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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 1, 2014 19:30:19 GMT -6
Would love a little insight on your expertise in recruiting in 2014. This is not 1960 or even 1995. High school games are regularly televised on ESPN. Kids are holding press conferences to announce their commitment. Not their signing. Just their verbal commitment. Six plus years ago Troy had the best facilities, the highest paid coach and staff, and what amounted to a full time recruiting coordinator. Now we are middle of the pack or worse on all those things. Social media is littered with student athletes talking about how bored they are in Troy. There is a movement to make that better, but it's a sloe process. That movement will also make game weekends in Troy more enjoyable and more of a college town atmosphere. Now, some want us to recruit south Florida more. Well, an 18 year old that grew up in Miami, Ft Lauderdale, or Orlando is going to be bored to death in Troy. So you better have some top notch facilities to get his or her attention. Certain higher ups have spewed, the look at what we accomplished with less, speech for years. The message that sends is that we don't need your donation we can do it without you. The worst sales speech in the world. We are losing an arms race, that everyday that goes by without dirt moving on that endzone facility puts us that much further behind. Those that give to athletics exclusively are continuously hounded by the academic side for money. They aren't doing their homework to see if those people have any affinity to give to academics. They see they give to athletics so they start after them for a gift to their side. The problems at Troy are deep and aren't going to be fixed with firing a coach. When the time comes for coach Blakeney to be replaced there better be a commitment to spend some real money on a staff and facilities or days like Aug 30 in Birmingham will become the norm. I think I'll have a beer. Hemi, you want who's "expertise in recruiting"? Not sure who you are referring to in you opinion or who you want a response from. You had two opinions from two different people in your quote, neither addresses recruiting in the pieces. Mainly your sarcasm at the hick town of Troy. I'm pretty excited about what's in store for the future of the city of Troy along with the university. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 1, 2014 19:33:01 GMT -6
JH has hinted the endzone project will start soon. JH has hinted the endzone project will start soon. How long has that been hinted at now? I don't care when it starts, but until then, bring in someone/something that will have an impact. Breaking ground anytime before the end of the 15 season would be best case scenario. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 1, 2014 19:42:55 GMT -6
I need someone to tell me why we have 0 under center plays? The only thing that has done scat for us was having Franklin then riding what he fixed for a bit. Eddedfield is awful. I don't recall ever going under center when TF was here either...I've seen Louisville do it a few times tonight. Can't see where it would hurt, but we just don't do it. I personally don't think he's terrible, but he's not TF...not many are.
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Sept 1, 2014 20:02:31 GMT -6
What I saw on the field had nothing to do with recruiting, facilities, or Troy. I saw a bunch of players that weren't a TEAM. Attitude overcomes a lot of obstacles; desire overcomes a lot of talent
Recruiting --- How do we recruit? I hope we aren't just looking at CD's someone sends in or reading SCOUT.com. Is someone going out to 2A, 3A, and 4A schools or are we just looking at bigger schools? Do we have a relationship with the local coaches in a reasonable radius of Troy? There's talent at small schools as well.
Facilities -- There are tons of high school players that would love to play at our level. We're not going to compete with Alabama or Auburn for the top recruits in the country. Compared to Barbour county High School Troy looks like paradise. I'm pretty sure I don't want the kid that thinks he too good to suit up in Troy's locker room. Go find the kid that's just under the big boys radar and wants to suit up anywhere and loves the game and wants to win. Train him to be a player.
Get a different method of sending in signals. It is TOO EASY to figure out. If an opposing team wants to figure out the signals they can do in the first quarter. At a minimum you know whether it is a pass or run.
