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Post by trojanbreeze on Dec 9, 2023 9:58:25 GMT -6
Okay...my initial list was Pogue, Moore, Sheil Wood. But I like the idea of Cadillac - you need a media darling to get attention. Sad, but true. Shocked how little talk Troy and XHCJS got in the last two years. However, I really didn't know Bill Clark could be on the table. If he was physically able, I am 1000% behind Clark. He was my high school coach and I think the world of him. Disciplined, high moral character, passionate, caring, loyal, and is an all around class act and all he does is WIN at every level.
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Post by Trojan Thunder on Dec 9, 2023 10:09:12 GMT -6
Sorry, but Sheil Wood jumped ship to Tulane before Sumrall. Why would Troy award him with the HC job? I would rather give the job to the current Troy DC who appears to be doing a better job than Wood.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 9, 2023 10:10:02 GMT -6
Sorry, but Sheil Wood jumped ship to Tulane before Sumrall. Why would Troy award him with the HC job? We can’t hold grudges. We don’t have F you money.
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Post by Trojan Thunder on Dec 9, 2023 10:14:27 GMT -6
Sorry, but Sheil Wood jumped ship to Tulane before Sumrall. Why would Troy award him with the HC job? We can’t hold grudges. We don’t have F you money. I’d rather think of it as common sense, than a grudge. If he had stayed, he would be in a stronger position to be considered. Just my two cents.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 9, 2023 10:17:09 GMT -6
We can’t hold grudges. We don’t have F you money. I’d rather think of it as common sense, than a grudge. And Wood is leaving Tulane for Houston. Troy may not be the problem. He may not get along with XHCJ$
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Post by ninetiestrojan on Dec 9, 2023 10:21:00 GMT -6
I think the days of “lifer” coaches are probably over. Especially at our level. We have to be prepared to take some chances on up and comers. Be prepared to lose them if they do well. Be prepared to let them go if it doesn’t work out. We could be the destination of choice for young coaches who know if they bust their behind and succeed they will be rewarded with a great opportunity and $$$.
I’d love to see BJ (and the other Sunbelt ADs) start getting big and creative buyout clauses in the coaching contracts. Buyouts are a double edged sword. If the big school comes calling and you lose your coach at least you get a big was of cash. But if you make a bad hire, you can’t get rid of them. For the coach/agent a big buyout is also a double edge. It may hurt you when negotiating for your next job if you are successful, but it provides you some financial security if things don’t work out where you are.
I’d like to see some kind of staggered buyout. $10 million after year one. $5 million after year 2. $2 million after year 3. Then something like $100k after year 4. I thought about maybe dropping it to $100k after year 3 instead of 4. It would have really stunk to pay Uncle Fester $2 million (or keep him another year) but that $2 million would have been nice to have had for Summeral leaving or even better deterred Tulane enough for us to keep him one more year.
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Post by troy79 on Dec 9, 2023 10:46:26 GMT -6
Guys, we need to trust the process. ADBJ and his team will identify a select group of candidates who will get a look. Troy can be an attractive opportunity for a lot of high-potential coaches, we are in a better place than we've been for several years.
I am not suggesting that this guy would be on anyone's shortlist, but a high school coach in North Alabama was an awesome DC and had a brief stay as the HC of an SEC program. His wife is a Troy graduate, with family here, and he may want to test the waters and get back into coaching at the D1 level. It's been a few years since he had a very ugly ending to his HC career but in a world where people get second chances, do you think it's possible that Jeremy Pruitt would be given a look or is it still too soon following the NCAA infractions?
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Post by California Trojan on Dec 9, 2023 10:48:22 GMT -6
Eck
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 9, 2023 10:55:36 GMT -6
This is a serious question. Basically an over an under on naming a new coach. Say 8 days from now that is the 17th. That is not enough time to talk to our potential early signing period guys or enough time for them. Is 4 days enough for thorough evaluation? My guess Brent has been back dooring thoughts for weeks now.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 9, 2023 10:58:29 GMT -6
Brent this and Brent that. Let’s get something straight now. Janice is running this show. Things are going to happen when she is ready and who knows when that happens.
