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Post by Troystet on Sept 5, 2014 5:40:37 GMT -6
I understand what preacher is saying and I can assure you he is not the only fan that feels this way. I know of 4 alumni and former teammates who were going to make a 17 hour round trip drive to the Duke game. After the UAB blow out they cancelled. You can call them fair weather or not, but the fact is people aren't going to pack stands, give money or support a inferior product. There are some of us that will always go to the games but the majority fall into what preacher feels. The longer we keep putting a undisciplined, inferior team on the field the more fans and supporters we lose. Don't believe me, think back to,the FAU game in 2011, how many fans were there? About 10,000 less than announced. You can lose fans with one bad season or game but it might take three seasons to win them back. That's the reality whether we like it or not.
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Post by preacher on Sept 5, 2014 6:38:33 GMT -6
I understand what preacher is saying and I can assure you he is not the only fan that feels this way. I know of 4 alumni and former teammates who were going to make a 17 hour round trip drive to the Duke game. After the UAB blow out they cancelled. You can call them fair weather or not, but the fact is people aren't going to pack stands, give money or support a inferior product. There are some of us that will always go to the games but the majority fall into what preacher feels. The longer we keep putting a undisciplined, inferior team on the field the more fans and supporters we lose. Don't believe me, think back to,the FAU game in 2011, how many fans were there? About 10,000 less than announced. You can lose fans with one bad season or game but it might take three seasons to win them back. That's the reality whether we like it or not. I am not stopping financial support. I would be there if I thought we could be competitive. We got woodshedded in the opening game to our biggest rival. Coach you had all summer to game plan for Clark. He is running the same things he did at Opelika and Jax State. Your only excuse for embarrassing our athletes and school is "We were not prepared" - "We got woodshedded" give me a break. I just expect better out of the coaches there is no excuse for what happened last week. Except they may have spent the summer prepping for Duke and were very foolish in overlooking UAB. Either way Saturday was on the coaches. Call me unreasonable but I expect grown men to do their job.
I have to be present in sad situations for my calling. I don't have to be present when the college program I love dies. Saturday did something to me I think. LOL! I am not sure talking about is making it any better.
Go Trojans!! Here is to a better game Saturday. Here is to right decisions being made if our coaches have embarrassed us again. Go Trojans!!
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 5, 2014 6:53:12 GMT -6
I understand what preacher is saying and I can assure you he is not the only fan that feels this way. I know of 4 alumni and former teammates who were going to make a 17 hour round trip drive to the Duke game. After the UAB blow out they cancelled. You can call them fair weather or not, but the fact is people aren't going to pack stands, give money or support a inferior product. There are some of us that will always go to the games but the majority fall into what preacher feels. The longer we keep putting a undisciplined, inferior team on the field the more fans and supporters we lose. Don't believe me, think back to,the FAU game in 2011, how many fans were there? About 10,000 less than announced. You can lose fans with one bad season or game but it might take three seasons to win them back. That's the reality whether we like it or not. In a nutshell that is a fair weather fan. Probably falls right in line with them coming based upon more of who the opponent is rather than coming to watch Troy. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 5, 2014 7:00:29 GMT -6
I understand what preacher is saying and I can assure you he is not the only fan that feels this way. I know of 4 alumni and former teammates who were going to make a 17 hour round trip drive to the Duke game. After the UAB blow out they cancelled. You can call them fair weather or not, but the fact is people aren't going to pack stands, give money or support a inferior product. There are some of us that will always go to the games but the majority fall into what preacher feels. The longer we keep putting a undisciplined, inferior team on the field the more fans and supporters we lose. Don't believe me, think back to,the FAU game in 2011, how many fans were there? About 10,000 less than announced. You can lose fans with one bad season or game but it might take three seasons to win them back. That's the reality whether we like it or not. I am not stopping financial support. I would be there if I thought we could be competitive. We got woodshedded in the opening game to our biggest rival. Coach you had all summer to game plan for Clark. He is running the same things he did at Opelika and Jax State. Your only excuse for embarrassing our athletes and school is "We were not prepared" - "We got woodshedded" give me a break. I just expect better out of the coaches there is no excuse for what happened last week. Except they may have spent the summer prepping for Duke and were very foolish in overlooking UAB. Either way Saturday was on the coaches. Call me unreasonable but I expect grown men to do their job.
