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Post by jonesoxygen on Nov 9, 2023 8:51:40 GMT -6
I'm being beat down over on the tweeter because I think it's garbage they are still figthing a rule that they agreed too. The fact they are undefeated and they assume they will win every game for the rest of their lives also ticks me off. Furthermore, the fact that the Sun Belt is joining them in this push to the NCAA is a slap in the face to anyone remaining on JMU's schedule. Do I want a rematch, absolutely! Could it happen in a bowl game, yep because there will not be enough teams to fill all the bowls which means JMU and Jax State have been granted permission to play in that case. Lastly, do I want to go to Virginia to a championship game, nope. Play by the rules that were created. Next year they can do all the things, until then, suck it up.
If the NCAA allows this waiver, the 2nd place team in the East has a real beef with the NCAA and Sun Belt. I'd also argue that Troy (if we win out) also would have issues based on expenses of travel vs hosting another one.
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Post by bulldogtrojan on Nov 9, 2023 9:10:48 GMT -6
You are not wrong. The minute the season started this should have been over. If they truly cared about their athletes and their they would have been fighting all summer so that this would be a non-issue come September. No matter what their record would be. Thirteen other teams have been operating under the assumption that JUM was ineligible. Also, at the beginning of the season, bids were sent out on behalf of the conference to hotels in every Sun Belt market reserving rooms in the event that any given Sun Belt team could have played host to the Championship. If JMU was ineligible at that time, I would wager that they were not included in this. It could be a hardship on the West representative should they have less than stellar accommodations or are more than one hour away. I'm personally not familiar with Harrisonburgville.
Additionally, what about those teams in the East who, until a week or so ago, were still under the assumption they had a shot at the Championship game. What about those athletes?
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Nov 9, 2023 9:41:08 GMT -6
You are not wrong. The minute the season started this should have been over. If they truly cared about their athletes and their they would have been fighting all summer so that this would be a non-issue come September. No matter what their record would be. Thirteen other teams have been operating under the assumption that JUM was ineligible. Also, at the beginning of the season, bids were sent out on behalf of the conference to hotels in every Sun Belt market reserving rooms in the event that any given Sun Belt team could have played host to the Championship. If JMU was ineligible at that time, I would wager that they were not included in this. It could be a hardship on the West representative should they have less than stellar accommodations or are more than one hour away. I'm personally not familiar with Harrisonburgville. Additionally, what about those teams in the East who, until a week or so ago, were still under the assumption they had a shot at the Championship game. What about those athletes? Other SBC teams still have a shot. Would be poetic justice for App and Coastal to beat them. Coastal would have the tie breaker over JMU even in normal circumstances. JMU lost their best player last week (15.5 sacks so far this year), and other injuries are mounting up. Now, they have to deal with this national distraction they are creating for themselves. There is a chance JMU loses a game or two down the stretch, which makes all of this posturing a bit premature.
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Post by jonesoxygen on Nov 9, 2023 9:50:31 GMT -6
You are not wrong. The minute the season started this should have been over. If they truly cared about their athletes and their they would have been fighting all summer so that this would be a non-issue come September. No matter what their record would be. Thirteen other teams have been operating under the assumption that JUM was ineligible. Also, at the beginning of the season, bids were sent out on behalf of the conference to hotels in every Sun Belt market reserving rooms in the event that any given Sun Belt team could have played host to the Championship. If JMU was ineligible at that time, I would wager that they were not included in this. It could be a hardship on the West representative should they have less than stellar accommodations or are more than one hour away. I'm personally not familiar with Harrisonburgville. Additionally, what about those teams in the East who, until a week or so ago, were still under the assumption they had a shot at the Championship game. What about those athletes? Other SBC teams still have a shot. Would be poetic justice for App and Coastal to beat them. Coastal would have the tie breaker over JMU even in normal circumstances. JMU lost their best player last week (15.5 sacks so far this year), and other injuries are mounting up. Now, they have to deal with this national distraction they are creating for themselves. There is a chance JMU loses a game or two down the stretch, which makes all of this posturing a bit premature. Agree 100%, I may become a temporary Beach Chicken fan for the 1st time in my life.
