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Post by jonesoxygen on Nov 22, 2021 9:21:24 GMT -6
Hiring Jon Sumrall would probably lead some of the players to stick around as well... guys like Carlton Martial, Jayden McDonald, Dell Pettus, Will Choloh... all of those impact players who were here under Neal Brown. I'm worried Troy could lose a lot of star talent to the portal because of (The HC we don’t speak of) being fired and because of the crappy season. Solid point, Jon was 100% responsible for getting Carlton here
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Post by psychotrojan07 on Nov 22, 2021 9:45:30 GMT -6
Not specifically about a coaching candidate but about the job in general. This time around itâs different than when (The HC we don’t speak of) was hired. This is definitely more of a rebuild. Someone is going to have to come in and change the culture, recruit their tails off, and organize a team that seems to be left in far worse shape than before. That being said, there is some talent to work with and hopefully some hungry players will stick around for the rebuild. When (The HC we don’t speak of) was hired I had the expectation of winning immediately. With Neal it was more of a âpatiently waiting for progressâ situation. I think this time itâs somewhere in between. So far, I like both Sumrall and Ansley (the two that seem to be the favorites at the moment) but no one can really be sure that either would be successful. Guys that look good on paper fail all the time and vice versa. Regardless of who is next, Iâm glad that the current era is ending! Troy has the talent to win next year and compete for the Sunbelt. Nobody thinks otherwise. I do think we have the talent to compete. But will it stay through a change? Iâm just saying that thereâs going to be a bit of a cleanup job and Iâm not going to hold it against whoever comes in for year 1. With (The HC we don’t speak of), my expectations were win now. With this hire, Im willing to give them a year as long as there is visible improvement.
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Post by cornhole on Nov 22, 2021 9:53:57 GMT -6
lol. Unfortunately Hawkins will not be out of the process. cornhole just totally dislike your post. You are right.
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Post by chattvalleytrojan on Nov 22, 2021 10:35:13 GMT -6
Keep an eye on Kentucky linebackers coach Jon Sumrall, the Wildcats’ co-defensive coordinator, a Huntsville native. He’s on a lot of athletic directors’ radars because of how well thought of he is in coaching circles. He had been a key assistant for Brown. He earned the title of assistant head coach in addition to his role coaching linebackers and working as special teams coordinator as Brown rebuilt the Trojans program. He has also been a very good recruiter for Stoops. We expect Sumrall, 41, to get a head coaching job soon. AMAZING!!! All the people that Are paid for their educated opinion on college football have one guy at the top of the list for Troy. One anonymous poster(Troyflowsaintrider) who had his feelings hurt by Brent Jones hates the Sumrall idea because if will be a solid hire by Brent. The biggest think I would like if Sumrall would be hired is that it should bring a lot of Troy momentum to North Alabama which is badly needed. Troy is an after thought up here.
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Post by crawlspace13 on Nov 22, 2021 10:49:32 GMT -6
Troy has the talent to win next year and compete for the Sunbelt. Nobody thinks otherwise. I do think we have the talent to compete. But will it stay through a change? This is in no way a dig at any of the players, but realistically, where would they go if they enter the portal? The vast majority of our players aren't sought after or in possession of skills so great other FBS programs want to snatch them up. How does transferring work now? Would someone have to sit a year if they transfer? For most of these guys a change in staff at Troy isn't really any different than a change to a staff somewhere else. There's also the actual academic side to things. They aren't just playing football and there's something to be said for being happy with your academic trajectory/environment/professors, plus any social ties they have on campus.
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Post by Mr. Ho on Nov 22, 2021 10:49:36 GMT -6
Keep an eye on Kentucky linebackers coach Jon Sumrall, the Wildcats’ co-defensive coordinator, a Huntsville native. He’s on a lot of athletic directors’ radars because of how well thought of he is in coaching circles. He had been a key assistant for Brown. He earned the title of assistant head coach in addition to his role coaching linebackers and working as special teams coordinator as Brown rebuilt the Trojans program. He has also been a very good recruiter for Stoops. We expect Sumrall, 41, to get a head coaching job soon. AMAZING!!! All the people that Are paid for their educated opinion on college football have one guy at the top of the list for Troy. One anonymous poster(Troyflowsaintrider) who had his feelings hurt by Brent Jones hates the Sumrall idea because if will be a solid hire by Brent. The biggest think I would like if Sumrall would be hired is that it should bring a lot of Troy momentum to North Alabama which is badly needed. Troy is an after thought up here. Right now, TMTDM is currently an afterthought in Pike County.