I have to be present in sad situations for my calling. I don't have to be present when the college program I love dies. Saturday did something to me I think. LOL! I am not sure talking about is making it any better.
Go Trojans!! Here is to a better game Saturday. Here is to right decisions being made if our coaches have embarrassed us again. Go Trojans!!
There will be differences in this weeks game and preparation. Whether that translates onto the field remains to be seen. Comparing the death or illness of a human being to losing a game to UAB is extremely shallow. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 5, 2014 10:58:56 GMT -6
That's idiotic and closed minded. That's never been a valid deterrent for the person providing the opinion... Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk I completely agree that it's hypocritical to avoid Troy games because if alcohol but not every other establishment that sells it. I do think, if security does not stay on top I every incident where drunkenness ruins the experience of other fans, then it will be a publicity issue thus a money issue. Drink and behave and there should be no problems. This country today has bigger problems that a Bud Light!
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 5, 2014 11:10:02 GMT -6
Can't starve our players for an inability to tackle. They are students then athletes. Just picking at you preacher. Say a prayer for all of us. I think I'll have a beer. I will and have been! My wife looked at me Saturday night and said you just missed an afternoon getting upset about something you have no control over. Like a dagger. I will continue to support financially because I want to see the program advanced and the students do well. I am just at a stage in my life if the college game has lost its entertainment value (poor non competitive games) for the family I have better things to do. Because I can't get my time back. The kiddos are only in the house for a little while. You are right about the kids. One of mine is gone and it's not the same. They're like snowflakes, here only briefly!:-(
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Post by jerichojohnny on Sept 5, 2014 11:42:42 GMT -6
I know a lot of you here take a lot of pride in being "true" fans and going to every game, rain or shine, win or lose, hot or cold, but I it doesn't do any good to berate those who are more choosy with their attendance, particularly when we have so few fans of any stripe. Distance, money, time, and sheer predilection all weigh in as factors for many of us who love and support the Trojans but don't place it as the center of our existences (not saying all of you do, although some make me wonder).
For right now I am still intending on heading to Troy tomorrow. I am less concerned with our performance (I expect us to be handily beaten) than I am with the actual weather. I guess I am a literal fair weather fan, rather than a figurative one. I MIGHT be willing to go stand in the rain wearing a poncho if it's a big game, but I also have the missus to think about, who cares almost nothing for football, and whose willingness to humor my own interest (and I can't say I'm a "sports nut" so to speak) probably ends at getting drenched watching a losing effort in Troy, Alabama. That said, I love making it to Troy once or twice a year for games. I love the campus, the pageantry, the fanfare, the Band, the majorettes, etc. I'm also a booster, who has held season tickets in the past and continues to support and promote his humble university.
I hope they've improved the cups this year. That's really what we all want most. That and a nice new polo shirt.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 5, 2014 11:43:17 GMT -6
I understand what preacher is saying and I can assure you he is not the only fan that feels this way. I know of 4 alumni and former teammates who were going to make a 17 hour round trip drive to the Duke game. After the UAB blow out they cancelled. You can call them fair weather or not, but the fact is people aren't going to pack stands, give money or support a inferior product. There are some of us that will always go to the games but the majority fall into what preacher feels. The longer we keep putting a undisciplined, inferior team on the field the more fans and supporters we lose. Don't believe me, think back to,the FAU game in 2011, how many fans were there? About 10,000 less than announced. You can lose fans with one bad season or game but it might take three seasons to win them back. That's the reality whether we like it or not. In a nutshell that is a fair weather fan. Probably falls right in line with them coming based upon more of who the opponent is rather than coming to watch Troy. I think I'll have a beer. I for one won't judge them. Not everyone is going to accept anything Troy does and attend games whether they are 0-12 or 12-0. Do I wish it was different, of course, but I am a realist and I know why people lose interest or don't support it. It is like Stephen Spielberg making really lousy movies the last 3 years and making the worst movie of his career to start this year. Do we expect people to flock to the theaters because he made ET, Jaws and Indiana Jones in the past? You can't expect fans to be like you Hemi. I admire and truly appreciate your devotion and loyalty to Troy, but you are the exception and not the norm fan wise. I will continue to do everything I can to get old teammates and friends involved in Troy, but I am hearing more and more that they are fed up and want change.