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Post by saintflorian on Nov 9, 2023 9:52:33 GMT -6
I say grant the waiver. Let them play. As a compromise, if they win the East they have to play the championship game at the winner of the West. It’s a stupid rule anyway, don’t want any excuses.
Bring it ! We ain’t scared.
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Post by trojanocean on Nov 9, 2023 12:06:30 GMT -6
I say grant the waiver. Let them play. As a compromise, if they win the East they have to play the championship game at the winner of the West. It’s a stupid rule anyway, don’t want any excuses. Bring it ! We ain’t scared. I concur with this provided THEY travel to play in the SBC and if all SB schools are asked and sign off on it. That's probably unlikely but that would be my criteria. And we all know that my criteria matters a great big deal.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 9, 2023 12:33:18 GMT -6
Everyone has an opinion and I can’t say mine is the correct one. I would like the opportunity to avenge that loss. That is pretty much it.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 9, 2023 12:48:27 GMT -6
Coastal. JMU knows the rules, we sat out when we came up. There will be no asterisk by OUR 8th conference title. We sat out because we weren't eligibile. I'm all about the rules but theres a big difference Not true. When We transitioned in 2001, our record was 7-4 and that included a win over Mississippi State and our loses were to #1 Miami, #4 Nebraska, #15 Maryland, and the unranked MuTS. We sat out of a bowl game because of the rules. In 2002, the second year of no post season play, we stunk it up with a 4-8 record.
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Post by foulpolephenom on Nov 9, 2023 13:19:38 GMT -6
We sat out because we weren't eligibile. I'm all about the rules but theres a big difference Not true. When We transitioned in 2001, our record was 7-4 and that included a win over Mississippi State and our loses were to #1 Miami, #4 Nebraska, #15 Maryland, and the unranked MuTS. We sat out of a bowl game because of the rules. In 2002, the second year of no post season play, we stunk it up with a 4-8 record. Our wins came against 1-AA teams at the time. We weren't full-fledged I-A like JMU is. YOU can't count more than 1 FCS (1-AA at the time) win toward bowl eligibility.
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Post by cornhole on Nov 9, 2023 13:26:48 GMT -6
We sat out because we weren't eligibile. I'm all about the rules but theres a big difference Not true. When We transitioned in 2001, our record was 7-4 and that included a win over Mississippi State and our loses were to #1 Miami, #4 Nebraska, #15 Maryland, and the unranked MuTS. We sat out of a bowl game because of the rules. In 2002, the second year of no post season play, we stunk it up with a 4-8 record. The BIG difference is that was then and this is now, FWIW. 22 years have ushered many changes and new ideas. Some good, some not so. It's a good discussion, regardless of the current JMU issue.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Nov 9, 2023 14:03:57 GMT -6
Other SBC teams still have a shot. Would be poetic justice for App and Coastal to beat them. Coastal would have the tie breaker over JMU even in normal circumstances. JMU lost their best player last week (15.5 sacks so far this year), and other injuries are mounting up. Now, they have to deal with this national distraction they are creating for themselves. There is a chance JMU loses a game or two down the stretch, which makes all of this posturing a bit premature. Agree 100%, I may become a temporary Beach Chicken fan for the 1st time in my life. Say it ain't so!!! (for the record, I'm right there with ya)
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Nov 9, 2023 14:19:30 GMT -6
Change the rule. Moving forward, any school moving up in classification (any level) gets to choose...transition period or no. If they chose transition, they are ineligible for postseason play or conference titles for the duration of the transition period (1 0r 2 years in length, also chosen by the school). If they choose no transition period, they must immediately field a full contingent of scholarships and play a full schedule, both as required by the division into which they are transitioning. This choice must be made and announced at the time of application for change of division and NO provisions will exist for appeal or waiver of these conditions, regardless of the performance of the school changing divisions.
Words 4 and 5 of my statement are key - MOVING FORWARD. Let JMU play by the rules to which they agreed, and if it happens they get to play in a bowl because of the lack of enough 6 win teams, so be it.
