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Post by bennekles on Dec 13, 2020 20:43:56 GMT -6
I wouldn’t be disappointed with Ansley but if the wish list is for head coach experience, I’d think Schinnick at UWF might be a name in the mix. He has won everywhere he’s coached including the D2 national championship in 2019 and has built a specialty in building programs from the ground up. The next coach might be facing a pretty big rebuild. D-2 did not play this year and UWF has been reluctant to get sports back going thus far so he might be interested. Not sure if he’d be ready for a jump to D1 but he seems to be a high quality human being that does not seem to have any baggage. Pete Shinnick, Jon Sumrall, and Derrick Ansley are my top 3 when we need to make a move.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Dec 13, 2020 20:52:39 GMT -6
We've already given on the job training for two head coaches. One turned out great, the other is why we have this thread. Why does it have to be an alum? Why does it have to be someone who coached FG ball holders with Blakeney 9 years ago? Get a young, successful coach from a I-AA school who already knows how to create a winning culture and be the leader of the program and get out of their way! It doesn't have to be an alum or a Blakeney assistant, but it's just like anywhere else. You want someone who knows your program from the inside, so that they know the traditions and how things are supposed to go. If DA became the head coach, I would be so proud to see him on those sidelines. I don't care about being proud of a coach because they're an alum. I want to be proud of a coach that wins. If Ainsley went 0-24 would you still want him to be HC because you were proud of him?
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Post by bennekles on Dec 13, 2020 20:54:14 GMT -6
It doesn't have to be an alum or a Blakeney assistant, but it's just like anywhere else. You want someone who knows your program from the inside, so that they know the traditions and how things are supposed to go. If DA became the head coach, I would be so proud to see him on those sidelines. I don't care about being proud of a coach because they're an alum. I want to be proud of a coach that wins. If Ainsley went 0-24 would you still want him to be HC because you were proud of him? Probably still would be because he is and was a great Trojan. I don't live and die off of who the coach is, or what the record is. My team is my team, 12-0 or 0-12.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 13, 2020 20:54:28 GMT -6
I wouldn’t be disappointed with Ansley but if the wish list is for head coach experience, I’d think Schinnick at UWF might be a name in the mix. He has won everywhere he’s coached including the D2 national championship in 2019 and has built a specialty in building programs from the ground up. The next coach might be facing a pretty big rebuild. D-2 did not play this year and UWF has been reluctant to get sports back going thus far so he might be interested. Not sure if he’d be ready for a jump to D1 but he seems to be a high quality human being that does not seem to have any baggage. Pete Shinnick, Jon Sumrall, and Derrick Ansley are my top 3 when we need to make a move. Good coach but he has only coached at D2 level. It can happen. Brian Kelly made the jump but he won several D2 titles
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Post by bennekles on Dec 13, 2020 20:56:27 GMT -6
Pete Shinnick, Jon Sumrall, and Derrick Ansley are my top 3 when we need to make a move. Good coach but he has only coached at D2 level. It can happen. Brian Kelly made the jump but he won several D2 titles Yeah, and Shinnick made the Final in UWF's second year and won it in the fourth. He'd be fine to lead the Trojans and already has Mobile area recruiting ties.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Dec 13, 2020 20:58:40 GMT -6
I don't care about being proud of a coach because they're an alum. I want to be proud of a coach that wins. If Ainsley went 0-24 would you still want him to be HC because you were proud of him? Probably still would be because he is and was a great Trojan. I don't live and die off of who the coach is, or what the record is. My team is my team, 12-0 or 0-12. Yeah, it's more important that the right person have a job for life than if they can actually do it. Are you a BoT member?
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Post by troyjan95 on Dec 13, 2020 20:59:46 GMT -6
If he is smart and they do plan to remove (The HC we don’t speak of), it would be best to settle with closed documents. Hence, he can get another job! I thought yesterdays play calling and game plan was pretty good. Outside of first series, deep ball as we were starting to run the ball well and control the game, maybe the outcome is different. So kudos to (The HC we don’t speak of) and Pugh.
