 11:10:24 GMT -6
Yep. Here is our problem AD Brent is new as well and was heavily involved with AD McClain on hiring CL. All the SouthMiss connections. Alot of you were high as kites on him being named AD. We will see how he handles it. Without any law breaking or rules breaking CL is not getting fired. And with AD Brent at the helm CL is not in any danger of being forced to a lot of changing and probably has a long lead. This is the state of Troy football. At this point just pray it gets better, cause that all we got. I think Brent is very driven to succeed. At the end of the day he’s going to do all he can to make sure Troy is successful. He’s not going to sabotage his career to keep to someone that isn’t good for the program. Having said that, we all know nothing at Troy university gets done without passing Jack Hawkins’ desk. If it crosses Jack's desk - send the complaints to Brent and Jack - i certainly will.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 1, 2019 11:36:23 GMT -6
Has the possibility of firing (The HC we don’t speak of) even been discussed? Did Brent even ask?
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Post by jonesoxygen on Dec 1, 2019 11:50:05 GMT -6
Final thoughts on this situation. When Neal was hired he retained Wasden, Edenfield and hired Vic. Between the 4 of them they had decades of D1 on the field experience, good, bad or indifferent it was experience. (The HC we don’t speak of) has 5 (half the staff) with a combined 1 season of D1 experience, 3 of those are on the defensive side. (The HC we don’t speak of) himself has 6 years ish of D1 experience. This staff was set up for failure from having to learn the ropes together, fine problem to have at a small school with no expectations. Unfortunately for them, we had very high (rightly so) expectations for this season thanks to what Neal and his staff had done.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Dec 1, 2019 12:13:52 GMT -6
Final thoughts on this situation. When Neal was hired he retained Wasden, Edenfield and hired Vic. Between the 4 of them they had decades of D1 on the field experience, good, bad or indifferent it was experience. (The HC we don’t speak of) has 5 (half the staff) with a combined 1 season of D1 experience, 3 of those are on the defensive side. (The HC we don’t speak of) himself has 6 years ish of D1 experience. This staff was set up for failure from having to learn the ropes together, fine problem to have at a small school with no expectations. Unfortunately for them, we had very high (rightly so) expectations for this season thanks to what Neal and his staff had done. I think this is a good explanation.
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 1, 2019 12:25:00 GMT -6
Final thoughts on this situation. When Neal was hired he retained Wasden, Edenfield and hired Vic. Between the 4 of them they had decades of D1 on the field experience, good, bad or indifferent it was experience. (The HC we don’t speak of) has 5 (half the staff) with a combined 1 season of D1 experience, 3 of those are on the defensive side. (The HC we don’t speak of) himself has 6 years ish of D1 experience. This staff was set up for failure from having to learn the ropes together, fine problem to have at a small school with no expectations. Unfortunately for them, we had very high (rightly so) expectations for this season thanks to what Neal and his staff had done. Good Analysis. Bad look for (The HC we don’t speak of). Typically you bring in a list of guys you would go after and likely get for your staff if hired.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 1, 2019 12:42:36 GMT -6
Our board comments is also bad for recruiting. If I am a parent or a kid I am thinking (The HC we don’t speak of) is probably not going to be here long. If it does not I will be pleasantly surprised
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 1, 2019 13:01:57 GMT -6
Our board comments is also bad for recruiting. If I am a parent or a kid I am thinking (The HC we don’t speak of) is probably not going to be here long. If it does not I will be pleasantly surprised We are sitting in Dairy Queen after church and I was sharing some of the posts and topics since the game with my wife so what follows are her words. . I wish I could get on the board and tell them this: at this point your complaints are not going to help right now. Hopefully (The HC we don’t speak of) will fix what he can at this point. He needs to fire or let go some on the defense. Hopefully he has learned that (if what you say is true) that he will have to work harder. There is nothing that is in his control besides doing that and recruiting the best that he can given what has happened
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 1, 2019 13:16:24 GMT -6
I am also going to add this gem she said yesterday. âI donât understand why Troy played as bad as they did at times unless (The HC we don’t speak of) really isnât a very good coachâ. I think she meant head coach.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 1, 2019 13:51:21 GMT -6
Our board comments is also bad for recruiting. If I am a parent or a kid I am thinking (The HC we don’t speak of) is probably not going to be here long. If it does not I will be pleasantly surprised For some on this board itâs Christmas x10. They couldnât wait to get on here and post 100x about the same Negative things over and over. If notice they only post when itâs bad. Oh well, some folks are just glass half empty people.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Dec 1, 2019 13:59:09 GMT -6
Our board comments is also bad for recruiting. If I am a parent or a kid I am thinking (The HC we don’t speak of) is probably not going to be here long. If it does not I will be pleasantly surprised For some on this board itâs Christmas x10. They couldnât wait to get on here and post 100x about the same Negative things over and over. If notice they only post when itâs bad. Oh well, some folks are just glass half empty people. I see the same ones who post negative also post positive things when Neal was around. Hemi whoâs about the most positive one on here when it pertains to all things Troy isnât exactly happy. Lol
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 1, 2019 14:04:34 GMT -6
Our board comments is also bad for recruiting. If I am a parent or a kid I am thinking (The HC we don’t speak of) is probably not going to be here long. If it does not I will be pleasantly surprised For some on this board itâs Christmas x10. They couldnât wait to get on here and post 100x about the same Negative things over and over. If notice they only post when itâs bad. Oh well, some folks are just glass half empty people. I think itâs a proven fact that losing drives up the post on message boards and social media. Itâs a way of venting for people. Itâs driven by emotion.