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Post by cornhole on Nov 22, 2021 11:00:53 GMT -6
The biggest think I would like if Sumrall would be hired is that it should bring a lot of Troy momentum to North Alabama which is badly needed. Troy is an after thought up here. Right now, TMTDM is currently an afterthought in Pike County. For once I agree with you 100%! These clowns here in Pike are 'Barn & 'Bammer "Fans"and likely always will be.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 22, 2021 11:37:10 GMT -6
For now (this week and maybe a month “Let’s Go Brandon Hall. !!!!!
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Post by The Cardinal Rule on Nov 22, 2021 14:49:21 GMT -6
Is the school going to set up a search committee or will the AD just interview candidates then make a hire?
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Post by jonesoxygen on Nov 22, 2021 14:54:57 GMT -6
Hartwell formed a committee when Neal was hired. McClain did not and hired (The HC we don’t speak of). I feel like it was all based on timing. LB announced early on that he was retiring, Neal was horrible timing, this one is cutting it close with early signing period so I'm guessing Brent will handle it.
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Post by Grant on Nov 22, 2021 15:01:22 GMT -6
Heard from a source close to Brent Jones that Sumrall doesn't want the job unless it's guaranteed his. If they're going to explore other options, he's not interested.
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Post by saintflorian on Nov 22, 2021 15:16:09 GMT -6
Heard from a source close to Brent Jones that Sumrall doesn't want the job unless it's guaranteed his. If they're going to explore other options, he's not interested. So your saying, if AD Jones and Hawkins did their due diligence, studied, surveyed and interviewed their top candidates, and upon their review offered the job to Sumrall, he would turn it down because they looked and reviewed other candidates?
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 22, 2021 15:20:06 GMT -6
Heard from a source close to Brent Jones that Sumrall doesn't want the job unless it's guaranteed his. If they're going to explore other options, he's not interested. Well that is not how any process should work. I am not against him but that is not how this works or should.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 22, 2021 15:35:18 GMT -6
Is the school going to set up a search committee or will the AD just interview candidates then make a hire? I have talked with several very important high profile former players (not me) that are insisting to be on the search and trust me, they need to at least listen to these players. From my understanding they will be in on it.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 22, 2021 15:38:35 GMT -6
Heard from a source close to Brent Jones that Sumrall doesn't want the job unless it's guaranteed his. If they're going to explore other options, he's not interested. Well that is not how any process should work. I am not against him but that is not how this works or should. I agree but I kind of understand his point after they screwed him over last time. This is the job he wants and he will get an offer from a school. I'm sure he doesn't want to take another one if he can get Troy or miss out on one because they go for another "has been" SEC cordinator. Not saying I agree but if true I understand
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Post by crawlspace13 on Nov 22, 2021 16:01:10 GMT -6
Heard from a source close to Brent Jones that Sumrall doesn't want the job unless it's guaranteed his. If they're going to explore other options, he's not interested. Well that is not how any process should work. I am not against him but that is not how this works or should. I could understand him taking a "you know me, what I bring, and what I want, so don't jerk me around and draw this out overly long" type of stance. It's not unreasonable to think the powers that be have been planning for this and at least have some ideas already of what/who they want.
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Post by troyfan on Nov 22, 2021 16:18:51 GMT -6
Heard from a source close to Brent Jones that Sumrall doesn't want the job unless it's guaranteed his. If they're going to explore other options, he's not interested. What source is that? You must not know the sumralls competitive nature. There are always other candidates for any job, football or accounting.
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Post by Troy_Fan_15 on Nov 22, 2021 16:29:43 GMT -6
Well that is not how any process should work. I am not against him but that is not how this works or should. I could understand him taking a "you know me, what I bring, and what I want, so don't jerk me around and draw this out overly long" type of stance. It's not unreasonable to think the powers that be have been planning for this and at least have some ideas already of what/who they want. Honestly if that is who Jones and Hawkins like they just need to go ahead and hire him and let's move on. Having a coach with signing day coming up is real important.