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Post by trojanempire on Dec 9, 2023 11:04:08 GMT -6
Former ASU and current DC Defenders HC Reggie Barlow is worth a look
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Post by cornhole on Dec 9, 2023 11:11:22 GMT -6
Brent this and Brent that. Let’s get something straight now. Janice is running this show. Things are going to happen when she is ready and who knows when that happens. Nah, hopefully Janice found another calling after the Clip Flimsey hire.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 9, 2023 11:16:37 GMT -6
Brent this and Brent that. Let’s get something straight now. Janice is running this show. Things are going to happen when she is ready and who knows when that happens. Nah, hopefully Janice found another calling after the Clip Flimsey hire. Unfortunately, XHCJ$ spoke about interviewing with her during one of his pressers.
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Post by fltrojan on Dec 9, 2023 11:27:13 GMT -6
According to USA Today Coach Williams earns $900K at Auburn. If correct could Troy offer enough to convince him to leave his school? We could afford Cadillac. We can probably pay a million, but that's not what the coach will hear. The coach will hear 1 million now and 4.5 a year in 2 years. I'm sorry but I must be missing something on Williams. He's been coaching 8 years (only as a RB coach), two if those years were D2, one year at IMG and the rest at Auburn. Never been a coordinator ,2-2 as interim HC 1-2 in SEC play. What is so special that I'm not seeing?
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Post by jakeandrews on Dec 9, 2023 11:34:04 GMT -6
We could afford Cadillac. We can probably pay a million, but that's not what the coach will hear. The coach will hear 1 million now and 4.5 a year in 2 years. I'm sorry but I must be missing something on Williams. He's been coaching 8 years (only as a RB coach), two if those years were D2, one year at IMG and the rest at Auburn. Never been a coordinator ,2-2 as interim HC 1-2 in SEC play. What is so special that I'm not seeing? Someone had to say it! We don’t need a media darling. Troy needs someone who will maintain a similar culture that was built by the 22’ & 23’ teams, not someone that wants to come in and flip the script and try to recreate things into their own. That’s why I am a proponent of hiring someone that shares a similar background with Sumrall or was with him and sees the proof in the pudding. Like Gasparado, Popovich, Craddock, Woods — they will keep the culture alive and are all proven to have success. Brent Jones has crushed all of his hires so far in every sport, i fully expect the same this time around. He takes pride in his job and will do what is best for Troy.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 9, 2023 11:38:27 GMT -6
I'm sorry but I must be missing something on Williams. He's been coaching 8 years (only as a RB coach), two if those years were D2, one year at IMG and the rest at Auburn. Never been a coordinator ,2-2 as interim HC 1-2 in SEC play. What is so special that I'm not seeing? Someone had to say it! We don’t need a media darling. Troy needs someone who will maintain a similar culture that was built by the 22’ & 23’ teams, not someone that wants to come in and flip the script and try to recreate things into their own. That’s why I am a proponent of hiring someone that shares a similar background with Sumrall or was with him and sees the proof in the pudding. Like Gasparado, Popovich, Craddock, Woods — they will keep the culture alive and are all proven to have success. Brent Jones has crushed all of his hires so far in every sport, i fully expect the same this time around. He takes pride in his job and will do what is best for Troy. Your opinion is golden and I appreciate you sharing it.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 9, 2023 11:39:48 GMT -6
