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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 16, 2014 9:46:40 GMT -6
Here's what you don't understand, we did not capitalize on winning. It's not about who the coach is or was. We had an AD that was complacent and a fan base that was complacent. Steve Dennis was looking for the home run donor and not concerned about the $100 to $2500 person. Much of the fan base expected to consistently win championships without having to fund it. We have one of the worst if not the worst football facilities in FBS. Is be willing to bet that recruits are steered away from locker room tours as much as possible. If you remember we've upgraded all facilities before making coaching changes. It makes the job more appealing to quality candidates when the facilities are top notch. I think I'll have a beer. Thats True. After the new basketball and softball facilities the old coaches worked 1 year in them then were let go. I like our football stadium a lot. and I think its one of the best in the conference. But that Davis field house has got to go. I cant wait to get the ball rolling on the new upgrade. Its going to really help out in recruiting. Troy doesnt have a large city with lots of entertainment to attract great young players. We have to have the best facilities in this conference if we want to be atop the SBC. You are exactly right. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 16, 2014 14:35:23 GMT -6
Maestri and Davis resigned...they weren't let go. Now whether they were given the option to resign I don't know. Other than Murphy, I can't remember a coach being fired at Troy. Even though Murphy was fired he was given another position in the athletic dept???
The end zone project should complete the facilities for a good while. We have the basketball arena now so now it's time to win there. Rigsby will need to show drastic improvement in year 3. She's had three signing classes so now it's time to perform. Cunnigham will also need to show improvement by year 3. Facilities mean nothing other than they are nice to look at if you don't win in them. I think we are on the right track in basketball but it will go Down to the W's. Having played in Davis I can't tell you how outdated it is and how desperately new locker room and meeting space is needed. Hoping we get this built soon. The longer this goes the worse it hurts us.
I agree sadly with the other poster who said that unless we win the donations don't come. Sad but true, but the donations weren't there during the run other than Movie Gallery. A lot of that was Dennis fault but we can't go back, got to move forward and get this done.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 16, 2014 15:52:51 GMT -6
Maestri and Davis resigned...they weren't let go. Now whether they were given the option to resign I don't know. Other than Murphy, I can't remember a coach being fired at Troy. Even though Murphy was fired he was given another position in the athletic dept??? The end zone project should complete the facilities for a good while. We have the basketball arena now so now it's time to win there. Rigsby will need to show drastic improvement in year 3. She's had three signing classes so now it's time to perform. Cunnigham will also need to show improvement by year 3. Facilities mean nothing other than they are nice to look at if you don't win in them. I think we are on the right track in basketball but it will go Down to the W's. Having played in Davis I can't tell you how outdated it is and how desperately new locker room and meeting space is needed. Hoping we get this built soon. The longer this goes the worse it hurts us. I agree sadly with the other poster who said that unless we win the donations don't come. Sad but true, but the donations weren't there during the run other than Movie Gallery. A lot of that was Dennis fault but we can't go back, got to move forward and get this done. Movie Gallery didn't give that $1 mil to SD to start building that arena. Yes, Steve Dennis got that donation from Uncle Milty to get the ball rolling on Trojan Arena. His way of thinking, so far as donations, may have been wrong for the Troy situation, but he did get some stuff done while he was there...don't brush that aside so simply. www.dothaneagle.com/sports/article_3597e572-5b89-5ec1-ab50-7a799fac38ac.html
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Post by Troystet on Jun 16, 2014 18:37:51 GMT -6
