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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 1, 2014 13:18:00 GMT -6
Troy athletic director John Hartwell described the same position at Georgia State as “intriguing” on Sunday. “I believe the program is on the rise and has tremendous unlimited upside potential,” he said. Hartwell would be an interesting candidate for the job, which came on open on Friday when Cheryl Levick announced that she was transitioning after five years to become a special assistant to university president Mark Becker, effective July 1. m.ajc.com/weblogs/georgia-state-sports/2014/jun/01/troy-ad-calls-gsu-job-intriguing/I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Jun 1, 2014 13:36:15 GMT -6
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 1, 2014 13:37:41 GMT -6
Unless they loosen up the purse-strings and help the AD get that endzone facility built, you can start looking around for a candidate to replace him. No insider info, just a sticking point with me...
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 1, 2014 13:45:20 GMT -6
Unless they loosen up the purse-strings and help the AD get that endzone facility built, you can start looking around for a candidate to replace him. No insider info, just a sticking point with me... His biggest hurdle is and will be getting the alumnus and fans to buy into being a big time program and not just sitting back and waiting on a return without any investment. Too many people expect Troy to roll out the red carpet and provide tickets and victories at no or minimal cost to the person. He's the man for the job, but people need to invest in the product they love. I do agree that there are many issues up the hill concerning how the want the athletic department run. We all can't control that, but we can make sure we do our part my buying tickets and financially supporting our teams during the good and bad years. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 1, 2014 13:46:46 GMT -6
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 1, 2014 14:00:10 GMT -6
Until the AD becomes self-sufficient, football will need some help. And until giving can cover that, Our Dear Leader should give just enough to get this ground broken...The line, "We're gonna build it soon..." is starting to get a little old...if I had it, we'd have it.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 1, 2014 14:09:34 GMT -6
Until the AD becomes self-sufficient, football will need some help. And until giving can cover that, Our Dear Leader should give just enough to get this ground broken...The line, "We're gonna build it soon..." is starting to get a little old...if I had it, we'd have it. Couldn't agree more. If I write a check to Troy athletics there is no reason for it to go up the hill before landing in the athletic fund. Having a micro manager at the top of the university is not a good thing for growth. The do more with less mantra has handcuffed this university. Imagine what they could do with more. We are constantly losing quality people because of a refusal to pay them at or near their worth. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 1, 2014 14:16:59 GMT -6
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Post by Troystet on Jun 1, 2014 14:30:16 GMT -6
Possibly could but his record this last sports season was not good. I think he stays this year and if the success is better he jumps ship..jmo.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 1, 2014 14:41:22 GMT -6
IMO he waits a year. We had a horrible sports year across every major sport. If we have better success next year he will probably leave. I don't think,the timing is right right now unless he just wants out at Troy. IMO that would be the only reason to jump to GSU
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 1, 2014 15:07:37 GMT -6
@dewisetrojan: Just spoke with @john_hartwell about name being tied to Ga. St. AD opening: said he's not actively pursuing it.
@dewisetrojan: Said if offered an interview, would have to consider all factors surrounding program before accepting interview. Noted he is happy at Troy.
@dewisetrojan: Also said he has plenty he still wants to accomplish at Troy.
I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 1, 2014 15:22:32 GMT -6
I'm going to move this thread.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 1, 2014 15:51:01 GMT -6
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Post by Troystet on Jun 1, 2014 17:53:42 GMT -6
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 1, 2014 19:03:24 GMT -6
Is there ever a time when you see a glass half full?
