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Post by scatman on Aug 30, 2014 15:24:38 GMT -6
Well once you prove you can play and quit using underdog as your crutch and realize no one cares either way, you'll win. And when you win, you'll get more fans. And when you get more fans, you get more money. I understand the need of funds, but you can't rely on a few people to make the majority of donations. Play hard and win and show us you're deserving of our hard earned money. Lord knows the coach shouldn't be making what he is.
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Post by saintflorian on Aug 30, 2014 15:52:06 GMT -6
48 - 10 against UAB is not because of a small town or a scatty field house. It is just not. Yes they do not help but that is shady reasoning. It because of old and stale coaching from the HC on down
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Post by saintflorian on Aug 30, 2014 15:52:41 GMT -6
Post a link to the board on his Twitter account. It just goes to show that you CAN turn your program around without having the greatest facilities in the South. I agree it nice....and helpful....,but NOT NECESSARY! This is an Amen
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Post by saintflorian on Aug 30, 2014 15:54:57 GMT -6
What's the problem then, Hemi? Honest question. I really want to know. So I'm not trying to antagonize you but honestly, speak the heck up! What is the problem then Hemi! Share your thoughts realistically. We'll get back to all the 'nothing but positive" later but just once, yield what you think is causing the issue and don't veil the references. Well for starters when Troy was at the top of the Sun Belt, they were also at the top of the Sun Belt in recruiting rankings. Now I know everyone points outs that the coaches recruit the players and that is absolutely true. They are working just as hard as they ever had, but we aren't getting the players we were able to get in the past. Obviously the first thing you see is the upgrades in facilities around the conference. Even ULM is moving dirt and making upgrades. So if you are behind in facilities what do you do attract quality players? You can sell them on things to do in your town to make up for the lack of facilities. You can't really do that in Troy. The football stadium is very nice, but they are only in there a maximum of 6 days a year when it matters. So will a new coach be able to come and recruit a bunch of 4 stars and win? Who knows. That time is coming very soon and we all know it. Remember everyone wanting Corey replaced with a mobile quarterback? I see today that we might missing Corey and Eric a lot more than people thought in the beginning. All in all it's one game and we have to lick our wounds, team and fans, and get ready for Duke. I think I'll have a beer. Yes we need updated facilities. But you are selling out on the players talent we have now. We have the talent on the roster NOW to beat UAB and win the Belt.
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Post by Redwaver on Aug 30, 2014 16:01:28 GMT -6
Well once you prove you can play and quit using underdog as your crutch and realize no one cares either way, you'll win. And when you win, you'll get more fans. And when you get more fans, you get more money. I understand the need of funds, but you can't rely on a few people to make the majority of donations. Play hard and win and show us you're deserving of our hard earned money. Lord knows the coach shouldn't be making what he is. Well let's see! First of all UAB came to play, we didn't. That's on the coaches!! UAB's QB couldn't throw a lick but we never adjusted. Coaching! We got destroyed at the line of scrimmage. Maybe they were that much better than us. We almost never met their running back in the backfield, No penetration on defense. Cause? Coaching or lack of skills, not sure. I'm frustrated with using the city of Troy as an excuse for recruiting. It's a small southern town, was 40 years ago, still was 20 years ago...continued to be 10 years ago, is now and probably will still been in 2030 so we have to get past that. I look at Kansas and wonder why anyone would go there to play...flat and cold but that coach recruits somehow. Facilities? Ok we build a palace but it's still in a small southern town. Ask the previous great Troy players what brought them to Troy. I think arguing over whether Rowell got ripped or Bolt is no better is like spitting into the wind. Obviously NEITHER got or is getting the job done! Offensively today showed we missed the passing skills of Cory but we did/do need mobility at QB! Today was a complete and total frustration mainly because we have become accustomed to "waiting for next year"! Why hand off the ball 5 yards deep to gain 1 yard on 4th down? Why kick a FG attempt inside your 20 with time running out in the half when you're behind by a bunch and you need less than a yard. I'm sure there are good answers but darn if I see them but being an armchair QB is easy however this is not a program on the rise and today we got a lesson on what improvements can be made in one year. Since they play in a rust bucket I suppose it was the city size that did it! Sic!!!!! SCREAM HERE!!!!!
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Post by discophobia on Aug 30, 2014 16:01:51 GMT -6
Ughhh!!! It is sad for me in Mobile to watch South Alabama a program on the rise and gaining fans while we are sinking faster than a ship full of rocks in Mobile Bay.....I love Larry, but it is way past time for a change.