My understanding was they issued a bond to finance Bibb Graves, the dining hall and Trojan Arena. According to the link from the Dothan Eagle the University put up $10,000,000 from reserves and financed $30,000,000. I don't know how much was financed on a Trojan dining or Bibb Graves plus Long Hall but it seems the University has a pretty good bond obligation now. I know they have raised tuition two years in a row by a pretty good margin and are claiming to do so to offset a $11,000,000 budget shortfall. Reading this makes me doubt the importance of the field house to the University. I am hoping that the University hasn't bitten off to much with this debt that it can't take care of other pressing needs, mainly it's #1 revenue producing sport.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 16, 2014 21:43:48 GMT -6
Maestri and Davis resigned...they weren't let go. Now whether they were given the option to resign I don't know. Other than Murphy, I can't remember a coach being fired at Troy. Even though Murphy was fired he was given another position in the athletic dept??? The end zone project should complete the facilities for a good while. We have the basketball arena now so now it's time to win there. Rigsby will need to show drastic improvement in year 3. She's had three signing classes so now it's time to perform. Cunnigham will also need to show improvement by year 3. Facilities mean nothing other than they are nice to look at if you don't win in them. I think we are on the right track in basketball but it will go Down to the W's. Having played in Davis I can't tell you how outdated it is and how desperately new locker room and meeting space is needed. Hoping we get this built soon. The longer this goes the worse it hurts us. I agree sadly with the other poster who said that unless we win the donations don't come. Sad but true, but the donations weren't there during the run other than Movie Gallery. A lot of that was Dennis fault but we can't go back, got to move forward and get this done. Remember how Maestri announced his retirement? That sounded a lot like a guy that was forced out and wanted to go out his way. Read the release from Davis. Sounds like someone was fired to me. There can't be a lapse in facilities upgrades. That's what has gotten this far behind in the arms race of the Sun Belt. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Redwaver on Jun 17, 2014 6:59:54 GMT -6
Maestri and Davis resigned...they weren't let go. Now whether they were given the option to resign I don't know. Other than Murphy, I can't remember a coach being fired at Troy. Even though Murphy was fired he was given another position in the athletic dept??? The end zone project should complete the facilities for a good while. We have the basketball arena now so now it's time to win there. Rigsby will need to show drastic improvement in year 3. She's had three signing classes so now it's time to perform. Cunnigham will also need to show improvement by year 3. Facilities mean nothing other than they are nice to look at if you don't win in them. I think we are on the right track in basketball but it will go Down to the W's. Having played in Davis I can't tell you how outdated it is and how desperately new locker room and meeting space is needed. Hoping we get this built soon. The longer this goes the worse it hurts us. I agree sadly with the other poster who said that unless we win the donations don't come. Sad but true, but the donations weren't there during the run other than Movie Gallery. A lot of that was Dennis fault but we can't go back, got to move forward and get this done. Remember how Maestri announced his retirement? That sounded a lot like a guy that was forced out and wanted to go out his way. Read the release from Davis. Sounds like someone was fired to me. There can't be a lapse in facilities upgrades. That's what has gotten this far behind in the arms race of the Sun Belt. I think I'll have a beer. Agreed Hemi, as sad as it is, the reality of raising fees again on students just might backfire on us. "Troy is currently $200.00 PER CREDIT HOUR HIGHER than Florida schools" (per a Troy Administrator). This is huge because many panhandle kids always considered Troy as an alternative and there was a time, given Troy waving the out if state fee, for these kids that we were competitive price wise. Our enrollment is down drastically and this is part of it. Alabama needs to step up and help the Troys of the state become comprtitive cost wise again. That's what Florida has done. Just sayin!