We could afford Cadillac. We can probably pay a million, but that's not what the coach will hear. The coach will hear 1 million now and 4.5 a year in 2 years. I'm sorry but I must be missing something on Williams. He's been coaching 8 years (only as a RB coach), two if those years were D2, one year at IMG and the rest at Auburn. Never been a coordinator ,2-2 as interim HC 1-2 in SEC play. What is so special that I'm not seeing? He is real Popular with Auburn folks. However, so is Taylor Swift. Not sure I would hire her. I too do not see it. I am sure he is popular but that is not enough. Oh and by the way Janice is not running the show BUT her interviewing is not a bad thing in the following way: an older woman who has been around the block of Troy for a long time and she has to feel important or even Jack would suffer. After any input on Chit’s hire NO ONE INCLUDING JACK CARES WTHeck she has to say because it’s just an appeasement. Kind of like the Prime Minister’s office has a courier take stuff to the King of England to sign. It’s just a formality and if they are out of town it is not signed by him. Either way it gets done.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 9, 2023 11:41:34 GMT -6
I'm sorry but I must be missing something on Williams. He's been coaching 8 years (only as a RB coach), two if those years were D2, one year at IMG and the rest at Auburn. Never been a coordinator ,2-2 as interim HC 1-2 in SEC play. What is so special that I'm not seeing? He is real Popular with Auburn folks. However, so is Taylor Swift. Not sure I would hire her. I too do not see it. I am sure he is popular but that is not enough. Oh and by the way Janice is not running the show BUT her interviewing is not a bad thing in the following way: an older woman who has been around the block of Troy for a long time and she has to feel important or even Jack would suffer. After any input on Chit’s hire NO ONE INCLUDING JACK CARES WTHeck she has to say because it’s just an appeasement. Kind of like the Prime Minister’s office has a courier take stuff to the King of England to sign. It’s just a formality and if they are out of town it is not signed by him. Either way it gets done. Who didn't approve the home football jerseys this year?
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Post by Possum on Dec 9, 2023 12:03:27 GMT -6
Not a fan of a Cadillac hire…
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 9, 2023 12:11:55 GMT -6
Not a fan of a Cadillac hire… a Cadillac of a hire is fine just no moped like Chit.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Dec 9, 2023 12:26:37 GMT -6
No to Mike Turk.
No to Jordan Lesley.
No to Tommie Robinson.
All three of those guys are great guys, but they aren't going to bring the same energy that the players have been used to. We'll have a transfer portal explosion.
Turk has been very good at Huntingdon, but he hasn't set the world on fire there.
Jordan Lesley hasn't had good defenses at WVU.
Tommie Robinson has never been a coordinator, but we're going to move him to HC of a top-tier G5? At least Sumrall was a co-DC at Kentucky.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 9, 2023 12:47:01 GMT -6
Nah, hopefully Janice found another calling after the Clip Flimsey hire. Unfortunately, XHCJ$ spoke about interviewing with her during one of his pressers. Oh yeah. Now I remember seeing them walking together in the Sino Warrior Heads garden. And I thought she was just giving a campus culture tour.
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Post by achilles on Dec 9, 2023 13:51:50 GMT -6
A Head Coach and Coordinator are two totally different job descriptions. Just because you have experience as a coordinator doesn’t necessarily boost a resume for a head coach position. Leadership qualities make good HCs. Players must want to play for you and trust you. See HCLB
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Post by foulpolephenom on Dec 9, 2023 13:53:22 GMT -6
These are the names from The Athletic:
Bill Clark, Tommie Robinson, Tee Martin, Jordan Lesley, Matt Moore, Alex Atkins, Dell McGee, Al Pogue, Reggie Barlow, Gasparato, Zac Etheridge
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Post by foulpolephenom on Dec 9, 2023 13:57:14 GMT -6
No to Mike Turk. No to Jordan Lesley. No to Tommie Robinson. All three of those guys are great guys, but they aren't going to bring the same energy that the players have been used to. We'll have a transfer portal explosion. Turk has been very good at Huntingdon, but he hasn't set the world on fire there. Jordan Lesley hasn't had good defenses at WVU. Tommie Robinson has never been a coordinator, but we're going to move him to HC of a top-tier G5? At least Sumrall was a co-DC at Kentucky. Lesley has been good at WVU. Twice been a Broyles finalist and he is for sure high energy
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