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Post by Hemi Man on Aug 30, 2014 16:08:50 GMT -6
Well for starters when Troy was at the top of the Sun Belt, they were also at the top of the Sun Belt in recruiting rankings. Now I know everyone points outs that the coaches recruit the players and that is absolutely true. They are working just as hard as they ever had, but we aren't getting the players we were able to get in the past. Obviously the first thing you see is the upgrades in facilities around the conference. Even ULM is moving dirt and making upgrades. So if you are behind in facilities what do you do attract quality players? You can sell them on things to do in your town to make up for the lack of facilities. You can't really do that in Troy. The football stadium is very nice, but they are only in there a maximum of 6 days a year when it matters. So will a new coach be able to come and recruit a bunch of 4 stars and win? Who knows. That time is coming very soon and we all know it. Remember everyone wanting Corey replaced with a mobile quarterback? I see today that we might missing Corey and Eric a lot more than people thought in the beginning. All in all it's one game and we have to lick our wounds, team and fans, and get ready for Duke. I think I'll have a beer. Yes we need updated facilities. But you are selling out on the players talent we have now. We have the talent on the roster NOW to beat UAB and win the Belt. Not selling anyone out. Telling the truth. The talent level isn't where it was a few years back and other teams have improved their talent. We are who we are and I will support them at each and every game. Apparently we aren't good enough to beat UAB. We really weren't competitive after the first drive. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Aug 30, 2014 16:18:49 GMT -6
Eddenfield making a 4th and 1 a 4th and 6 soley due to having 0 non shotgun plays on the books is enough for him to never coach another game at troy for me but he is on the Sunday buffet crew. Nothing will ever change.
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Post by pcbtrojan on Aug 30, 2014 16:43:36 GMT -6
So how bad is our offensive line. Or is the young QB too indecisive. Wasn't able to listen to the game. Also it sounds like our d line isn't much better than last year.
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Post by Troystet on Aug 30, 2014 17:19:01 GMT -6
Talent level not good enough I Hear? Maybe because Brian Turner left and he was recruiting the Right areas of Florida, Tony Franklin was also a recruiter. To much using a stupid camp for recruiting and to much time recruiting juco 's. Get your tails into the talent areas of Florida, Georgia and Texas.
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Post by goe1975 on Aug 30, 2014 18:59:46 GMT -6
I got the feeling last year that Larry had already retired in his own mind. To start off the season against your biggest instate rival and say you weren't prepared. That is pathetic. This could be an ugly season.
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Post by flockofoscars on Aug 30, 2014 22:12:09 GMT -6
PLEASE OH PLEASE don't blame the facilities or the fans. Hemi I like what you do for the program but come on admit that it was coaching. I've defended Blakeney for last 2 years but what I saw was SO bad. He's done. UAB has much worse facilities and fans but guess what the wooped us. I could accept losing by a little but they destroyed us. Out problem is not complacent fans or bad facilities it is our Head Coach and his staff. GO TROJANS forever but I'm done with Blakeney.
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Post by Hemi Man on Aug 30, 2014 22:38:47 GMT -6
Blame lies with coaches and players. No one is exempt. Losing in the manner we did today won't be tolerated by the people that make the decisions.
Some asked my opinion early and I gave it. Some of you don't like that. Nothing new there. It is what it is. If any of you are quitting on this team after game one I will gladly take any unused tickets you may have and put them to good use.
I know it hurts some feelings on here when it's pointed out that firing Rowell fixed nothing. As a matter of fact the defense has gotten worse. That in an of it's self should tell you that there are many problems and they is no magical cure all pill.
I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Hemi Man on Aug 30, 2014 22:42:59 GMT -6
I'm not very confident that Troy will hire a head coach that is worth a crap. It wouldn't surprise me if we hired some crap OC or DC simply because he has ties to either Troy or Hartwell. I'm not very confident that Troy will hire a head coach that is worth a crap. It wouldn't surprise me if we hired some crap OC or DC simply because he has ties to either Troy or Hartwell. After botching the softball hire I can agree with this. What hire has failed so far? What are you judging the softball hire being a failure on? They have yet to play a game. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by jerichojohnny on Aug 30, 2014 22:46:16 GMT -6
It added insult to injury this evening, that, while watching the FSU game and flipping through ESPN Magazine as a brief diversion from that anxiety-inducing-nail-biter of a game, I saw that ESPN had us ranked approximately 12 teams above dead-last New Mexico State in their overall rankings, and UAB was one of the teams in between, about 6 spots above last. So we lost to one of the worst 10 teams in FBS today and weren't even "ranked" high before that.
But I'll be at Duke next week ready to cheer. At least until it becomes a bloodbath, which of course I hope it doesn't. But how could it not?