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 17, 2014 7:45:41 GMT -6
Remember how Maestri announced his retirement? That sounded a lot like a guy that was forced out and wanted to go out his way. Read the release from Davis. Sounds like someone was fired to me. There can't be a lapse in facilities upgrades. That's what has gotten this far behind in the arms race of the Sun Belt. I think I'll have a beer. Agreed Hemi, as sad as it is, the reality of raising fees again on students just might backfire on us. "Troy is currently $200.00 PER CREDIT HOUR HIGHER than Florida schools" (per a Troy Administrator). This is huge because many panhandle kids always considered Troy as an alternative and there was a time, given Troy waving the out if state fee, for these kids that we were competitive price wise. Our enrollment is down drastically and this is part of it. Alabama needs to step up and help the Troys of the state become comprtitive cost wise again. That's what Florida has done. Just sayin! You are far more informed on that end of it than I am. My concern are is we are cultivating our current students that Troy athletics is free. We are devaluing our product. I can't tell you how many times I've spoken with graduates who give the impression they are entitled to free tickets to Troy events. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 17, 2014 9:57:39 GMT -6
Escambia county, Bay county and Okaloosa county get Alabama in state tuition cost which is roughly $40-$60 a credit hour higher than Florida. The out of state is actually higher than $200 a hour. The panhandle kids choose Troy because of being close to home. Their only other two options are West Florida and FSU. We are losing students from Florida no question. Back in the 70's and 80's we had a ton of students attending on the Wallace scholarship and these were kids from Orlando, Tampa and south Florida. I came from a town of 1,200 in Cent. FL and we had 5 attending Troy at the same time. Changes have to be made and unfortunately a lot of the state problems are due to a pension system that is crippling it, same in Florida. Pay a pension to teachers, police and fire. Paying them to every government worker will bankrupt you. It is already happening around the country.
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Post by Redwaver on Jun 17, 2014 11:55:23 GMT -6
Escambia county, Bay county and Okaloosa county get Alabama in state tuition cost which is roughly $40-$60 a credit hour higher than Florida. The out of state is actually higher than $200 a hour. The panhandle kids choose Troy because of being close to home. Their only other two options are West Florida and FSU. We are losing students from Florida no question. Back in the 70's and 80's we had a ton of students attending on the Wallace scholarship and these were kids from Orlando, Tampa and south Florida. I came from a town of 1,200 in Cent. FL and we had 5 attending Troy at the same time. Changes have to be made and unfortunately a lot of the state problems are due to a pension system that is crippling it, same in Florida. Pay a pension to teachers, police and fire. Paying them to every government worker will bankrupt you. It is already happening around the country. Again, can only agree. Had that talk a few weeks ago with some absentee Troy grads. They support Alabama, Auburn and FSU because "that's where out kids went"! My comeback, "what about the school where YOU went?" There is sadly a apathy on the part of a ton of our grads. They dont see us on the same level as those others so they get their egos pumped by supporting the big boys, wearing their gear and sending them their money. I'm saying it here, it won't be but a few more years until these "big boys" eliminate all the pesky little people like the Troys of the NCAA's world if something's not done to stop it and the NCAA is toothless when it comes to the control of the large conferences.
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Post by Redwaver on Jun 17, 2014 12:01:19 GMT -6
Escambia county, Bay county and Okaloosa county get Alabama in state tuition cost which is roughly $40-$60 a credit hour higher than Florida. The out of state is actually higher than $200 a hour. The panhandle kids choose Troy because of being close to home. Their only other two options are West Florida and FSU. We are losing students from Florida no question. Back in the 70's and 80's we had a ton of students attending on the Wallace scholarship and these were kids from Orlando, Tampa and south Florida. I came from a town of 1,200 in Cent. FL and we had 5 attending Troy at the same time. Changes have to be made and unfortunately a lot of the state problems are due to a pension system that is crippling it, same in Florida. Pay a pension to teachers, police and fire. Paying them to every government worker will bankrupt you. It is already happening around the country. Again, can only agree. Had that talk a few weeks ago with some absentee Troy grads. They support Alabama, Auburn and FSU because "that's where out kids went"! My comeback, "what about the school where YOU went?" There is sadly a apathy on the part of a ton of our grads. They dont see us on the same level as those others so they get their egos pumped by supporting the big boys, wearing their gear and sending them their money. I'm saying it here, it won't be but a few more years until these "big boys" eliminate all the pesky little people like the Troys of the NCAA's world if something's not done to stop it and the NCAA is toothless when it comes to the control of the large conferences. All I know is I was in a meeting three weeks ago when a Troy University site director said, "our enrollment this year is way down". He was asked, "Why is that". He answered, "largely because it cost $200.00 per credit hour more to go to Troy now than a Florida school"! His words, not mine!