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Post by cornhole on Nov 22, 2021 16:38:57 GMT -6
Heard from a source close to Brent Jones that Sumrall doesn't want the job unless it's guaranteed his. If they're going to explore other options, he's not interested. So your saying, if AD Jones and Hawkins did their due diligence, studied, surveyed and interviewed their top candidates, and upon their review offered the job to Sumrall, he would turn it down because they looked and reviewed other candidates? Yeah makes no sense here. I don't think any qualified up and comer would be laying down rules at this point.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 22, 2021 16:51:10 GMT -6
Heard from a source close to Brent Jones that Sumrall doesn't want the job unless it's guaranteed his. If they're going to explore other options, he's not interested. That is Steve Spurrier or Bobby Bowden type demands. It is my understanding that Coach Sumrall is at minimum open to having a conversation with Troy University. I can't predict that they will come to terms but I think Coach Sumrall is not going to be a rock star prima donna that only wants green M&Ms.
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Post by cornhole on Nov 22, 2021 16:55:23 GMT -6
Heard from a source close to Brent Jones that Sumrall doesn't want the job unless it's guaranteed his. If they're going to explore other options, he's not interested. That is Steve Spurrier or Bobby Bowden type demands. It is my understanding that Coach Sumrall is at minimum open to having a conversation with Troy University. I can't predict that they will come to terms but I think Coach Sumrall is not going to be a rock star prima donna that only wants green M&Ms.That is NOT the Jon Sumrall that was here with HCNB.
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Post by troy79 on Nov 22, 2021 17:01:03 GMT -6
This is only my opinion, but my guess is the decision has been made and will be announced following the games this coming weekend. We will likely have our coach by next Monday. He will fly to campus, with his family, and be introduced to the Trojan Nation. I do wish Coach (The HC we don’t speak of) the best, in his 20+ years of coaching, he has never been anywhere this long (3 seasons).
Look on the calendar for November 29 to meet our next Coach. With early recruiting in December, we can't be passive, we must be proactive!
By the way, Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Go TROY!
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Post by Grant on Nov 22, 2021 17:37:19 GMT -6
After looking at some film, I REALLY like Ansley.
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Post by TrojanFanatic on Nov 22, 2021 18:06:30 GMT -6
This is only my opinion, but my guess is the decision has been made and will be announced following the games this coming weekend. We will likely have our coach by next Monday. He will fly to campus, with his family, and be introduced to the Trojan Nation. I do wish Coach (The HC we don’t speak of) the best, in his 20+ years of coaching, he has never been anywhere this long (3 seasons). Look on the calendar for November 29 to meet our next Coach. With early recruiting in December, we can't be passive, we must be proactive! By the way, Happy Thanksgiving to all! Go TROY! I think your timeline's off......I think we get a coach sooner rather than later, but less than a week is absolutely stretching the rubber band to it's thinnest point
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Post by cornhole on Nov 22, 2021 18:15:26 GMT -6
Why would Derrick Ansley make the move??
1) He's one of the highest paid DB Coaches in the NFL, earning a cool $1+ mill a year with Oakland after leaving Tennesee, where he grossed $1 Mill a year. His current salary with the Chargers is reported between $1 > $2 Mill. annually. Other NFL Coaches at his level earn up to $3 mill.
2) He's never been under the pressure of a HC and has not demonstrated the skills and intangibles required for the Job. A HC is the top manager of all facets of the Football Program, internal affairs, external affairs and PR, Press and Stakeholder relationships etc. I'm not convinced that he's a personality fit for the job.
3) Derrick's role in the NFL requires no recruiting, limited after/additional hours in the off season and minimal headaches. He focuses on what he's good at. Why would he want to take on the headaches of an NCAA HC when he's doing quite well where he is.
4) Risk. He's got a bright future in the NFL just doing his thing. Come to Troy, take on the headaches for a lateral salary shift, and possible fail... No security in NCAA Football these days. Nah, Derrick's no dummy.
5) The only draw for Derrick, IMO , is sentimental attachment to Troy U and he and his wife live closer to home.
I just don't see it.
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