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Post by TrojanFanatic on Sept 1, 2014 20:04:11 GMT -6
JH has hinted the endzone project will start soon. How long has that been hinted at now? I don't care when it starts, but until then, bring in someone/something that will have an impact. Breaking ground anytime before the end of the 15 season would be best case scenario. I think I'll have a beer. Best case is great, but what happens when it doesn't happen? Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't this supposed to have broke ground last year or before? Call me whatever you want, and yea, I haven't got into the Trojan Warriors yet, but I will. I just want the wins to come back in.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 1, 2014 20:11:44 GMT -6
What I saw on the field had nothing to do with recruiting, facilities, or Troy. I saw a bunch of players that weren't a TEAM. Attitude overcomes a lot of obstacles; desire overcomes a lot of talent
Recruiting --- How do we recruit? I hope we aren't just looking at CD's someone sends in or reading SCOUT.com. Is someone going out to 2A, 3A, and 4A schools or are we just looking at bigger schools? Do we have a relationship with the local coaches in a reasonable radius of Troy? There's talent at small schools as well.
Facilities -- There are tons of high school players that would love to play at our level. We're not going to compete with Alabama or Auburn for the top recruits in the country. Compared to Barbour county High School Troy looks like paradise. I'm pretty sure I don't want the kid that thinks he too good to suit up in Troy's locker room. Go find the kid that's just under the big boys radar and wants to suit up anywhere and loves the game and wants to win. Train him to be a player.
Get a different method of sending in signals. It is TOO EASY to figure out. If an opposing team wants to figure out the signals they can do in the first quarter. At a minimum you know whether it is a pass or run.
Excellent post trojanfan2
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 1, 2014 20:20:12 GMT -6
I've never heard any specific time given on starting the facility other than when ever the money is raised.
What are you talking about someone calling you a name?
I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by doug4troy on Sept 1, 2014 20:36:34 GMT -6
I need someone to tell me why we have 0 under center plays? The only thing that has done scat for us was having Franklin then riding what he fixed for a bit. Eddedfield is awful. I don't recall ever going under center when TF was here either...I've seen Louisville do it a few times tonight. Can't see where it would hurt, but we just don't do it. I personally don't think he's terrible, but he's not TF...not many are. I always thought we should have at least 1 or 2 plays under center for short yardage situations. But they claim the QB/center exchange is a concern. Good to see a great turnout for Louisville on a Monday night. Their fans showed up even though it's a weekday game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by scatman on Sept 1, 2014 20:42:26 GMT -6
How much are the stadium upgrades supposedly going to cost, and how much has supposedly been raised?
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 1, 2014 21:01:07 GMT -6
JH has hinted the endzone project will start soon. How long has that been hinted at now? I don't care when it starts, but until then, bring in someone/something that will have an impact. Breaking ground anytime before the end of the 15 season would be best case scenario. I think I'll have a beer. The sarcasm was fun aimed at all the excuses! After last Saturday I needed to smile....at something! We've had great athletes in the past and they came to Troy! The town was rural, the atmosphere was country and that's not going to change anytime soon. If you know differently you have a real scoop! My point in the sarcasm was if it's not one excuse it's another so I want all the excuses taken care of but then LB retires and NO COACH will come to the "hick" town. I just wonder how on earth we ever got Sherill, Cory, JJ, Ware, Tynes, Betterson, McKelvin, etc., etc to come here. I've not made comments about recruiting but since you asked I have talked to coaches that I know and use to work with and Troy is not a frequent visitor to a lot of great football schools. I know when recruiting it grates some to mention a state other than Alabama as having great athletes but on a national broadcast recently the former major college coach/announcer said " if you are going to play competitive D1 football you had better recruit Florida, Texas and California so some on here are not alone in their thoughts about the hot beds. Oh, you are right, it's not the 60's or 90's but you still get a lot of kids the same way, you sell them AND THEIR PARENTS on the value you offer for their education at your university. I don't think every kid or their parents are to worried a lot about how many party spots there are in a town when making these choices. If they do they are the ones not around too long. When my daughter chose a school, on our entire list of wishes, party sites was nowhere to be found! I don't know our personnel situations as it relates to scouting so I have no idea how efficiently we cover these areas. Maybe you have that information and you can enlighten us. I hear we are short handed but I don't make Sisters!