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Post by Troystet on Jun 1, 2014 20:58:56 GMT -6
Is there ever a time when you see a glass half full? As usual you interpret things the way you want to, the exception being any thing your pals post. The point, if you take a second and read it, is Hartwell isn't seeking the job, the job might be seeking him. If they throw enough money or make it hard for him and his family to turn it down he might take it. He does have ties there and that's a fact. I hope he stays and sees his vision of Troy carried out, but he has to to what is in the best interest of his family. If that is staying I wish him the best and my support but if in leaving it betters his family I wish him the best also.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 1, 2014 21:15:03 GMT -6
Is there ever a time when you see a glass half full? As usual you interpret things the way you want to, the exception being any thing your pals post. The point, if you take a second and read it, is Hartwell isn't seeking the job, the job might be seeking him. If they throw enough money or make it hard for him and his family to turn it down he might take it. He does have ties there and that's a fact. I hope he stays and sees his vision of Troy carried out, but he has to to what is in the best interest of his family. If that is staying I wish him the best and my support but if in leaving it betters his family I wish him the best also. Such negativity... you always seem to default to worse case scenario as if it were the only recourse. Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk
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Post by Trojan Warrior on Jun 2, 2014 3:49:18 GMT -6
I believe this would be a lateral career move for Hartwell. However, you can't blame him for saying that the job would be "intriguing" His 2013 Salary at Troy was $210,000 The 2013 Salary for GSU's AD was $290,000 Bottom line, if we want to keep him, we must compensate him accordingly. If we don't, it will only be a matter of time before something better comes along ( take a look at this list). sFi_lance
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Post by Troystet on Jun 2, 2014 5:19:42 GMT -6
Such negativity... you always seem to default to worse case scenario as if it were the only recourse. Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk learn the difference in negative and facts. You get on here and rail about the administration not ponying up millions of dollars for salaries and a field house and everything else you want. That is being negative also. The fact is I said the only reason Hartwell would leave for GSU is money or to leave Troy now. If he really wants the big move he needs to finish things here and get the programs turned around. When he does that the big boys will come calling. Personally I think he stays for at least 2 years to get the ship righted.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 2, 2014 5:23:54 GMT -6
I believe this would be a lateral career move for Hartwell. However, you can't blame him for saying that the job would be "intriguing" His 2013 Salary at Troy was $210,000 The 2013 Salary for GSU's AD was $290,000 Bottom line, if we want to keep him, we must compensate him accordingly. If we don't, it will only be a matter of time before something better comes along ( take a look at this list). the steal on that list is # 65 at UCF. He has that school turned around and competing across the board. I can't believe he has not been snatched up, especially when the AD at FI who is making more???! sFi_lance
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Post by Hemi Man on Jun 2, 2014 7:08:27 GMT -6
I believe this would be a lateral career move for Hartwell. However, you can't blame him for saying that the job would be "intriguing" His 2013 Salary at Troy was $210,000 The 2013 Salary for GSU's AD was $290,000 Bottom line, if we want to keep him, we must compensate him accordingly. If we don't, it will only be a matter of time before something better comes along ( take a look at this list). sFi_lance I believe John Hartwell is around $230,000 now. If he receives a similar increase this year that would make it close to a lateral move when you figure in the cost of living. His connections to GSU concerns me more than the financial difference. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 2, 2014 8:32:54 GMT -6
Such negativity... you always seem to default to worse case scenario as if it were the only recourse. Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk learn the difference in negative and facts. You get on here and rail about the administration not ponying up millions of dollars for salaries and a field house and everything else you want. That is being negative also. The fact is I said the only reason Hartwell would leave for GSU is money or to leave Troy now. If he really wants the big move he needs to finish things here and get the programs turned around. When he does that the big boys will come calling. Personally I think he stays for at least 2 years to get the ship righted. It's not negative to say the school needs to help the AD not fall behind because the fans can't do it all yet. Our adiministration has tight purse strings. Steve Dennis didn't get the money coming in while Troy had its most successful run in their short SBC history. We got a bargain and saw no need to attempt to sustain it because we'd never been at this level with this success. We've lost coaches because we didn't pay them a fair market value...those purse strings are tight. So, if the admin won't blow the dust off their checkbook, it's up to US to get the coaches paid and the endzone facility built...you got the rest of it?