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Post by skeeter on Dec 1, 2019 14:13:20 GMT -6
I will say this, if (The HC we don’t speak of) doesnât make a change at DC and he has a season in 2020 like he had this year, his head coaching days will be over before it ever got off the ground. College football has become big business even at Troy and he has to know that. I do believe that with the right DC in place and offense playing as well as it did we have a change to get back to our winning ways, but if there is not a change at DC his head coaching days will be numbered (12 games from what I see). Itâs your move to make (The HC we don’t speak of), that just me saying.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 1, 2019 14:53:21 GMT -6
Recruits are smart enough to see the W-L and watch the pressers. If they aren’t, then I bet they listen to someone who is. This message board will not cause us to lose a 4*. It’s obvious to the universe that there are over 100 better places to play D1 football right now. I think that Troy is being criminally negligent by not properly training football athletes in strength and conditioning. The chairs and steps have nothing on the dangerous field.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 1, 2019 15:07:40 GMT -6
USF fires Charlie Strong and Texas State fires Bob Stitt.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 1, 2019 16:05:20 GMT -6
Final thoughts on this situation. When Neal was hired he retained Wasden, Edenfield and hired Vic. Between the 4 of them they had decades of D1 on the field experience, good, bad or indifferent it was experience. (The HC we don’t speak of) has 5 (half the staff) with a combined 1 season of D1 experience, 3 of those are on the defensive side. (The HC we don’t speak of) himself has 6 years ish of D1 experience.
This staff was set up for failure from having to learn the ropes together, fine problem to have at a small school with no expectations. Unfortunately for them, we had very high (rightly so) expectations for this season thanks to what Neal and his staff had done. This ( Bold Print) resounds of the timing issue brought about by CNB & Staff's late departure. Most new NCAA College staffs were set and the pool of experienced coordinators and coaching folks were no longer available in the off-season merry-go-round. On the other hand, the fan favored Jon Sumrall was a willing candidate with approx. 8 years of D1 Coaching experience and two years as a GA mentoring young linebackers at UK.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 1, 2019 16:09:12 GMT -6
USF fires Charlie Strong and Texas State fires Bob Stitt. And reports are USC has or will fire Clay Helton. I'm not sure if you were making an observation that those two coaches had been fired, therefore, firing a coach is possible, or you were suggesting they are available. If the latter, Helton is the only coach to be fired at this point that should even raise an eyebrow, let alone be considered.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 1, 2019 16:31:19 GMT -6
USF fires Charlie Strong and Texas State fires Bob Stitt. And reports are USC has or will fire Clay Helton. I'm not sure if you were making an observation that those two coaches had been fired, therefore, firing a coach is possible, or you were suggesting they are available. If the latter, Helton is the only coach to be fired at this point that should even raise an eyebrow, let alone be considered. Oh Lord, there's more: Joey Knight ✔ @tbtimes_Bulls Now that it's official, I'll share this: I have learned Willie Taggart is very interested in returning to #USF should the opportunity arise. Uncomfortable spot for him because he's very close with Charlie Strong, but he loves Tampa. 457 3:36 PM - Dec 1, 2019
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Post by troyjan95 on Dec 1, 2019 17:28:43 GMT -6
I'm cool with Charlie Strong running the defensive side of the ball
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 1, 2019 18:01:40 GMT -6
Rumor grapetreevine has it that buzzlightyear is currently in Troy, lobbying for Joey Freshwater, to be the next head coach at Troy.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 1, 2019 18:42:34 GMT -6
I'm cool with Charlie Strong running the defensive side of the ball I'm cool with Charlie Strong as HC at this point. Wish we could do a straight up trade with USF.
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