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Post by TrojanFanatic on Sept 1, 2014 21:25:22 GMT -6
I've never heard any specific time given on starting the facility other than when ever the money is raised. What are you talking about someone calling you a name? I think I'll have a beer. I figured someone would call me negative or saying that I'm not passionate for my team, etc. I thought that a date was announced early on after the project was announced. I'm not saying that it's not needed by any means but if it's so far off then lets do something that will have an impact. If 2015 is BEST case, what's worst case? 2020? I understand that once the money is raised it'll be started, but it's lean economic times and money is scarce.
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Post by scatman on Sept 1, 2014 23:46:13 GMT -6
If you get someone with burgers, you have to keep them with burgers. Maybe we should sell them on the fact it is, despite the rural setting (not a bad thing by any means) a fun place to be, and to make friends, and have a good college experience. Sell people on small class sizes, teachers who care, and a place to get involved in a lot less trouble than you could at Bammer or Barn.
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Post by scatman on Sept 1, 2014 23:51:04 GMT -6
And Hemi, the reason we got them, was because they were (idk about Osi or Lawrence) talented, but neglected by Barn or Bammer. Heck, Ware grew up in Auburn. They had a (The HC we don’t speak of) on their shoulder to prove they were better than a scouting report said. Give me a team of ragtag kids from Brantley or Goshen or heck, Georgiana over a 5 star recruit from hoover who thinks he's entitled to start because espn 300 told him so. People from small schools generally don't play because their main goal is to make a living out of it. It's because they love the game and have a passion for it.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 2, 2014 0:08:17 GMT -6
Breaking ground anytime before the end of the 15 season would be best case scenario. I think I'll have a beer. The sarcasm was fun aimed at all the excuses! After last Saturday I needed to smile....at something! We've had great athletes in the past and they came to Troy! The town was rural, the atmosphere was country and that's not going to change anytime soon. If you know differently you have a real scoop! My point in the sarcasm was if it's not one excuse it's another so I want all the excuses taken care of but then LB retires and NO COACH will come to the "hick" town. I just wonder how on earth we ever got Sherill, Cory, JJ, Ware, Tynes, Betterson, McKelvin, etc., etc to come here. I've not made comments about recruiting but since you asked I have talked to coaches that I know and use to work with and Troy is not a frequent visitor to a lot of great football schools. I know when recruiting it grates some to mention a state other than Alabama as having great athletes but on a national broadcast recently the former major college coach/announcer said " if you are going to play competitive D1 football you had better recruit Florida, Texas and California so some on here are not alone in their thoughts about the hot beds. Oh, you are right, it's not the 60's or 90's but you still get a lot of kids the same way, you sell them AND THEIR PARENTS on the value you offer for their education at your university. I don't think every kid or their parents are to worried a lot about how many party spots there are in a town when making these choices. If they do they are the ones not around too long. When my daughter chose a school, on our entire list of wishes, party sites was nowhere to be found! I don't know our personnel situations as it relates to scouting so I have no idea how efficiently we cover these areas. Maybe you have that information and you can enlighten us. I hear we are short handed but I don't make Sisters! Excellent post, redwaver
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 2, 2014 5:25:46 GMT -6
And Hemi, the reason we got them, was because they were (idk about Osi or Lawrence) talented, but neglected by Barn or Bammer. Heck, Ware grew up in Auburn. They had a (The HC we don’t speak of) on their shoulder to prove they were better than a scouting report said. Give me a team of ragtag kids from Brantley or Goshen or heck, Georgiana over a 5 star recruit from hoover who thinks he's entitled to start because espn 300 told him so. People from small schools generally don't play because their main goal is to make a living out of it. It's because they love the game and have a passion for it. In some cases that is very true. Also, we have some small school kids on the roster right. Some played this past Saturday at UAB as true freshmen. There's part of that youth thing I pointed out. However, if we have a 5 star kid wanting to come to Troy let's go ahead and bring him on in. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 2, 2014 5:45:15 GMT -6
Recruiting is SELLING the player on being wanted by that school, the chance to play early, building a relationship with that player and his parents, getting yourself out there in front of the high school coaches and building relationships with them, getting on the road and going to where the talent is. Coach Jeff Mcinerney recruited me and all the players we had from Florida and a bunch from Alabama during our 80's heyday. Coach Mac was aggressive, he traveled from Pensacola to Miami recruiting. He made you feel like the most important player in the country, he stayed in touch, his favorite saying was "Fire up baby, Troy wants you". That is how you win recruits, we fell in love with Troy because of Coach Mac. I don't see a Coach Mac or a Johnny Williams right now. I see relying on a stupid camp and a love affair with left over juco players.