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Post by bennekles on Dec 13, 2020 21:07:51 GMT -6
Probably still would be because he is and was a great Trojan. I don't live and die off of who the coach is, or what the record is. My team is my team, 12-0 or 0-12. Yeah, it's more important that the right person have a job for life than if they can actually do it. Are you a BoT member? Why does this board have to be so negative? My saying I support my university doesn't mean I want to give someone a job for life. Heck, if you know so much, why don't you go apply? I'll cheer for you too, even if you go 0-12 because that's what Trojans do.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 13, 2020 21:20:39 GMT -6
Good coach but he has only coached at D2 level. It can happen. Brian Kelly made the jump but he won several D2 titles Yeah, and Shinnick made the Final in UWF's second year and won it in the fourth. He'd be fine to lead the Trojans and already has Mobile area recruiting ties. Another advantage West FL and Shinnick has is it is the only small school playing football in Florida. He has picked up players that back in my day went to a D2 Troy because you only had UCF then and they haven't quite established themselves and Gene McDowell had the personality of a door mat. Even so what he accomplished is amazing
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Dec 13, 2020 21:26:52 GMT -6
Yeah, it's more important that the right person have a job for life than if they can actually do it. Are you a BoT member? Why does this board have to be so negative? My saying I support my university doesn't mean I want to give someone a job for life. Heck, if you know so much, why don't you go apply? I'll cheer for you too, even if you go 0-12 because that's what Trojans do. I know enough to hire on experience and results and not who I'm proud of.
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Post by Mr. Ho on Dec 13, 2020 21:35:48 GMT -6
It doesn't have to be an alum or a Blakeney assistant, but it's just like anywhere else. You want someone who knows your program from the inside, so that they know the traditions and how things are supposed to go. If DA became the head coach, I would be so proud to see him on those sidelines. I don't care about being proud of a coach because they're an alum. I want to be proud of a coach that wins. If Ainsley went 0-24 would you still want him to be HC because you were proud of him? If DA is good enough to coach DB's for the NFL Raiders and turn them around in one season...he might be good enough for TMTDM. And yes, DA has the inside track for the job first. We COULD hire some IAA head coach from South Dakota who would have to ask for directions to the Piggly Wiggly. DA probably knows how to get there. He not only is one of "us", but he was part of the group that traded annual trips to the IAA playoffs and played seven or eight road games his final two seasons - our first in DI. He was part of wins over Miss. State, Marshall and Missouri (and 1:20 from our first over LSU). He is the warrior we need.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 13, 2020 21:55:04 GMT -6
I would like to put a little different spin on it. Troy is not a city. I think it is growing nicely (and hey doesn’t like Hobby Lobby) it is a smallish place. Someone with ties is nice. Ties not a small pass through shoe string like some now here. Also we have nice facilities in an up an coming conference it the South and it is warmer than more than half the country during the winter. It is at least in top 1/3 of G 5 jobs. A guy like say a a a a DA with a history may well be a good fit if we make a change. Only time will tell but this is not The MAC and ConfUSuckAlot job. This is a good job in one of the top two (or at least three) G5 conferences and the potential for success is good.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 13, 2020 21:56:07 GMT -6
Oh by the way those who don’t like hobby lobby are not a whole bunch of folks but they would hate Troy!!!! Might ask that question first on next coach interview???
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Dec 13, 2020 22:01:09 GMT -6
Who in the flying blue hell cares if they don't know where Piggly Wiggly is!!!
"Oh, I see you coached your I-AA team to 5 conference championships and 3 national championships, but sorry, we're going with a position coach, he's an alum that knows where Piggly Wiggly is."
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Post by bennekles on Dec 13, 2020 22:01:56 GMT -6
Why does this board have to be so negative? My saying I support my university doesn't mean I want to give someone a job for life. Heck, if you know so much, why don't you go apply? I'll cheer for you too, even if you go 0-12 because that's what Trojans do. I know enough to hire on experience and results and not who I'm proud of. All I said was that I am proud of what Ansley has accomplished and what I believe he could do as head man at Troy. But you go on and do you.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 13, 2020 22:17:50 GMT -6
Who in the flying blue hell cares if they don't know where Piggly Wiggly is!!! "Oh, I see you coached your I-AA team to 5 conference championships and 3 national championships, but sorry, we're going with a position coach, he's an alum that knows where Piggly Wiggly is." Walgreen's is open 24/7 and your prescription is obviously overdue for refill.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Dec 13, 2020 22:24:59 GMT -6
Who in the flying blue hell cares if they don't know where Piggly Wiggly is!!! "Oh, I see you coached your I-AA team to 5 conference championships and 3 national championships, but sorry, we're going with a position coach, he's an alum that knows where Piggly Wiggly is." Walgreen's is open 24/7 and your prescription is obviously overdue for refill. You can take your post and use it for a suppository. Hiring unproven alumni over proven winners is ridiculous.