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Post by jerichojohnny on Sept 5, 2014 11:57:07 GMT -6
"You can't expect fans to be like you Hemi. I admire and truly appreciate your devotion and loyalty to Troy, but you are the exception and not the norm fan wise. I will continue to do everything I can to get old teammates and friends involved in Troy, but I am hearing more and more that they are fed up and want change."
This is reasonable. What movie are you referring to though? I looked and didn't see anything on his filmography...never been a huge fan. A couple good ones for sure though.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 5, 2014 12:03:17 GMT -6
Just used as an analogy. Best I know he's never made a bad movie. To expensive to go to a movie anymore. I'm a redbox, netflix fan
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 5, 2014 12:16:31 GMT -6
YES, we need all the one, two or three game a year fans we can get ! Heck we need all the zero game fans that send money and buy Troy gear we can get !
Agree consistently berating fans that don't attend every game or even question the direction of the program is hurtful. Drives current and potential supporters (at whatever level) away.
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Post by trojanocean on Sept 5, 2014 12:41:05 GMT -6
YES, we need all the one, two or three game a year fans we can get ! Heck we need all the zero game fans that send money and buy Troy gear we can get ! Agree consistently berating fans that don't attend every game or even question the direction of the program is hurtful. Drives current and potential supporters (at whatever level) away. I would think a "true" fan would know this. Apparently, "true" fans don't. And yes, it hurts the program as much as those who say do less with more.
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Post by doug4troy on Sept 5, 2014 13:01:50 GMT -6
I fully support everyone's right to attend, or not attend a game for whatever reason. It's your time and money, you can certainly do with it what you like.
However, I will say that I am disappointed that some come on this board and indicate that the student athletes that work hard as students, AND as athletes, owe any of us wins if they want us to actually show up and cheer for them. A good Troy crowd is what the hope for and what they deserve. I can't make most away games, but they sure appreciate those that do.
Not attending because of children, I can relate because I missed a ton of games when the kids were younger. Just be careful when you indicate that the reason you aren't attending is because the players just don't win enough.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 5, 2014 13:35:25 GMT -6
"You can't expect fans to be like you Hemi. I admire and truly appreciate your devotion and loyalty to Troy, but you are the exception and not the norm fan wise. I will continue to do everything I can to get old teammates and friends involved in Troy, but I am hearing more and more that they are fed up and want change." This is reasonable. What movie are you referring to though? I looked and didn't see anything on his filmography...never been a huge fan. A couple good ones for sure though. YES, we need all the one, two or three game a year fans we can get ! Heck we need all the zero game fans that send money and buy Troy gear we can get ! Agree consistently berating fans that don't attend every game or even question the direction of the program is hurtful. Drives current and potential supporters (at whatever level) away. YES, we need all the one, two or three game a year fans we can get ! Heck we need all the zero game fans that send money and buy Troy gear we can get ! Agree consistently berating fans that don't attend every game or even question the direction of the program is hurtful. Drives current and potential supporters (at whatever level) away. I would think a "true" fan would know this. Apparently, "true" fans don't. And yes, it hurts the program as much as those who say do less with more. I don't ever remember asking anyone on here to be like me. Now it appears as though some of you might have gotten your feeling hurt. Well, my response to that is life is tough, get a helmet. If calling the fair weather fans what they are is berating someone, than I am most certainly guilty. Apparently some of you think you know me, but I do not know you. So you have that over on me. However, I'm not real concerned with alienating a potential fan on this message board. If you get your feelings hurt here there's very little chance of you ever buying into a program like Troy without some kind of ties to the university. Now I've butted heads with DT84, Redwaver, and TroyStet on many occasions, but I consider them all to be friends. I fully expect all 3 to stop by the tailgate tomorrow. We don't have to agree on everything for us all to be Trojans. However, if you are over there crying about Troy losing to UAB and how we suck constantly, I'm going to point it out and laugh at you at the same time. Somewhere you guys found a True Fan App and are putting it to use. I have no idea what the criteria for being one is, but why are you concerned with anyone's else's fandom. Now I will continue to promote the Trojan Warrior program every opportunity I get. Not because I love this coach or this guys really nice, but because it is the backbone of Troy athletics. It's the only way for Troy to reach it's potential that we all desperately seek for the Trojans in each and every sport. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 5, 2014 13:46:42 GMT -6
No feelings hurt here Hemi and at one time I did wear a helmet lol and if you read my post I said I admire and appreciate your dedication to Troy. And yes, I will stop by the tailgate as always. Unfortunately they moved the T-Club tent to tailgate terrace. I liked where we were so I'll have to see How I like it over there?? Friends always and and Go Troy!!!!