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Post by Hemi Man on Aug 30, 2014 22:50:55 GMT -6
It added insult to injury this evening, that, while watching the FSU game and flipping through ESPN Magazine as a brief diversion from that anxiety-inducing-nail-biter of a game, I saw that ESPN had us ranked approximately 12 teams above dead-last New Mexico State in their overall rankings, and UAB was one of the teams in between, about 6 spots above last. So we lost to one of the worst 10 teams in FBS today and weren't even "ranked" high before that. But I'll be at Duke next week ready to cheer. At least until it becomes a bloodbath, which of course I hope it doesn't. But how could it not? Let's hope a mountain of adversity brings out the best in our Trojans! I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by flockofoscars on Aug 30, 2014 22:58:47 GMT -6
Blame lies with coaches and players. No one is exempt. Losing in the manner we did today won't be tolerated by the people that make the decisions. Some asked my opinion early and I gave it. Some of you don't like that. Nothing new there. It is what it is. If any of you are quitting on this team after game one I will gladly take any unused tickets you may have and put them to good use. I know it hurts some feelings on here when it's pointed out that firing Rowell fixed nothing. As a matter of fact the defense has gotten worse. That in an of it's self should tell you that there are many problems and they is no magical cure all pill. I think I'll have a beer. Of course I have not given up on my team and don't act like I have. The Rowell firing did nothing I agree but the head coach is the problem not those around him. I like Blakeney but last year should have been his last year. I don't agree with the whole calling him fat like some on here are doing I just think he's complacent. We need a new era
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Post by flockofoscars on Aug 30, 2014 23:00:26 GMT -6
It added insult to injury this evening, that, while watching the FSU game and flipping through ESPN Magazine as a brief diversion from that anxiety-inducing-nail-biter of a game, I saw that ESPN had us ranked approximately 12 teams above dead-last New Mexico State in their overall rankings, and UAB was one of the teams in between, about 6 spots above last. So we lost to one of the worst 10 teams in FBS today and weren't even "ranked" high before that. But I'll be at Duke next week ready to cheer. At least until it becomes a bloodbath, which of course I hope it doesn't. But how could it not? Beth Mullins may be young but we need to give her a chance before saying it was a bad hire lol I don't know why he said that
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Post by Hemi Man on Aug 30, 2014 23:06:03 GMT -6
Blame lies with coaches and players. No one is exempt. Losing in the manner we did today won't be tolerated by the people that make the decisions. Some asked my opinion early and I gave it. Some of you don't like that. Nothing new there. It is what it is. If any of you are quitting on this team after game one I will gladly take any unused tickets you may have and put them to good use. I know it hurts some feelings on here when it's pointed out that firing Rowell fixed nothing. As a matter of fact the defense has gotten worse. That in an of it's self should tell you that there are many problems and they is no magical cure all pill. I think I'll have a beer. Of course I have not given up on my team and don't act like I have. The Rowell firing did nothing I agree but the head coach is the problem not those around him. I like Blakeney but last year should have been his last year. I don't agree with the whole calling him fat like some on here are doing I just think he's complacent. We need a new era I have no idea what you are doing. I have no idea who you are. People can call names all they want. Emotions are high and people are frustrated. Everyone deals with it differently. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by scatman on Aug 30, 2014 23:32:16 GMT -6
Although I'm very frustrated with the game today, I have to say that I find it very funny reading people's posts. Everyone (including myself) is like the teenage girl wanting to go to the party and Hemi is the mom going "no, not today. Maybe sometime. But not today"
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Post by Redwaver on Aug 31, 2014 5:46:37 GMT -6
Blame lies with coaches and players. No one is exempt. Losing in the manner we did today won't be tolerated by the people that make the decisions. Some asked my opinion early and I gave it. Some of you don't like that. Nothing new there. It is what it is. If any of you are quitting on this team after game one I will gladly take any unused tickets you may have and put them to good use. I know it hurts some feelings on here when it's pointed out that firing Rowell fixed nothing. As a matter of fact the defense has gotten worse. That in an of it's self should tell you that there are many problems and they is no magical cure all pill. I think I'll have a beer. Hemi, you are correct, blame lies with players AND coaches. That was true when Rowell was DC and continues to be true with Bolt. Bolts lack of success does nothing to excuse Rowell failures because he was steering the defensive ship when It started sinking but our problems go way beyond just defense. In the past Cory and others covered our arses by moving the ball but now, whoa. Maybe these two QB's will develop to the level we need for the spread but the wait could be agonizing. The basic raw skills Cory had did not show yesterday with these guys. LB has to take a ton of the blame which he did but childish name calling is ridiculous. I don't envy JH, he has a tough decision and he HAS to step up soon or we will lose a lot of our fragile base of fans. Troy has hit an ugly wall and decisive decisions are needed in a hurry. Unless a miracle occurs, we are headed for another disappointing year and I for one don't look forward to suffering through it. Yesterday was an unexpected disaster!