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Post by Troystet on Jun 2, 2014 9:08:27 GMT -6
It's not negative to say the school needs to help the AD not fall behind because the fans can't do it all yet. Our adiministration has tight purse strings. Steve Dennis didn't get the money coming in while Troy had its most successful run in their short SBC history. We got a bargain and saw no need to attempt to sustain it because we'd never been at this level with this success. We've lost coaches because we didn't pay them a fair market value...those purse strings are tight. So, if the admin won't blow the dust off their checkbook, it's up to US to get the coaches paid and the endzone facility built...you got the rest of it? I will state concerns I have had for a while and that is Troy getting into a arms race that it doesn't have the resources for. I want Troy to succeed as badly as anyone but we just don't have the Alumni base, enrollment, or town that other schools have. It is nice to say we need to get off the money but do we have the money to get off of?? We are spending money on badly needed projects on campus...Alumni Hall, Dining Hall, Bibb Graves, Long Hall and of course a way overdue basketball arena. Do we have the funds to pay AD's, coaches etc that much bigger, better funded programs do?? I don't know but my guess is no. Troy for years and to a degree still is a Teacher's college, which means not a lot of wealthy alumni. We all need to give and support Troy all we can. Some supporters and alumni do but not all do to athletics. Some endow scholarships, some give to departments like music and education, some give to athletics. I wish we had more donors but we have to continue to reach out to all alumni and supporters. Sadly it's a catch 22 in athletics. We need Money to compete at the D1 level but people give more when teams are winning and we are in a current dry spell right now. D1 ball is a survival of the fittest. We are competing for recruits that are looking for facilities, wining programs, chance to play etc. I hope we have this unused money that we aren't spending and if this is true then shame on our University. If not then we have to get creative with what we have currently while doing everything possible to increase donations.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jun 2, 2014 9:22:59 GMT -6
It's not negative to say the school needs to help the AD not fall behind because the fans can't do it all yet. Our adiministration has tight purse strings. Steve Dennis didn't get the money coming in while Troy had its most successful run in their short SBC history. We got a bargain and saw no need to attempt to sustain it because we'd never been at this level with this success. We've lost coaches because we didn't pay them a fair market value...those purse strings are tight. So, if the admin won't blow the dust off their checkbook, it's up to US to get the coaches paid and the endzone facility built...you got the rest of it? I will state concerns I have had for a while and that is Troy getting into a arms race that it doesn't have the resources for. I want Troy to succeed as badly as anyone but we just don't have the Alumni base, enrollment, or town that other schools have. It is nice to say we need to get off the money but do we have the money to get off of?? We are spending money on badly needed projects on campus...Alumni Hall, Dining Hall, Bibb Graves, Long Hall and of course a way overdue basketball arena. Do we have the funds to pay AD's, coaches etc that much bigger, better funded programs do?? I don't know but my guess is no. Troy for years and to a degree still is a Teacher's college, which means not a lot of wealthy alumni. We all need to give and support Troy all we can. Some supporters and alumni do but not all do to athletics. Some endow scholarships, some give to departments like music and education, some give to athletics. I wish we had more donors but we have to continue to reach out to all alumni and supporters. Sadly it's a catch 22 in athletics. We need Money to compete at the D1 level but people give more when teams are winning and we are in a current dry spell right now. D1 ball is a survival of the fittest. We are competing for recruits that are looking for facilities, wining programs, chance to play etc. I hope we have this unused money that we aren't spending and if this is true then shame on our University. If not then we have to get creative with what we have currently while doing everything possible to increase donations. We'll agree to disagree on this. We jumped into this thing with both feet and there's no going back. We threw down a gauntlet that the other members picked up and are collectively slapping us across the face with it. The money will come, down the road from the TW program but, until then, the accountants need to pinch the pennies to at-least break ground. jmho of course.
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Post by Troystet on Jun 2, 2014 9:39:15 GMT -6
I 100% agree on the need for the field house. I don't know the behind the scenes monetary aspect of the school. If true then it is shameful beyond words. If not then I can't critique a administration for not spending money it doesn't have. I do agree with you on Dennis dropping the ball. He was a poor AD and bailed before the poop hit the fan ( being polite). He kicked the can down the road for someone else to worry about. Now we are behind and playing catch up when we were out front and had our chance to capatilize. I firmly believe had Hartwell been AD during this run we would have had the field house now and would have championship caliper teams across all sports.
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