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Post by TrojanFanatic on Sept 5, 2014 14:03:52 GMT -6
I was really hoping to make it to this game....but I've gotta attend a wedding or my wife will kill me
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Post by Troystet on Sept 5, 2014 14:16:01 GMT -6
I was really hoping to make it to this game....but I've gotta attend a wedding or my wife will kill me Tell her you can go to a wedding anytime but this is the only time Troy will play Duke at home. Let me know how that works lol
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Post by TrojanFanatic on Sept 5, 2014 14:25:38 GMT -6
I was really hoping to make it to this game....but I've gotta attend a wedding or my wife will kill me Tell her you can go to a wedding anytime but this is the only time Troy will play Duke at home. Let me know how that works lol I'd rather live to watch more Troy football, thanks though
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Post by Mark Gainey on Sept 5, 2014 14:47:59 GMT -6
Time with my four kids is precious, too. That's why I'll be there WITH them! I only get 6 home games a year to travel to Troy, so I'm going to take it every chance I can! I'm going with no expectations other than to be hoarse as I preach the next morning! Go Trojans!
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 5, 2014 14:57:08 GMT -6
I was really hoping to make it to this game....but I've gotta attend a wedding or my wife will kill me Come On to the game, visit Hemis Scamper Juice then go home and tell the missus to lock and load!:-)
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Post by Possum on Sept 5, 2014 15:40:38 GMT -6
Troystet I'll be over with Hemi and his crew... Just ask him where possum is.
That goes for anybody that wants to come say howdy.
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Post by Spiritual Trojan on Sept 5, 2014 15:57:09 GMT -6
For the record so that no one accuses me of being a fair weather fan, I will be at the game tomorrow.
That being said, I view football as a form of entertainment, not a moral imperative. According to Mr. Webster, "entertainment: amusement or pleasure that comes from watching a performer, playing a game, etc." That being said can someone explain to me using logic other than "because its Troy and your not a true fan otherwise" why I would continually spend several hundred dollars 5-6 weekends a year to so sit through something that does not bring me "amusement or pleasure?" Now if the team (players and coaches) was competitive and did not keep making the same mistakes year after year that lead to losing or neutral seasons and it seemed like things were getting better then it would many would mostly make the trip hoping for another Missouri or Okie st. After seeing the UAB game it seems to many fans that this year is just going to be another sad year for Troy football and spending several hundred dollars or a GAME that is supposed to be ENTERTAINING does not seem like the best investment for their hard earned dollars.
I really hope that the players and coaches have turned things around between last Saturday and tomorrow. I think tomorrow will set the trend for this season for both the team and the fans. If we win or are very competitive then I think the team will be fired up and will do very well this, I also think it will stoke the embers in many fans back into flames. If we get blow out I think the team will be very demoralized and it will be almost impossible to right the ship this year and attendance and donations will continue to suffer.
Go Troy Go
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 5, 2014 16:17:22 GMT -6
For the record so that no one accuses me of being a fair weather fan, I will be at the game tomorrow.
That being said, I view football as a form of entertainment, not a moral imperative. According to Mr. Webster, "entertainment: amusement or pleasure that comes from watching a performer, playing a game, etc." That being said can someone explain to me using logic other than "because its Troy and your not a true fan otherwise" why I would continually spend several hundred dollars 5-6 weekends a year to so sit through something that does not bring me "amusement or pleasure?" Now if the team (players and coaches) was competitive and did not keep making the same mistakes year after year that lead to losing or neutral seasons and it seemed like things were getting better then it would many would mostly make the trip hoping for another Missouri or Okie st. After seeing the UAB game it seems to many fans that this year is just going to be another sad year for Troy football and spending several hundred dollars or a GAME that is supposed to be ENTERTAINING does not seem like the best investment for their hard earned dollars.
