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Post by atlantatrojan on Jun 13, 2014 17:34:57 GMT -6
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 13, 2014 19:59:02 GMT -6
When LB leaves Troy fans and Troy U better get ready to spend some money or get left in the dust.
I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Jun 13, 2014 20:33:11 GMT -6
When LB leaves Troy fans and Troy U better get ready to spend some money or get left in the dust. I think I'll have a beer. As it stands right now LB makes nearly 500k.... If he was to leave tomorrow, what do u think Troy would be in the position to pay?
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 13, 2014 20:37:40 GMT -6
When LB leaves Troy fans and Troy U better get ready to spend some money or get left in the dust. I think I'll have a beer. As it stands right now LB makes nearly 500k.... If he was to leave tomorrow, what do u think Troy would be in the position to pay? What do you think? And when do you think he hangs up his whistle?
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Post by atlantatrojan on Jun 13, 2014 20:57:17 GMT -6
As it stands right now LB makes nearly 500k.... If he was to leave tomorrow, what do u think Troy would be in the position to pay? What do you think? And when do you think he hangs up his whistle? I think LB is underpaid and that's ok with LB. I think Troy could probably pay 600-700k but who knows. As far as when he leaves I really don't know, but I'm leaning towards after this year. His contract ends after this year and he's what 68? Hard to see Troy wanting to renew his contract at such a late age and with less than stellar results lately. There's a good many Troy folks wanting a new face to Troy football.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Jun 14, 2014 1:37:10 GMT -6
Facilities help, of course, but college sports have always been about coaching. I've always thought some of the facility money would be better spent in paying coaches more, so we can get better coaches, win more games, that by itself will get more recruits. If you win consistently, everything else will start taking care of itself.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 14, 2014 8:38:31 GMT -6
What do you think? And when do you think he hangs up his whistle? I think LB is underpaid and that's ok with LB. I think Troy could probably pay 600-700k but who knows. As far as when he leaves I really don't know, but I'm leaning towards after this year. His contract ends after this year and he's what 68? Hard to see Troy wanting to renew his contract at such a late age and with less than stellar results lately. There's a good many Troy folks wanting a new face to Troy football. Facilities help, of course, but college sports have always been about coaching. I've always thought some of the facility money would be better spent in paying coaches more, so we can get better coaches, win more games, that by itself will get more recruits. If you win consistently, everything else will start taking care of itself. I do think LB is underpaid and had been for many years. I don't necessarily think he's ok with it, but he's come to terms with it. He wasn't the highest paid in the conference when he was winning 5 straight. That's a slap in the face to him and the program from university. As for his successor I think you're going to see a number around $650,000 and upward. Also you have to take into account that our assistants are severely underpaid as well outside of the coordinators. As for the theory on taking away from facilities to pay coaches more, I don't see the logic in it. That's small time thinking. People need to decide if they are committed to being big time or they just want to act big time. You have spend money on all phases to be successful. If you cut corners anywhere you will see the effects in your results. ULL and Ark St are building and paying coaches well. Is our fan base not willing to support our athletic programs like those schools? Is our administration not willing to support our athletic director and athletic department at the level those schools are willing? I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Jun 14, 2014 8:46:07 GMT -6
I think LB is underpaid and that's ok with LB. I think Troy could probably pay 600-700k but who knows. As far as when he leaves I really don't know, but I'm leaning towards after this year. His contract ends after this year and he's what 68? Hard to see Troy wanting to renew his contract at such a late age and with less than stellar results lately. There's a good many Troy folks wanting a new face to Troy football. Facilities help, of course, but college sports have always been about coaching. I've always thought some of the facility money would be better spent in paying coaches more, so we can get better coaches, win more games, that by itself will get more recruits. If you win consistently, everything else will start taking care of itself. I do think LB is underpaid and had been for many years. I don't necessarily think he's ok with it, but he's come to terms with it. He wasn't the highest paid in the conference when he was winning 5 straight. That's a slap in the face to him and the program from university. As for his successor I think you're going to see a number around $650,000 and upward. Also you have to take into account that our assistants are severely underpaid as well outside of the coordinators. As for the theory on taking away from facilities to pay coaches more, I don't see the logic in it. That's small time thinking. People need