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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Dec 18, 2023 11:16:14 GMT -6
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 18, 2023 11:16:18 GMT -6
There's no way I will be able to read through all of the comments about the coaching hire that have been posted the past month to find the specific post, but someone along the way said the hire would be someone that nobody was talking about. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 18, 2023 11:42:47 GMT -6
Awe. Did I hurt your feelings? Nope not at all. You just act like you know everything and you really don’t know a damn thing. So stay off until you actually have something that you can contribute. Take your medicine and STFU.
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Post by jrodney on Dec 18, 2023 12:05:50 GMT -6
One of the reasons JS jumped ship so early, did not like the administration from the beginning, but knew he could win there and get another HC job quick. They lowballed him when they first offered him the job and then BOT came in and offered more money. But he was always ready to get away from AD and Prez.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 18, 2023 12:13:19 GMT -6
One of the reasons JS jumped ship so early, did not like the administration from the beginning, but knew he could win there and get another HC job quick. They lowballed him when they first offered him the job and then BOT came in and offered more money. But he was always ready to get away from AD and Prez. CJH, yes. You just posted that the AD gets all his marching orders from CJH. ADBJ fought like h#ll to keep JS. I'd have to hear that part directly from Jon.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 18, 2023 12:58:16 GMT -6
First of all, like a lot of the coaching hires for the bigger sports, this decision is not the AD's, Cross was hired by the previous AD right before he left, JS and Meade were outside and above hires. AD Jones, has no say despite the PR machine of the university making it look that way. Prez JH micromanages every, and i mean every move. And BJ will not leave his office without permission. So Prez JH and AD BJ, last time almost brought WVU offensive line coach Matt Moore to Troy instead of Sumrall. that is until the BOT was informed what was happening and stepped in and made them start over, ending with the finalists of Sumrall and Charles Kelly off Nick Saban's staff. BJ was originally told to hire JS, when the move to fire (The HC we don’t speak of) was made (a year late because they could not pay him off). They lowballed JS on salary, ($200K less than he was making at Kentucky) when the search began and JS told them where to go, even though he wanted the job bad. His quote to a person I spoke with "I was insulted." Because of that, JS never really felt confidence in the AD and is one of the reasons JS was so quick to make a lateral move for just a little more money. So now I see the other thread on Lesley. Well when JS turned them down after the original lowball offer last time, Prez, JH told BJ they had to hire someone off Neal's staff. No forward thinking, that is when Moore became the choice, even though he never had been anything but an O-Line coach. Then the board said start the search over, here is the salary and that is when the final two became JS and Kelly. Things were not good at Colorado this year for Kelly, but then when Deion destroyed the roster it was hard to be good. Anyway, the BOT did step in and forced the issue then. I know there are some BJ plants on this board that will dispute this and praise him. But he did not hire Scott Cross, the previous AD did right before he left. As for Skyler Meade, as I stated before, BJ did not make that hire, it came from above and outside because of the son-in-law issue. Meade was one of the few willing to take the job after the handling of the Mark Smartt-Adam Godwin fiasco. Many other college coaches have said this. Troy had to agree to build the stadium quickly to get Meade. The stadium had been on the books for years. JH would not allow it to be built while Godwin was not "treated fairly." I have friends on the board, in the athletics department and other areas close to athletics, and throughout college athletics, who have all given me the same story on all of these. My job has me involved with coaches and administrators at all levels of colleges and athletics and I am a Troy grad. So I get these things and when everyone tells you the same story, it is probably accurate. You probably do not want to believe this. BJ's other hires have not worked out so well. Several in other sports lasting less than two years for various reasons, none except maybe the golf coach moving to Alabama to be an assistant, moving up. Can people just admit it is time for JH to retire. He has too many political ties he keeps in Montgomery, and is a politician, with a wife who he has to run things past first. He stays so his family can get the $2m in university payroll from different departments and his power, a true politician. Trust me, the next president will have a financial mess to clean up. As for the coach, the names I have seen are very short-sighted and limiting it to a Troy connection, or Neal Brown connection. What I would do is go hire Bill Clark, he would keep the OC because he worked for him at UAB. Clark did not actually retire because of the back, but admin and AD issues he always had to fight - he told me that personally. That means he may not be interested here. Word is out on the admin here. Coaches talk to other coaches, only those with no chance of a better job or not an OC are interested at this moment. Look at the names being mentioned. And in a little defense of ADBJ, he won't go to the bathroom without Pres JH giving permission, he is micromanaged, so this will not be the AD hire, just like Meade and JS were not. You can praise the BJ hires all you want, but, again, he did not make them. He got to make the offer on Twitter, but this is above his paygrade, and probably even the Prez, JH, has no clue. Best response GIF ever. jrodney post is not anything nobody didn’t know. The Hawkins cabal is real and has its tentacles everywhere. Yes, JH done needed to retire a long time ago. He has officially gone to the the last stages, kinda like CLB last years. Have my issues but overall, Both did great things to build Troy up, stayed/staying too long.