I really hope that the players and coaches have turned things around between last Saturday and tomorrow. I think tomorrow will set the trend for this season for both the team and the fans. If we win or are very competitive then I think the team will be fired up and will do very well this, I also think it will stoke the embers in many fans back into flames. If we get blow out I think the team will be very demoralized and it will be almost impossible to right the ship this year and attendance and donations will continue to suffer.
Go Troy Go When TROY was winning 5 titles, the donations were suffering, but we all reaped the benefits. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's fair for fans to give back while they struggle...it's only fair.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 5, 2014 16:58:12 GMT -6
For the record so that no one accuses me of being a fair weather fan, I will be at the game tomorrow.
That being said, I view football as a form of entertainment, not a moral imperative. According to Mr. Webster, "entertainment: amusement or pleasure that comes from watching a performer, playing a game, etc." That being said can someone explain to me using logic other than "because its Troy and your not a true fan otherwise" why I would continually spend several hundred dollars 5-6 weekends a year to so sit through something that does not bring me "amusement or pleasure?" Now if the team (players and coaches) was competitive and did not keep making the same mistakes year after year that lead to losing or neutral seasons and it seemed like things were getting better then it would many would mostly make the trip hoping for another Missouri or Okie st. After seeing the UAB game it seems to many fans that this year is just going to be another sad year for Troy football and spending several hundred dollars or a GAME that is supposed to be ENTERTAINING does not seem like the best investment for their hard earned dollars.
I really hope that the players and coaches have turned things around between last Saturday and tomorrow. I think tomorrow will set the trend for this season for both the team and the fans. If we win or are very competitive then I think the team will be fired up and will do very well this, I also think it will stoke the embers in many fans back into flames. If we get blow out I think the team will be very demoralized and it will be almost impossible to right the ship this year and attendance and donations will continue to suffer.
Go Troy Go When TROY was winning 5 titles, the donations were suffering, but we all reaped the benefits. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's fair for fans to give back while they struggle...it's only fair. I think you give what you can when you can. If it's once a month, once a year, once a decade, just give. If you want to go to a game, go ! To everyone, to just the home games or to just the homecoming. If you love it, do it ! I contribute and go to the games but I have a buddy who lives half way around the world who can't attend. This does not make him any less of a fan nor does it diminish his right to voice his thoughts in the program. Everyone should respect everyone thoughts regardless if you agree it disagree. We should not care if a Troy supporter goes to one game or all the games. We just should want them to support Troy and get their friends to also.
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Post by Spiritual Trojan on Sept 5, 2014 17:50:53 GMT -6
For the record so that no one accuses me of being a fair weather fan, I will be at the game tomorrow.
That being said, I view football as a form of entertainment, not a moral imperative. According to Mr. Webster, "entertainment: amusement or pleasure that comes from watching a performer, playing a game, etc." That being said can someone explain to me using logic other than "because its Troy and your not a true fan otherwise" why I would continually spend several hundred dollars 5-6 weekends a year to so sit through something that does not bring me "amusement or pleasure?" Now if the team (players and coaches) was competitive and did not keep making the same mistakes year after year that lead to losing or neutral seasons and it seemed like things were getting better then it would many would mostly make the trip hoping for another Missouri or Okie st. After seeing the UAB game it seems to many fans that this year is just going to be another sad year for Troy football and spending several hundred dollars or a GAME that is supposed to be ENTERTAINING does not seem like the best investment for their hard earned dollars.
I really hope that the players and coaches have turned things around between last Saturday and tomorrow. I think tomorrow will set the trend for this season for both the team and the fans. If we win or are very competitive then I think the team will be fired up and will do very well this, I also think it will stoke the embers in many fans back into flames. If we get blow out I think the team will be very demoralized and it will be almost impossible to right the ship this year and attendance and donations will continue to suffer.
Go Troy Go When TROY was winning 5 titles, the donations were suffering, but we all reaped the benefits. So, as far as I'm concerned, it's fair for fans to give back while they struggle...it's only fair. Its also fair for the people who have invested in the team to expect a return on their investment. Coming out of a three year stretch without a winning season and going into (if things are what they appear to be) a fourth non-winning season tends to make even the more faithful question the value of their investment. If football is now a business, as many say it is, then it is only fair for the investors (fans) in the business (Troy football) to question if their investment is being well spent when the promised results (winning season) have not come to fruition... it's only fair.
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