to decide if they are committed to being big time or they just want to act big time. You have spend money on all phases to be successful. If you cut corners anywhere you will see the effects in your results. ULL and Ark St are building and paying coaches well. Is our fan base not willing to support our athletic programs like those schools? Is our administration not willing to support our athletic director and athletic department at the level those schools are willing? I think I'll have a beer. Last time I looked Troy pays their HC and it's assistants about on average in the SBC. We fall in the middle somewhere. ULL and stAte being the top two and ULM bringing up the bottom. We also fall in the middle/towards the top in over all athletic budget. Am I wrong? And I agree with you on you last statement. Facilities do me a lot, let's not kid ourselves. Do we have one of the nicest football stadiums? Sure, but that's only a stage for them to preform on maybe 6 times a year. Has anyone seen what they work and stay in on a day to day basis? It's one of the worst if not THE worst.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 14, 2014 12:22:31 GMT -6
I do think LB is underpaid and had been for many years. I don't necessarily think he's ok with it, but he's come to terms with it. He wasn't the highest paid in the conference when he was winning 5 straight. That's a slap in the face to him and the program from university. As for his successor I think you're going to see a number around $650,000 and upward. Also you have to take into account that our assistants are severely underpaid as well outside of the coordinators. As for the theory on taking away from facilities to pay coaches more, I don't see the logic in it. That's small time thinking. People need to decide if they are committed to being big time or they just want to act big time. You have spend money on all phases to be successful. If you cut corners anywhere you will see the effects in your results. ULL and Ark St are building and paying coaches well. Is our fan base not willing to support our athletic programs like those schools? Is our administration not willing to support our athletic director and athletic department at the level those schools are willing? I think I'll have a beer. Last time I looked Troy pays their HC and it's assistants about on average in the SBC. We fall in the middle somewhere. ULL and stAte being the top two and ULM bringing up the bottom. We also fall in the middle/towards the top in over all athletic budget. Am I wrong? And I agree with you on you last statement. Facilities do me a lot, let's not kid ourselves. Do we have one of the nicest football stadiums? Sure, but that's only a stage for them to preform on maybe 6 times a year. Has anyone seen what they work and stay in on a day to day basis? It's one of the worst if not THE worst. If you are content being in the middle you will always be in the middle. The last numbers I saw were from 13 and we were on the lower side of half way. Don't read much into budgets and Revenue numbers. They aren't set in stone and can be twisted and manipulated many different ways. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Jun 14, 2014 12:34:28 GMT -6
Ya I know. But there's some people that act like we are dead last on budget and paying our HC.
It's too bad we didn't have Hartwell as our AD when we were winning our conference championships. I think money wise we would be much better off.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 14, 2014 13:29:36 GMT -6
Ya I know. But there's some people that act like we are dead last on budget and paying our HC. It's too bad we didn't have Hartwell as our AD when we were winning our conference championships. I think money wise we would be much better off. Here's the problem we have a coach that had won more conference titles than any guy in the conference and he's not paid what he deserves. The non athletic administration wants to nickel and dime he athletic department. Blakeney, even though we aren't doing well should have be better compensated five years ago when we were on top of the league. I feel portions of our fan base were spoiled and now thinks we should have the best without putting anything back into the program. Bama can have 50% of he fans but in and donate and they are fine. We can't survive that way. We need all hands on deck funding athletics. Were aren't lucky enough to have anyone writing 1 million plus checks. We need everyone to give what they can. Whether it's $100 or $5000. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Jun 14, 2014 14:53:10 GMT -6
Ya I know. But there's some people that act like we are dead last on budget and paying our HC. It's too bad we didn't have Hartwell as our AD when we were winning our conference championships. I think money wise we would be much better off. Here's the problem we have a coach that had won more conference titles than any guy in the conference and he's not paid what he deserves. The non athletic administration wants to nickel and dime he athletic department. Blakeney, even though we aren't doing well should have be better compensated five years ago when we were on top of the league. I feel portions of our fan base were spoiled and now thinks we should have the best without putting anything back into the program. Bama can have 50% of he fans but in and donate and they are fine. We can't survive that way. We need all hands on deck funding athletics. Were aren't lucky enough to have anyone writing 1 million plus checks. We need everyone to give what they can. Whether it's $100 or $5000. I think I'll have a beer. I think most on here agree and a lot of us on here do give. IMO one of Troys main issues is it's mostly a teachers university (which isn't a bad thing). The average teacher makes what 30-50k a year? And I would gather a lot of alumni are still paying student loans even 15 or more years after graduating. Many probably feel they have given Troy enough. We just don't have the big money making programs to have wealthy donors.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 14, 2014 17:21:42 GMT -6