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Post by jonesoxygen on Nov 9, 2023 14:24:42 GMT -6
Change the rule. Moving forward, any school moving up in classification (any level) gets to choose...transition period or no. If they chose transition, they are ineligible for postseason play or conference titles for the duration of the transition period (1 0r 2 years in length, also chosen by the school). If they choose no transition period, they must immediately field a full contingent of scholarships and play a full schedule, both as required by the division into which they are transitioning. This choice must be made and announced at the time of application for change of division and NO provisions will exist for appeal or waiver of these conditions, regardless of the performance of the school changing divisions. Words 4 and 5 of my statement are key - MOVING FORWARD. Let JMU play by the rules to which they agreed, and if it happens they get to play in a bowl because of the lack of enough 6 win teams, so be it. That is my exact take on it.
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Post by cornhole on Nov 9, 2023 14:39:01 GMT -6
Not true. When We transitioned in 2001, our record was 7-4 and that included a win over Mississippi State and our loses were to #1 Miami, #4 Nebraska, #15 Maryland, and the unranked MuTS. We sat out of a bowl game because of the rules. In 2002, the second year of no post season play, we stunk it up with a 4-8 record. The BIG difference is that was then and this is now, FWIW. 22 years have ushered many changes and new ideas. Some good, some not so. It's a good discussion, regardless of the current JMU issue. Another consideration, NCAA recently voted to charge $5 mill for programs to move up to FBS, huge increase from the previous $5k. For $5mill. a program should have equal rights day 1.
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Post by fltrojan on Nov 9, 2023 15:00:58 GMT -6
The BIG difference is that was then and this is now, FWIW. 22 years have ushered many changes and new ideas. Some good, some not so. It's a good discussion, regardless of the current JMU issue. Another consideration, NCAA recently voted to charge $5 mill for programs to move up to FBS, huge increase from the previous $5k. For $5mill. a program should have equal rights day 1. Needed to. FCS now is a shell of its former self. Take out the Dakotas and Montana it's a joke
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 9, 2023 15:04:23 GMT -6
Not true. When We transitioned in 2001, our record was 7-4 and that included a win over Mississippi State and our loses were to #1 Miami, #4 Nebraska, #15 Maryland, and the unranked MuTS. We sat out of a bowl game because of the rules. In 2002, the second year of no post season play, we stunk it up with a 4-8 record. Our wins came against 1-AA teams at the time. We weren't full-fledged I-A like JMU is. YOU can't count more than 1 FCS (1-AA at the time) win toward bowl eligibility. You are correct. I stand corrected.
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Post by Possum on Nov 10, 2023 6:59:53 GMT -6
With Southern Miss beating ULL last night, doesn’t that pretty much lock us into the Championship game? Correct me if I’m wrong.
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Post by skeletor on Nov 10, 2023 7:17:01 GMT -6
With Southern Miss beating ULL last night, doesn’t that pretty much lock us into the Championship game? Correct me if I’m wrong. Both Texas st. And Arkansas state have 2 conference loses. So we still have to win 2 out of 3 to get in.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Nov 10, 2023 10:03:55 GMT -6
With Southern Miss beating ULL last night, doesn’t that pretty much lock us into the Championship game? Correct me if I’m wrong. 99.6% chance according to ESPN. If we lose two of our last three though, the winner of the Arkansas State / Texas State game would go if the winner ends the season with only two conference losses. South is still in it mathematically, but a lot of weird things have to happen: Troy has to lose all three of it's final games, and South has to win all three of it's remaining games. Neither scenario is plausible.
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Post by Possum on Nov 10, 2023 10:38:37 GMT -6
Thanks for the clarification. I don’t see us losing any of our last three to be honest. All three teams look very beatable, but weirder things have happened.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 10, 2023 12:06:39 GMT -6
Line em up and give no quarter!
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Post by troyfan on Nov 11, 2023 16:29:25 GMT -6
If Texas state and ark state lose today we win the west no matter what happens the rest of the season. But that’s rat poison!
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Nov 11, 2023 16:32:40 GMT -6
If Texas state and ark state lose today we win the west no matter what happens the rest of the season. But that’s rat poison! Correct!
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 11, 2023 16:48:09 GMT -6
If Texas state and ark state lose today we win the west no matter what happens the rest of the season. But that’s rat poison!
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 11, 2023 19:04:47 GMT -6
College game Day at JMU. I will be shocked if the topic is how nasty the NCAA is to the little dookies
If they have the balls to hold up under that public criticism we will host most likely because the rep of East will not be East champ in Al likelihood. Just in case making travel arrangements to Harrisonburg
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