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Post by jrodney on Dec 18, 2023 13:41:18 GMT -6
Best response GIF ever. jrodney post is not anything nobody didn’t know. The Hawkins cabal is real and has its tentacles everywhere. Yes, JH done needed to retire a long time ago. He has officially gone to the the last stages, kinda like CLB last years. Have my issues but overall, Both did great things to build Troy up, stayed/staying too long. I am not disputing that JH has not done great things for the University, but like all politicians, which he and a lot of university presidents are, they stay too long and make bad decisions to keep money and power. My point in a long worded way, so everyone knows what has and is happening, is that he has stayed too long, is too controlling (see the show Succession), and at this moment hurting the University in a few different ways. You are exactly right, has stayed too long and good Troy people will pay the price the next few years. They are having to deny now they are wanting to close campuses and asked for extra money for the budget because of building costs on the new buildings. Just little ole me saying as Saintflorian said, did great things, stayed too long. And also for all the people praising Brent Jones, nothing against him, but he has made no decisions on any major hires. Not his fault, we only do what our bosses tell us.
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Post by jrodney on Dec 18, 2023 13:59:54 GMT -6
One of the reasons JS jumped ship so early, did not like the administration from the beginning, but knew he could win there and get another HC job quick. They lowballed him when they first offered him the job and then BOT came in and offered more money. But he was always ready to get away from AD and Prez. CJH, yes. You just posted that the AD gets all his marching orders from CJH. ADBJ fought like h#ll to keep JS. I'd have to hear that part directly from Jon. I never said ADBJ did not fight to keep him, I know what they tried to do and ended up not being far from what he got at Tulane. But it is obvious JS wanted to go. The statement was get away from AD and Prez, and as you admit, ADBJ takes all his orders from CJH (the real problem). I know for a fact he was not happy with how his own hiring was handled, but knew he could win here and wanted this job bad if money was right, and he loved living in Troy. The Tulane job is a lateral move from a conference and competitive standpoint. One or two more years at Troy and he could have gotten a job that would at least be a 40% increase over what Tulane is paying. He interviewed at Miss St., and though I don't think he would have been MSU's choice, he told them he was not interested either, at $5M per year (I was in Starkville with some of the athletic department people a few days before their hiring) And it may not be ADBJ, but the administration as a whole, up to CJH, which I think is the more likely scenario. He gets promised a new indoor facility and is gone 48 hours later for a few dollars more.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 18, 2023 14:14:09 GMT -6
CJH, yes. You just posted that the AD gets all his marching orders from CJH. ADBJ fought like h#ll to keep JS. I'd have to hear that part directly from Jon. I never said ADBJ did not fight to keep him, I know what they tried to do and ended up not being far from what he got at Tulane. But it is obvious JS wanted to go. The statement was get away from AD and Prez, and as you admit, ADBJ takes all his orders from CJH (the real problem). I know for a fact he was not happy with how his own hiring was handled, but knew he could win here and wanted this job bad if money was right, and he loved living in Troy. The Tulane job is a lateral move from a conference and competitive standpoint. One or two more years at Troy and he could have gotten a job that would at least be a 40% increase over what Tulane is paying. He interviewed at Miss St., and though I don't think he would have been MSU's choice, he told them he was not interested either, at $5M per year (I was in Starkville with some of the athletic department people a few days before their hiring) And it may not be ADBJ, but the administration as a whole, up to CJH, which I think is the more likely scenario. He gets promised a new indoor facility and is gone 48 hours later for a few dollars more.Don't be fooled. He wasn't promised a new indoor facility; Troy fans and future players were promised a facility. The announcement was that the university was making a COMMITTMENT of $10M but, unless the process to get the facility built is different from any I've ever seen, no $$$ has yet been spent...no architectural plans, no site engineering, no bids let...nothing. Everyone on this board would have been ECSTATIC if we could have gotten 4-5 years out of JS. There is NO Way that the IPF will be completed in the next 2 years. JS was never going to hold a practice in that facility, and if he did, none of us would have been happy with the state of the program.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 18, 2023 14:18:20 GMT -6