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Post by Troystet on Jun 17, 2014 18:03:45 GMT -6
A lot of people from Alabama don't realize how many panhandle students go to Troy. Loosing even a small percentage will hurt enrollment.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 17, 2014 18:17:46 GMT -6
A lot of people from Alabama don't realize how many panhandle students go to Troy. Loosing even a small percentage will hurt enrollment. That's true but you can't give it away. Whether it's education or athletics. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 17, 2014 19:18:53 GMT -6
A lot of people from Alabama don't realize how many panhandle students go to Troy. Loosing even a small percentage will hurt enrollment. With eTroy and satellite campuses, the increase in revenue will still be huge. It's system-wide...that's why it's almost genius to get the coaches out to see the people, if the people aren't coming to see them. Trojan Tour is awesome! mini-me
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Post by sballalumni2 on Jun 18, 2014 10:06:13 GMT -6
I am new to the board, so don't jump on me too much because I know that all of you are football fans. I heard that ULL is taking the philosophy of taking the football money and putting it into all the other sports. Basically, if Troy football goes undefeated they still won't win a national championship nor go to a BCS/playoff bowl, or any Sunbelt team for that matter. So, they take the football money and pour it into the coaches, facilities, recruiting budgets, etc of the non-revenue sports and boom they are starting to have teams in the regionals in baseball, softball, etc. Then, the local people see them on TV, want to come out and support, etc which makes football better and more attended. I know there are some flaws in this argument, but what do you all think? Would you give up losing football seasons (getting money to play the big schools on the road) to have the baseball, softball, basketball, golf, etc in the regionals year after year?
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 18, 2014 11:05:20 GMT -6
Nope. I don't see why it can't all be achieved. Your idea that TROY cannot reach an access bowl however improbable, is possible because of the structure of the play-off. JH is a godsend because he's getting them to loosen the purse strings for the non-revenue sports, but we, the fans, have to give something in the form of monetary donations.
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As an aside to this conversation, you did mention winning in football. We have discussed this to a lesser degree, but ULL is nowhere near what TROY did with 5 consecutive titles. The difference is how the fans responded...in that, they beat the pants off us.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 18, 2014 14:19:47 GMT -6
I am new to the board, so don't jump on me too much because I know that all of you are football fans. I heard that ULL is taking the philosophy of taking the football money and putting it into all the other sports. Basically, if Troy football goes undefeated they still won't win a national championship nor go to a BCS/playoff bowl, or any Sunbelt team for that matter. So, they take the football money and pour it into the coaches, facilities, recruiting budgets, etc of the non-revenue sports and boom they are starting to have teams in the regionals in baseball, softball, etc. Then, the local people see them on TV, want to come out and support, etc which makes football better and more attended. I know there are some flaws in this argument, but what do you all think? Would you give up losing football seasons (getting money to play the big schools on the road) to have the baseball, softball, basketball, golf, etc in the regionals year after year? Nope. I don't see why it can't all be achieved. Your idea that TROY cannot reach an access bowl however improbable, is possible because of the structure of the play-off. JH is a godsend because he's getting them to loosen the purse strings for the non-revenue sports, but we, the fans, have to give something in the form of monetary donations. EDIT: As an aside to this conversation, you did mention winning in football. We have discussed this to a lesser degree, but ULL is nowhere near what TROY did with 5 consecutive titles. The difference is how the fans responded...in that, they beat the pants off us. There's no doubt that football money is used in other areas, but as TB stated the big difference is the fan support. Until our fan base steps up we will continue to fight an uphill battle and grow at a slower pace than we would all like. I think I'll have a beer.
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