Akron U. Is doing this right now in Florida. I was born in Akron and have a lot of family there. It is a large, old, dirty town that is but cold in the winter. So how are they getting kids from Florida to go all the way up there to play? Selling them on they are wanted, playing time and relationships. They are building for the future and will be MAC champs I predict within 2 years.
If recruiting is all about giving a tour of a locker room then we just found our recruiting coordinator....hire the best realator in Troy and we will do open houses on the weekend.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 2, 2014 6:46:12 GMT -6
For three years people have been firing and retiring Blakeney and his staff. I wonder how you sell that to a high school recruit with offers from everywhere.
I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 2, 2014 7:37:03 GMT -6
Hasn't effected Ark St who have had 4 different coaches here lately.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 2, 2014 7:40:32 GMT -6
Hasn't effected Ark St who have had 4 different coaches here lately. Fans hadn't called for the extraction of any coach since Roberts left...The $EC called them...and MWC.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 2, 2014 7:46:21 GMT -6
True, but their getting players to come in and stay with a revolving coaches door. Part of college football. I don't think anyone thinks that Troy will fire the coach the field is named after, and Troy never fires a coach...they resign?
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 2, 2014 8:02:31 GMT -6
True, but their getting players to come in and stay with a revolving coaches door. Part of college football. I don't think anyone thinks that Troy will fire the coach the field is named after, and Troy never fires a coach...they resign? If you think JH doesn't make the unpopular decisions the job requires, you might want to talk with a few of our ex-coaches. Much respect to him for doing it in a respectful way. I do not believe LB is immune. He's going to do what's in the best interests of TROY and I believe that.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 2, 2014 8:02:35 GMT -6
True, but their getting players to come in and stay with a revolving coaches door. Part of college football. I don't think anyone thinks that Troy will fire the coach the field is named after, and Troy never fires a coach...they resign? Winning and moving a lot of dirt in Jonesboro. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 2, 2014 8:05:19 GMT -6
True, but their getting players to come in and stay with a revolving coaches door. Part of college football. I don't think anyone thinks that Troy will fire the coach the field is named after, and Troy never fires a coach...they resign? Winning and moving a lot of dirt in Jonesboro. I think I'll have a beer. The Winning causes the moving dirt part.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 2, 2014 8:07:04 GMT -6
True, but their getting players to come in and stay with a revolving coaches door. Part of college football. I don't think anyone thinks that Troy will fire the coach the field is named after, and Troy never fires a coach...they resign? If you think JH doesn't make the unpopular decisions the job requires, you might want to talk with a few of our ex-coaches. Much respect to him for doing it in a respectful way. I do not believe LB is immune. He's going to do what's in the best interests of TROY and I believe that. Murphy was under Dennis. The only one under JH was Davis and maybe Lancaster? I have to disagree with you on LB not being immune. The stupidest thing we ever did was name a field after a active coach. So if you did fire him, you now have a field named after a coach you just fired. Not saying he doesn't deserve it, but it should have been gone after he left.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 2, 2014 8:12:35 GMT -6
Winning and moving a lot of dirt in Jonesboro. I think I'll have a beer. The Winning causes the moving dirt part. For some reason after 5 conference championships at Troy it didn't. I think I'll have a beer.
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