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Post by Trojan Warrior on Jan 21, 2016 19:33:28 GMT -6
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2016 6:51:17 GMT -6
Ridiculous move on the part of the NCAA and this will only heighten resentment with the general student population. They get 100% of their schooling paid including books. What about players at the D2 level who might only get their room and board covered under scholarship? No reason that athletes need stipends IMO and I was one. Is Troy going to raise student fees on the regular students to pay for this?
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Post by sting on Jan 22, 2016 7:47:52 GMT -6
Ridiculous move on the part of the NCAA and this will only heighten resentment with the general student population. They get 100% of their schooling paid including books. What about players at the D2 level who might only get their room and board covered under scholarship? No reason that athletes need stipends IMO and I was one. Is Troy going to raise student fees on the regular students to pay for this? No they all don't get 100 percent of their schooling paid for.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2016 7:53:26 GMT -6
D1 is allotted 85 full scholarships. Ok, walk ons aren't getting their school paid. You travel around 56-58 players, 22 start, so yes, they are getting their school paid for. FCS is allowed 65, D2 35 and D3 zero. You dress 56 for a d2 game with 35 scholarships, yes, some of those guys are only getting a portion paid for.
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Jan 22, 2016 9:39:33 GMT -6
Ridiculous move on the part of the NCAA and this will only heighten resentment with the general student population. They get 100% of their schooling paid including books. What about players at the D2 level who might only get their room and board covered under scholarship? No reason that athletes need stipends IMO and I was one. Is Troy going to raise student fees on the regular students to pay for this?
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Jan 22, 2016 12:52:57 GMT -6
I used to be 100% against this but schools and coaches make so much money it was a matter of time before the students starting getting some too.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2016 13:10:07 GMT -6
I used to be 100% against this but schools and coaches make so much money it was a matter of time before the students starting getting some too. You mean athletes. The student drowning in student loans and working to pay rent doesn't get a cent
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2016 13:11:55 GMT -6
Ridiculous move on the part of the NCAA and this will only heighten resentment with the general student population. They get 100% of their schooling paid including books. What about players at the D2 level who might only get their room and board covered under scholarship? No reason that athletes need stipends IMO and I was one. Is Troy going to raise student fees on the regular students to pay for this? When you pay your kids way to college, maybe you will understand when you see it from the other perspective
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 22, 2016 13:18:02 GMT -6
This is going to happen. We don't have to internalize and make everything personal. I'm not necessarily for it, but The NCAA has allowed it, Troy will participate, and it helps even the playing field in recruiting. It puts wins and losses into a new light...
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2016 13:21:21 GMT -6
This is going to happen. We don't have to internalize and make everything personal. I'm not necessarily for it, but The NCAA has allowed it, Troy will participate, and it helps even the playing field in recruiting. It puts wins and losses into a new light... Realize that. I'm saying its a stupid move on the part of the NCAA
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 22, 2016 13:31:07 GMT -6
This is going to happen. We don't have to internalize and make everything personal. I'm not necessarily for it, but The NCAA has allowed it, Troy will participate, and it helps even the playing field in recruiting. It puts wins and losses into a new light... Realize that. I'm saying its a stupid move on the part of the NCAA Why?
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2016 13:39:37 GMT -6
Because you get your school paid 100%. Meals, housing, tuition, books etc. why should they get $2,500 a semester to piss away when 90% of the school is graduating with student debt and working jobs to pay their rent. Any athlete is not better than any other student IMO
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 22, 2016 14:02:33 GMT -6
Because you get your school paid 100%. Meals, housing, tuition, books etc. why should they get $2,500 a semester to piss away when 90% of the school is graduating with student debt and working jobs to pay their rent. Any athlete is not better than any other student IMO I agree that there are reasons not to add additional monies on top of what is already given. But, being that revenue-generating sports are what they are, the time-restrictions that they present; I'd rather see them assisting SAs with some pocket change than seeing them resort to other means to get it.
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Post by sting on Jan 22, 2016 14:03:33 GMT -6
Because you get your school paid 100%. Meals, housing, tuition, books etc. why should they get $2,500 a semester to piss away when 90% of the school is graduating with student debt and working jobs to pay their rent. Any athlete is not better than any other student IMO You realize there are scholarship athletes that don't get 100 percent of everything covered? You do realize that athletes can't work jobs and need money for laundry, clothes, etc?
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Jan 22, 2016 16:00:57 GMT -6
So now the athletic scholarship has been deemed greater than the academic scholarship? It seems that way.
So because we had one group of students (the athletes) that complained they needed money because they helped advertise the school (among other reasons), they just get their way on it? What about the students (the high-grade earners) that advertise the university through high GPA's, research, graduation rate, and job placement?
And don't tell me athletes can't work. There were football players at Troy that worked. One of our cornerbacks from 2007 (Chris Bowens) worked in the main admin building, and a DE (RJ Roberts) also worked admin in another building. It was probably 12-hour a week jobs, which is usually enough to cover things like laundry, clothes, and fun stuff. To give $2500-$3000 to a student is outrageous, and if you think that's an okay number, then you need your brain checked.
I received a full-ride academic scholarship, and yet I didn't receive any money except what paid for my tuition, books, and housing. I had to work a part-time job to buy clothes and other personal items. Why is the student-athlete any different? And this has nothing to do with sour grapes, because I was perfectly fine with never receiving extra money. I instead was able to learn how to manage my time and balance school, work, and free time.
TheAmericanDream has probably never sniffed a scholarship and doesn't know what it's like... which is why he had the audacity to post that ridiculous picture.
As far as Troy goes, I'm glad they are putting effort out there to be competitive with the big schools. My beef isn't with them.