Best response GIF ever. jrodney post is not anything nobody didn’t know. The Hawkins cabal is real and has its tentacles everywhere. Yes, JH done needed to retire a long time ago. He has officially gone to the the last stages, kinda like CLB last years. Have my issues but overall, Both did great things to build Troy up, stayed/staying too long. I am not disputing that JH has not done great things for the University, but like all politicians, which he and a lot of university presidents are, they stay too long and make bad decisions to keep money and power. My point in a long worded way, so everyone knows what has and is happening, is that he has stayed too long, is too controlling (see the show Succession), and at this moment hurting the University in a few different ways. You are exactly right, has stayed too long and good Troy people will pay the price the next few years. They are having to deny now they are wanting to close campuses and asked for extra money for the budget because of building costs on the new buildings. Just little ole me saying as Saintflorian said, did great things, stayed too long. And also for all the people praising Brent Jones, nothing against him, but he has made no decisions on any major hires. Not his fault, we only do what our bosses tell us. Sure JH has his tentacles in the hiring. But AD Jones will be given the credit or blame for any hire. That just reality. And it’s not like he is just an innocent bystander in the process…
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 18, 2023 14:29:37 GMT -6
I never said ADBJ did not fight to keep him, I know what they tried to do and ended up not being far from what he got at Tulane. But it is obvious JS wanted to go. The statement was get away from AD and Prez, and as you admit, ADBJ takes all his orders from CJH (the real problem). I know for a fact he was not happy with how his own hiring was handled, but knew he could win here and wanted this job bad if money was right, and he loved living in Troy. The Tulane job is a lateral move from a conference and competitive standpoint. One or two more years at Troy and he could have gotten a job that would at least be a 40% increase over what Tulane is paying. He interviewed at Miss St., and though I don't think he would have been MSU's choice, he told them he was not interested either, at $5M per year (I was in Starkville with some of the athletic department people a few days before their hiring) And it may not be ADBJ, but the administration as a whole, up to CJH, which I think is the more likely scenario. He gets promised a new indoor facility and is gone 48 hours later for a few dollars more.Don't be fooled. He wasn't promised a new indoor facility; Troy fans and future players were promised a facility. The announcement was that the university was making a COMMITTMENT of $10M but, unless the process to get thefacility built is different from any I've ever seen, no $$$ has yet been spent...no architectural plans, no site engineering, no bids let...nothing. Everyone on this board would have been ECSTATIC if we could have gotten 4-5 years out of JS. There is NO Way that the IPF will be completed in the next 2 years. JS was never going to hold a practice in that facility, and if he did, none of us would have been happy with the state of the program. Facts.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 18, 2023 18:54:42 GMT -6
Don't be fooled. He wasn't promised a new indoor facility; Troy fans and future players were promised a facility. The announcement was that the university was making a COMMITTMENT of $10M but, unless the process to get thefacility built is different from any I've ever seen, no $$$ has yet been spent...no architectural plans, no site engineering, no bids let...nothing. Everyone on this board would have been ECSTATIC if we could have gotten 4-5 years out of JS. There is NO Way that the IPF will be completed in the next 2 years. JS was never going to hold a practice in that facility, and if he did, none of us would have been happy with the state of the program. Facts. FACTS………..> BOOM<…………FANTASY
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Post by fltrojan on Dec 18, 2023 19:20:12 GMT -6