Here's the problem we have a coach that had won more conference titles than any guy in the conference and he's not paid what he deserves. The non athletic administration wants to nickel and dime he athletic department. Blakeney, even though we aren't doing well should have be better compensated five years ago when we were on top of the league. I feel portions of our fan base were spoiled and now thinks we should have the best without putting anything back into the program. Bama can have 50% of he fans but in and donate and they are fine. We can't survive that way. We need all hands on deck funding athletics. Were aren't lucky enough to have anyone writing 1 million plus checks. We need everyone to give what they can. Whether it's $100 or $5000. I think I'll have a beer. I think most on here agree and a lot of us on here do give. IMO one of Troys main issues is it's mostly a teachers university (which isn't a bad thing). The average teacher makes what 30-50k a year? And I would gather a lot of alumni are still paying student loans even 15 or more years after graduating. Many probably feel they have given Troy enough. We just don't have the big money making programs to have wealthy donors. There in lies the problem. The people that think they have given Troy enough. Did they get a return on their investment in Troy university? If they received a degree and are working then they got their money's worth. I bet they don't mind complaining about the state of Troy athletics. The reason you stated is why Troy is struggling. Too many think they have done their part when in reality they have done nothing for the athletic department. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Jun 14, 2014 17:36:39 GMT -6
I think most on here agree and a lot of us on here do give. IMO one of Troys main issues is it's mostly a teachers university (which isn't a bad thing). The average teacher makes what 30-50k a year? And I would gather a lot of alumni are still paying student loans even 15 or more years after graduating. Many probably feel they have given Troy enough. We just don't have the big money making programs to have wealthy donors. There in lies the problem. The people that think they have given Troy enough. Did they get a return on their investment in Troy university? If they received a degree and are working then they got their money's worth. I bet they don't mind complaining about the state of Troy athletics. The reason you stated is why Troy is struggling. Too many think they have done their part when in reality they have done nothing for the athletic department. I think I'll have a beer. Oh I agree... If everyone that follows Troy athletes or goes to games gave atleast 100 bucks a year ( less than 9 dollars a month) we would be in much better shape! You can't tell me most everyone can't afford to give up less than 10 bucks a year if they are able to go to game etc. Heck it's tax deductable. You get a chuck back which I like come march lol.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 14, 2014 19:48:18 GMT -6
Here's the problem we have a coach that had won more conference titles than any guy in the conference and he's not paid what he deserves. The non athletic administration wants to nickel and dime he athletic department. Blakeney, even though we aren't doing well should have be better compensated five years ago when we were on top of the league. I feel portions of our fan base were spoiled and now thinks we should have the best without putting anything back into the program. Bama can have 50% of he fans but in and donate and they are fine. We can't survive that way. We need all hands on deck funding athletics. Were aren't lucky enough to have anyone writing 1 million plus checks. We need everyone to give what they can. Whether it's $100 or $5000. I think I'll have a beer. I think most on here agree and a lot of us on here do give. IMO one of Troys main issues is it's mostly a teachers university (which isn't a bad thing). The average teacher makes what 30-50k a year? And I would gather a lot of alumni are still paying student loans even 15 or more years after graduating. Many probably feel they have given Troy enough. We just don't have the big money making programs to have wealthy donors. There in lies the problem. The people that think they have given Troy enough. Did they get a return on their investment in Troy university? If they received a degree and are working then they got their money's worth. I bet they don't mind complaining about the state of Troy athletics. The reason you stated is why Troy is struggling. Too many think they have done their part when in reality they have done nothing for the athletic department. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by doug4troy on Jun 14, 2014 20:29:08 GMT -6
I can't help but wonder how many of our alumni don't feel they can give $100-$500 annually to Troy athletics because they already spend that much on UAT/AU shirts, hats, magnets, stickers, tags, etc?