As far as the NCAA goes, it was a stupid move by them and they caved in to pressure by students and lawyers.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2016 16:01:59 GMT -6
Tell me one thing that a scholarship football player does not get covered? Tuition, room and board and books are covered. Yes, I know they can't work. Same rule we had in D2 with most players getting tuition or room only. D2 players aren't getting these stipends now. So you need money if your a D1 player but not as FCS, D2 or D3?
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2016 16:03:08 GMT -6
So now the athletic scholarship has been deemed greater than the academic scholarship? It seems that way. So because we had one group of students (the athletes) that complained they needed money because they helped advertise the school (among other reasons), they just get their way on it? What about the students (the high-grade earners) that advertise the university through high GPA's, research, graduation rate, and job placement? I received a full-ride academic scholarship, and yet I didn't receive any money except what paid for my tuition, books, and housing. I had to work a part-time job to buy clothes and other personal items. Why is the student-athlete any different? And this has nothing to do with sour grapes, because I was perfectly fine with never receiving extra money. I instead was able to learn how to manage my time and balance school, work, and free time. TheAmericanDream has probably never sniffed a scholarship and doesn't know what it's like... which is why he had the audacity to post that ridiculous picture. As far as Troy goes, I'm glad they are putting effort out there to be competitive with the big schools. My beef isn't with them. As far as the NCAA goes, it was a stupid move by them and they caved in to pressure by students and lawyers. My point. Well said This is called a cost of attendance stipend? No where does it say profit sharing etc. so if your an athlete that gets a full ride you need $2,500 a semester spending money. Everybody else, you don't need squat
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Post by sting on Jan 22, 2016 17:04:53 GMT -6
Tell me one thing that a scholarship football player does not get covered? Tuition, room and board and books are covered. Yes, I know they can't work. Same rule we had in D2 with most players getting tuition or room only. D2 players aren't getting these stipends now. So you need money if your a D1 player but not as FCS, D2 or D3? Laundry; gas, clothes, which is why it's called cost of attendance. The cost of attending college above and beyond the scholarship. And again, football players are not the only athletes and not all athletes are on 100 percent. And for the guy complaining about athletic scholarships more important than academic; yup. Guess what pal, life ain't fair and all things are not created equal.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2016 17:12:05 GMT -6
Tell me one thing that a scholarship football player does not get covered? Tuition, room and board and books are covered. Yes, I know they can't work. Same rule we had in D2 with most players getting tuition or room only. D2 players aren't getting these stipends now. So you need money if your a D1 player but not as FCS, D2 or D3? Laundry; gas, clothes, which is why it's called cost of attendance. The cost of attending college above and beyond the scholarship. And again, football players are not the only athletes and not all athletes are on 100 percent. And for the guy complaining about athletic scholarships more important than academic; yup. Guess what pal, life ain't fair and all things are not created equal. Every student has those expenses and not every athlete is dirt poor. Sorry, I'm a former college athlete and I was no better than any other student and to say a athletic scholarship is more important than a academic is ridiculous.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 22, 2016 17:44:22 GMT -6
Laundry; gas, clothes, which is why it's called cost of attendance. The cost of attending college above and beyond the scholarship. And again, football players are not the only athletes and not all athletes are on 100 percent. And for the guy complaining about athletic scholarships more important than academic; yup. Guess what pal, life ain't fair and all things are not created equal. Every student has those expenses and not every athlete is dirt poor. Sorry, I'm a former college athlete and I was no better than any other student and to say a athletic scholarship is more important than a academic is ridiculous. Times...they are a-changing...
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2016 17:50:47 GMT -6
That they are
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Post by sting on Jan 22, 2016 18:37:21 GMT -6
Laundry; gas, clothes, which is why it's called cost of attendance. The cost of attending college above and beyond the scholarship. And again, football players are not the only athletes and not all athletes are on 100 percent. And for the guy complaining about athletic scholarships more important than academic; yup. Guess what pal, life ain't fair and all things are not created equal. Every student has those expenses and not every athlete is dirt poor. Sorry, I'm a former college athlete and I was no better than any other student and to say a athletic scholarship is more important than a academic is ridiculous. And the other students have the ability to get jobs ... Nobody said they were better people; just those scholarships or more valuable.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2016 18:59:59 GMT -6
Every student has those expenses and not every athlete is dirt poor. Sorry, I'm a former college athlete and I was no better than any other student and to say a athletic scholarship is more important than a academic is ridiculous. And the other students have the ability to get jobs ... Nobody said they were better people; just those scholarships or more valuable. And some of these students are working to pay rent and graduating with $20,000-$50,000 in debt. I'm sure they would like $2,500 a semester to piss away anyway they wanted
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Post by sting on Jan 22, 2016 19:09:32 GMT -6
And the other students have the ability to get jobs ... Nobody said they were better people; just those scholarships or more valuable. And some of these students are working to pay rent and graduating with $20,000-$50,000 in debt. I'm sure they would like $2,500 a semester to piss away anyway they wanted Should have been a better football player then
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Post by Redwaver on Jan 22, 2016 20:05:41 GMT -6
And the other students have the ability to get jobs ... Nobody said they were better people; just those scholarships or more valuable. And some of these students are working to pay rent and graduating with $20,000-$50,000 in debt. I'm sure they would like $2,500 a semester to piss away anyway they wanted Since students on academic scholarships actually bring in very little if any money to the university during their tenure there, the same can't be said about athletes. They generate revenue via their scholarship in most cases. In the case of the SEC, $500+ million in 2015. But why does an athlete who spends their extra money "piss it away" but academic students are frugal? It's all speculation, frustrations and opinions, whatever, it's a done deal! I've got to stop reading this stuff....!
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