I never said ADBJ did not fight to keep him, I know what they tried to do and ended up not being far from what he got at Tulane. But it is obvious JS wanted to go. The statement was get away from AD and Prez, and as you admit, ADBJ takes all his orders from CJH (the real problem). I know for a fact he was not happy with how his own hiring was handled, but knew he could win here and wanted this job bad if money was right, and he loved living in Troy. The Tulane job is a lateral move from a conference and competitive standpoint. One or two more years at Troy and he could have gotten a job that would at least be a 40% increase over what Tulane is paying. He interviewed at Miss St., and though I don't think he would have been MSU's choice, he told them he was not interested either, at $5M per year (I was in Starkville with some of the athletic department people a few days before their hiring) And it may not be ADBJ, but the administration as a whole, up to CJH, which I think is the more likely scenario. He gets promised a new indoor facility and is gone 48 hours later for a few dollars more.Don't be fooled. He wasn't promised a new indoor facility; Troy fans and future players were promised a facility. The announcement was that the university was making a COMMITTMENT of $10M but, unless the process to get the facility built is different from any I've ever seen, no $$$ has yet been spent...no architectural plans, no site engineering, no bids let...nothing. Everyone on this board would have been ECSTATIC if we could have gotten 4-5 years out of JS. There is NO Way that the IPF will be completed in the next 2 years. JS was never going to hold a practice in that facility, and if he did, none of us would have been happy with the state of the program. It was kind of shocking to be watching the D2 National championship game and looking up Harding to find out a private Church of Christ college of 4,000 students that prohibits any alcohol on campus or off, in a dry county in somewhere Arkansas has a beautiful 130 yd long indoor practice facility and here we are a eight time FBS conference champion program with six bowl wins, wins over Miss St, Missouri, Ok St, LSU and Nebraska doesn't have one and probably won't for another five years. Shows how bad the IPF is needed
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Post by cornhole on Dec 18, 2023 20:51:01 GMT -6
It was kind of shocking to be watching the D2 National championship game and looking up Harding to find out a private Church of Christ college of 4,000 students that prohibits any alcohol on campus or off, in a dry county in somewhere Arkansas has a beautiful 130 yd long indoor practice facility and here we are a eight time FBS conference champion program with six bowl wins, wins over Miss St, Missouri, Ok St, LSU and Nebraska doesn't have one and probably won't for another five years. Shows how bad the IPF is needed Harding is a Private Institution of a huge Private Religion doing The Lord's work, (College Football ?), with private $$$. Their choice. And you'll just jump in for the extra $5 mill the Chancellor needs to get started? And where is CJH gonna get the $10 mill from?? Read between the lines, this is a damn $truggling institution as it is! Well, I suppose Troy Admin could lock all the doors at Impact, Graduations and Ahletics event, pass the plate and not let ANYBODY out until $XXXX are collected each event? Not me. My $$ go to people (staff) who can change lives, create healthy citizens and oh yeah, win a few Championships along the way. IPF at Troy? Eye candy. Meh, just another Temple to the whomevers. Recruiting? NIL and Portal relegated the IPF recruiting attraction to the rumble seat. Please, someone convince me how BAD IPF is needed at Troy. A few days of Spring practice?? And that justifies $15 mill?
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Post by gator8 on Dec 18, 2023 21:35:32 GMT -6
It was kind of shocking to be watching the D2 National championship game and looking up Harding to find out a private Church of Christ college of 4,000 students that prohibits any alcohol on campus or off, in a dry county in somewhere Arkansas has a beautiful 130 yd long indoor practice facility and here we are a eight time FBS conference champion program with six bowl wins, wins over Miss St, Missouri, Ok St, LSU and Nebraska doesn't have one and probably won't for another five years. Shows how bad the IPF is needed Harding is a Private Institution of a huge Private Religion doing The Lord's work, (College Football ?), with private $$$. Their choice. And you'll just jump in for the extra $5 mill the Chancellor needs to get started? And where is CJH gonna get the $10 mill from?? Read between the lines, this is a damn $truggling institution as it is! Well, I suppose Troy Admin could lock all the doors at Impact, Graduations and Ahletics event, pass the plate and not let ANYBODY out until $XXXX are collected each event? Not me. My $$ go to people (staff) who can change lives, create healthy citizens and oh yeah, win a few Championships along the way. IPF at Troy? Eye candy. Meh, just another Temple to the whomevers. Recruiting? NIL and Portal relegated the IPF recruiting attraction to the rumble seat. Please, someone convince me how BAD IPF is needed at Troy. A few days of Spring practice?? And that justifies $15 mill? [ Bingo. IPFs are pretty but are so last decade. Money in the NIL talks louder these days.