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Post by skeletor on Dec 13, 2020 22:26:12 GMT -6
That Piggly Wiggly was a Winn-dixie back when he was here. He may not know where the Piggly Wiggly is. Not that that matters, just an observation.
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Post by ksdtrojan on Dec 13, 2020 22:37:04 GMT -6
Not everyone will be satisfied with any one hire no matter what, unless whoever it ends up being brings TMTDM and the offense back to what we all desire.
I like Derrick Ansley as the choice but I’ll get behind anyone who presents themselves as a winner and proves that on the field.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Dec 13, 2020 22:40:13 GMT -6
Not everyone will be satisfied with any one hire no matter what, unless whoever it ends up being brings TMTDM and the offense back to what we all desire. Whoever ends up with the job better have Vic Koenning on speed dial.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 13, 2020 22:48:38 GMT -6
Not everyone will be satisfied with any one hire no matter what, unless whoever it ends up being brings TMTDM and the offense back to what we all desire. Whoever ends up with the job better have Vic Koenning on speed dial. Now there's a TroyKindaGuy cornhole could live with but it ain't gonna happen.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 14, 2020 7:08:36 GMT -6
What I hope and pray for is that they talk to players that played under LB at the end and then for NB. Find out from a player perspective the change and intangibles that turned the program around. Then study these traits and look for candidates that have these traits. I have talked to one player that I know and he 200% said out of the two we narrowed it down to, we absolutely picked wrong because of those traits. If that is Ansley great, if not then keep looking. Intangibles and discipline matter.
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Post by Mr. Ho on Dec 14, 2020 10:14:26 GMT -6
What I hope and pray for is that they talk to players that played under LB at the end and then for NB. Find out from a player perspective the change and intangibles that turned the program around. Then study these traits and look for candidates that have these traits. I have talked to one player that I know and he 200% said out of the two we narrowed it down to, we absolutely picked wrong because of those traits. If that is Ansley great, if not then keep looking. Intangibles and discipline matter. But as a former player yourself and the type of player Ansley was here, you know leadership is probably in his blood and TMTDM in his DNA. I think players would flock to this program (which they tend to anyway). Obviously, I'm such an Ansley homer.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 14, 2020 10:20:43 GMT -6
What I hope and pray for is that they talk to players that played under LB at the end and then for NB. Find out from a player perspective the change and intangibles that turned the program around. Then study these traits and look for candidates that have these traits. I have talked to one player that I know and he 200% said out of the two we narrowed it down to, we absolutely picked wrong because of those traits. If that is Ansley great, if not then keep looking. Intangibles and discipline matter. But as a former player yourself and the type of player Ansley was here, you know leadership is probably in his blood and TMTDM in his DNA. I think players would flock to this program (which they tend to anyway). Obviously, I'm such an Ansley homer. The intangibles Neal had worked to turn us around. Ansley might have those. Just being a good assistant coach is not enough. We absolutely have to get it right like we did in 2015. Can you imagine what we would look like if (The HC we don’t speak of) was hired in 2015?
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 14, 2020 10:52:30 GMT -6
But as a former player yourself and the type of player Ansley was here, you know leadership is probably in his blood and TMTDM in his DNA. I think players would flock to this program (which they tend to anyway). Obviously, I'm such an Ansley homer. The intangibles Neal had worked to turn us around. Ansley might have those. Just being a good assistant coach is not enough. We absolutely have to get it right like we did in 2015. Can you imagine what we would look like if (The HC we don’t speak of) was hired in 2015? you foul mouthed delinquent!!!! How dare you say such a thing...â¦â¦â¦...The thought...â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦.The horror...â¦â¦â¦â¦...The thank you Neal Brownsssssssssssssss. I am thinking we may be closer to ULM than say possibly being back in the game next year.
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