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 14, 2014 20:33:36 GMT -6
I can't help but wonder how many of our alumni don't feel they can give $100-$500 annually to Troy athletics because they already spend that much on UAT/AU shirts, hats, magnets, stickers, tags, etc? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk yougotitdude
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Jun 15, 2014 0:08:03 GMT -6
As for the theory on taking away from facilities to pay coaches more, I don't see the logic in it. That's small time thinking. Only if it doesn't work.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 15, 2014 7:52:40 GMT -6
As for the theory on taking away from facilities to pay coaches more, I don't see the logic in it. That's small time thinking. Only if it doesn't work. Even of it did work would it be a long term fix? I'm over the do more with less model. I like the how high can we reach with as much as we can get out hands on model. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Jun 15, 2014 15:41:50 GMT -6
Only if it doesn't work. Even of it did work would it be a long term fix? I'm over the do more with less model. I like the how high can we reach with as much as we can get out hands on model. I think I'll have a beer. Like I said, start winning, and a lot of the rest will take care of itself.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 15, 2014 16:04:24 GMT -6
Even of it did work would it be a long term fix? I'm over the do more with less model. I like the how high can we reach with as much as we can get out hands on model. I think I'll have a beer. Like I said, start winning, and a lot of the rest will take care of itself. Really? Then why are we in this situation after winning 5 consecutive titles? There is no cure all. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Jun 15, 2014 16:18:02 GMT -6
Like I said, start winning, and a lot of the rest will take care of itself. Really? Then why are we in this situation after winning 5 consecutive titles? There is no cure all. I think I'll have a beer. I really feel this year we get back to winning ways. Maybe not a conference championship but atleast a bowl. This is some of the best talent I've seen put together in the last several years. Plus a much more easy schedule this year than last.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Jun 16, 2014 2:34:11 GMT -6
Like I said, start winning, and a lot of the rest will take care of itself. Really? Then why are we in this situation after winning 5 consecutive titles? There is no cure all. I think I'll have a beer. Good question. The conference has caught up, and in some cases passed us by, that's why. You won't like this, but we have a coach that's near retirement and other schools put money into their coaches first, now they're winning and upgrading facilities. If we hadn't had a five year run I don't know if we'd even be talking about the endzone facility. We also had a basketball facility in DESPERATE need for replacement, and football at Troy has to support more than just football.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 16, 2014 6:02:42 GMT -6
Really? Then why are we in this situation after winning 5 consecutive titles? There is no cure all. I think I'll have a beer. Good question. The conference has caught up, and in some cases passed us by, that's why. You won't like this, but we have a coach that's near retirement and other schools put money into their coaches first, now they're winning and upgrading facilities. If we hadn't had a five year run I don't know if we'd even be talking about the endzone facility. We also had a basketball facility in DESPERATE need for replacement, and football at Troy has to support more than just football. Here's what you don't understand, we did not capitalize on winning. It's not about who the coach is or was. We had an AD that was complacent and a fan base that was complacent. Steve Dennis was looking for the home run donor and not concerned about the $100 to $2500 person. Much of the fan base expected to consistently win championships without having to fund it. We have one of the worst if not the worst football facilities in FBS. Is be willing to bet that recruits are steered away from locker room tours as much as possible. If you remember we've upgraded all facilities before making coaching changes. It makes the job more appealing to quality candidates when the facilities are top notch. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Jun 16, 2014 9:25:14 GMT -6
Good question. The conference has caught up, and in some cases passed us by, that's why. You won't like this, but we have a coach that's near retirement and other schools put money into their coaches first, now they're winning and upgrading facilities. If we hadn't had a five year run I don't know if we'd even be talking about the endzone facility. We also had a basketball facility in DESPERATE need for replacement, and football at Troy has to support more than just football. Here's what you don't understand, we did not capitalize on winning. It's not about who the coach is or was. We had an AD that was complacent and a fan base that was complacent. Steve Dennis was looking for the home run donor and not concerned about the $100 to $2500 person. Much of the fan base expected to consistently win championships without having to fund it. We have one of the worst if not the worst football facilities in FBS. Is be willing to bet that recruits are steered away from locker room tours as much as possible. If you remember we've upgraded all facilities before making coaching changes. It makes the job more appealing to quality candidates when the facilities are top notch. I think I'll have a beer. Thats True. After the new basketball and softball facilities the old coaches worked 1 year in them then were let go. I like our football stadium a lot. and I think its one of the best in the conference. But that Davis field house has got to go. I cant wait to get the ball rolling on the new upgrade. Its going to really help out in recruiting. Troy doesnt have a large city with lots of entertainment to attract great young players. We have to have the best facilities in this conference if we want to be atop the SBC.
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