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Post by Troystet on Aug 31, 2014 7:16:19 GMT -6
There a cure all but we will see if our AD is willing to do it and my money says he's not. I have lost confidence in him with his hires except soccer.
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Post by Hemi Man on Aug 31, 2014 7:30:04 GMT -6
Blame lies with coaches and players. No one is exempt. Losing in the manner we did today won't be tolerated by the people that make the decisions. Some asked my opinion early and I gave it. Some of you don't like that. Nothing new there. It is what it is. If any of you are quitting on this team after game one I will gladly take any unused tickets you may have and put them to good use. I know it hurts some feelings on here when it's pointed out that firing Rowell fixed nothing. As a matter of fact the defense has gotten worse. That in an of it's self should tell you that there are many problems and they is no magical cure all pill. I think I'll have a beer. Hemi, you are correct, blame lies with players AND coaches. That was true when Rowell was DC and continues to be true with Bolt. Bolts lack of success does nothing to excuse Rowell failures because he was steering the defensive ship when It started sinking but our problems go way beyond just defense. In the past Cory and others covered our arses by moving the ball but now, whoa. Maybe these two QB's will develop to the level we need for the spread but the wait could be agonizing. The basic raw skills Cory had did not show yesterday with these guys. LB has to take a ton of the blame which he did but childish name calling is ridiculous. I don't envy JH, he has a tough decision and he HAS to step up soon or we will lose a lot of our fragile base of fans. Troy has hit an ugly wall and decisive decisions are needed in a hurry. Unless a miracle occurs, we are headed for another disappointing year and I for one don't look forward to suffering through it. Yesterday was an unexpected disaster! You are correct. My point is that all of those people that screamed for Rowell to be gone and how we needed a mobile quarterback because Corey couldn't run have gotten their wish. However, that has cured nothing and we've gotten worse. So now, as usual, fire Blakeney is the only answer according to some. Well, when you fire him are all the people screaming for his head ready to pay a new coach double the salary? Are they ready for ticket prices to go up to compensate for our new staff? Before we throw the baby out with he bath water let's all go back and revisit Bowling Green to open the season in 2009. Arguably our best team ever was made to look below average by an average team with returning talent and a new good coach in place. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Hemi Man on Aug 31, 2014 7:33:11 GMT -6
There a cure all but we will see if our AD is willing to do it and my money says he's not. I have lost confidence in him with his hires except soccer. I like you David and don't take this personal, but that post makes absolutely no sense. You're condemning two basketball coaches that have shown steady improvement with two teams that were terrible when they took over. You aren't even giving a chance to a softball coach who had yet to even play a game. You are, however sold on a coach that's currently 1-2? Is that because of his south Florida connection? I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Aug 31, 2014 7:43:05 GMT -6
There a cure all but we will see if our AD is willing to do it and my money says he's not. I have lost confidence in him with hid hires except soccer. EXACTLY what hire (hires) have you upset? Men's basketball was IN THE TANK, Womens program was MUCH worse, both of those hires are improving EVERYDAY. Cross Country and softball have ZERO record to date for a "lost confidence" comment! While YOU may have lost confidence in John Hartwell's decisions, there isn't a lot of "proof" for the accusations, IMHO, and how can the hiring of Coach Smart as Bobby's replacement a BAD HIRE? Just not sure where the only "GOOD HIRE" was the new soccer coach. We have many challenges within athletics, probably equally shared among staff, facilities, and the student athletes. This loss is not the end of the world, may seem like it, but we need to get over this, NOW. Got to move on. The hire of Bolt, as I stated a zillion times on gtt.com WAS NEVER THE ANSWER, but most on this board just KNEW he was his OWN SECOND COMING, hell the man wasn't even coaching when we hired him. Our defense is in serious need of Re-motivation and reminding them that you TACKLE ON DEFENSE!! We have been awful for years, regarding fundamentals in all three phases of the game. That's on the current staffs bucket list, their job to "remind" the players. Now as quick as we are to blame the coaching staff, do YOU KNOW if we were aligned correctly or not, based on the call? If we weren't, then we have a communication/comprehension problem, sort of like some on this board, and that is something EVERYONE NEEDS to take some responsibility and OWNETSHIP OF!!
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