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Post by cb36353 on Dec 19, 2023 6:52:25 GMT -6
This hire shows me a few things! 1) The current staff members that everyone said should get a shot at the HC job are interested in staying in Troy. Maybe they know where their next job is already. 2) Someone already had the new HC’s name on a short list. 3) We can speculate and wish for coaches we want, but at the end of the day we’re not picking them.
Let’s get on board and see what happens.
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Post by fltrojan on Dec 19, 2023 7:33:47 GMT -6
Harding is a Private Institution of a huge Private Religion doing The Lord's work, (College Football ?), with private $$$. Their choice. And you'll just jump in for the extra $5 mill the Chancellor needs to get started? And where is CJH gonna get the $10 mill from?? Read between the lines, this is a damn $truggling institution as it is! Well, I suppose Troy Admin could lock all the doors at Impact, Graduations and Ahletics event, pass the plate and not let ANYBODY out until $XXXX are collected each event? Not me. My $$ go to people (staff) who can change lives, create healthy citizens and oh yeah, win a few Championships along the way. IPF at Troy? Eye candy. Meh, just another Temple to the whomevers. Recruiting? NIL and Portal relegated the IPF recruiting attraction to the rumble seat. Please, someone convince me how BAD IPF is needed at Troy. A few days of Spring practice?? And that justifies $15 mill? [ Bingo. IPFs are pretty but are so last decade. Money in the NIL talks louder these days. Agree they are eye candy but don't kid yourself it's not a issue for a player. Ask any player if they would rather practice in the blazing sun and heat, rain and mud or cold or a air conditioned indoor practice which one would they choose? Weren't we harping about facilities a few years back? If NIL is everything then we have issues at Troy
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Post by gator8 on Dec 19, 2023 9:02:58 GMT -6
[ Bingo. IPFs are pretty but are so last decade. Money in the NIL talks louder these days. Agree they are eye candy but don't kid yourself it's not a issue for a player. Ask any player if they would rather practice in the blazing sun and heat, rain and mud or cold or an air conditioned indoor practice which one would they choose? Weren't we harping about facilities a few years back? If NIL is everything then we have issues at Troy True, I'm not saying an IPF is a total waste. It does allow for practicing in inclement weather, although you better practice in some inclement weather because it will rain on a Saturday in the South. Facilities still matter — it's just NIL is on its way to surpassing them in value if it hasn't already.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 19, 2023 9:12:01 GMT -6
Dear student athlete: Please come here because we have great facilities. Next School Dear Student athlete: Please come here because we have pretty good facilities, and we will pay you. NEXT SCHOOL Dear Student athlete: Please come here we have great facilities, and we will pay you more.
Question: A) All schools have equal interest B) Second school is chosen most often C) Third school is chosen most often D) The athlete joins the military because they don't like money or facilities and they could not decide until knowing those terrible things would be at those schools.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 19, 2023 10:12:56 GMT -6
Agree they are eye candy but don't kid yourself it's not a issue for a player. Ask any player if they would rather practice in the blazing sun and heat, rain and mud or cold or an air conditioned indoor practice which one would they choose? Weren't we harping about facilities a few years back? If NIL is everything then we have issues at Troy True, I'm not saying an IPF is a total waste. It does allow for practicing in inclement weather, although you better practice in some inclement weather because it will rain on a Saturday in the South. Facilities still matter — it's just NIL is on its way to surpassing them in value if it hasn't already. Especially in Orlando. I am SO glad our men didn't end up in the Cure Bowl. Those conditions reminded me of the 2002 Jason Samples game in Troy (or maybe it was Heyward Skipper). IYKYK.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 19, 2023 10:27:51 GMT -6
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Post by Troy_Fan_15 on Dec 19, 2023 11:32:04 GMT -6
Nobody jumps off at me on their staff that could be following unless someone is flying in for the presser.
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Post by fltrojan on Dec 19, 2023 14:25:46 GMT -6
Maybe Drew Brees is going to be our new quarterback coach lol
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