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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 10, 2018 13:41:29 GMT -6
Neal has his old Texas connections and while not a great way to do it there are tons of JUCOs in Kansas. Sure lots of things with those guys but at least near by and unofficial visits etc. At least a potential way for KState to contend with some other guys including the occasional SouthEast kid from his contacts here. Hope is does not happen but this is a real possible. Remember KState not long ago was a top ten program and NB is a good coach and Vic is an outstanding D coordinator. Are they after VK as well? He played there and coached there and Neal and he do well together. My guess is yes. We shall soon see and so now we wait. If this bullet passes we will have him for another year. If not, we’ll move on.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Dec 10, 2018 13:44:42 GMT -6
I believe his job could be a lot easier if he kept waiting for the right gig. Kansas State is much more difficult to recruit than an eastern/southern school. Not to mention he's going to have to go against a Kansas that has decided it wants to pour money into its football program. He's going to be recruiting Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, etc. against Les Miles. There's a chance Arkansas, Ole Miss, Baylor, Virginia Tech, and even Florida State could be looking for a coach next season if things don't turn around at those places. I could see Brown doing very well, very quickly at one of those places.
And if Mark Stoops ever leaves Kentucky, I think everyone knows that Neal Brown will be the #1 choice for them. These P5 schools like Kansas State are going to demand higher buyouts than what Troy currently has set up. That's going to make it harder for Neal Brown to leave a P5 school if he winds up not desiring to stay there.
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Post by startedasredwave on Dec 10, 2018 13:52:24 GMT -6
Are they after VK as well? He played there and coached there and Neal and he do well together. My guess is yes. We shall soon see and so now we wait. If this bullet passes we will have him for another year. If not, we’ll move on. We shall see.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 10, 2018 13:58:43 GMT -6
Neal has his old Texas connections and while not a great way to do it there are tons of JUCOs in Kansas. Sure lots of things with those guys but at least near by and unofficial visits etc. At least a potential way for KState to contend with some other guys including the occasional SouthEast kid from his contacts here. Hope is does not happen but this is a real possible. Remember KState not long ago was a top ten program and NB is a good coach and Vic is an outstanding D coordinator. Have to recruit Texas in the Big 12. Trouble is he'll get the table scraps from OU and Texas. He'd be better off homesteading at Troy. Just my opinion Ummm.... you do realize that most schools only can give out 20 to 25 scholarships a year. There is plenty of talent in a Texas and plenty of competition for that talent. That will not be ANY different no matter where he goes.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 10, 2018 14:01:48 GMT -6
I believe his job could be a lot easier if he kept waiting for the right gig. Kansas State is much more difficult to recruit than an eastern/southern school. Not to mention he's going to have to go against a Kansas that has decided it wants to pour money into its football program. He's going to be recruiting Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, etc. against Les Miles. There's a chance Arkansas, Ole Miss, Baylor, Virginia Tech, and even Florida State could be looking for a coach next season if things don't turn around at those places. I could see Brown doing very well, very quickly at one of those places. And if Mark Stoops ever leaves Kentucky, I think everyone knows that Neal Brown will be the #1 choice for them. These P5 schools like Kansas State are going to demand higher buyouts than what Troy currently has set up. That's going to make it harder for Neal Brown to leave a P5 school if he winds up not desiring to stay there. If he goes to Arkansas, VA Tech, FSU, Baylor, Ole Miss he is going to have massive competition for recruits against better coaches than Les Miles.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Dec 10, 2018 14:46:23 GMT -6
I believe his job could be a lot easier if he kept waiting for the right gig. Kansas State is much more difficult to recruit than an eastern/southern school. Not to mention he's going to have to go against a Kansas that has decided it wants to pour money into its football program. He's going to be recruiting Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, etc. against Les Miles. There's a chance Arkansas, Ole Miss, Baylor, Virginia Tech, and even Florida State could be looking for a coach next season if things don't turn around at those places. I could see Brown doing very well, very quickly at one of those places. And if Mark Stoops ever leaves Kentucky, I think everyone knows that Neal Brown will be the #1 choice for them. These P5 schools like Kansas State are going to demand higher buyouts than what Troy currently has set up. That's going to make it harder for Neal Brown to leave a P5 school if he winds up not desiring to stay there. If he goes to Arkansas, VA Tech, FSU, Baylor, Ole Miss he is going to have massive competition for recruits against better coaches than Les Miles. The name brand of those schools doesn't compare to Kansas State though. Neither do the facilities. Kansas State has an all-time losing record in football throughout it's entire history. Their all-time record is worse than Iowa State, which says a lot.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 10, 2018 14:54:43 GMT -6
Have to recruit Texas in the Big 12. Trouble is he'll get the table scraps from OU and Texas. He'd be better off homesteading at Troy. Just my opinion Ummm.... you do realize that most schools only can give out 20 to 25 scholarships a year. There is plenty of talent in a Texas and plenty of competition for that talent. That will not be ANY different no matter where he goes. Yes tough anywhere but his coaches can easily show up on JUCO campuses and there are some good athletes at those locations. The ability to plug in an athlete is not really the problem but it is harder for other schools to just be around the Jayhawk conference.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Dec 10, 2018 15:37:18 GMT -6
This would be career limiting move for Neal and he knows it.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 10, 2018 15:56:21 GMT -6
This would be career limiting move for Neal and he knows it. Not if he has sites on a bigger Power 5 job....
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Dec 10, 2018 16:25:04 GMT -6
This would be career limiting move for Neal and he knows it. Not if he has sites on a bigger Power 5 job.... Oh he does for sure. KS is still career limiting in the long run. Big picture.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 10, 2018 16:31:41 GMT -6
Ummm.... you do realize that most schools only can give out 20 to 25 scholarships a year. There is plenty of talent in a Texas and plenty of competition for that talent. That will not be ANY different no matter where he goes. Yes tough anywhere but his coaches can easily show up on JUCO campuses and there are some good athletes at those locations. The ability to plug in an athlete is not really the problem but it is harder for other schools to just be around the Jayhawk conference. Problem is you can't sustain success doing that. You can win depending on what particular talent is there but you end up in never ending rebuilding years and down years when the juco talent is off. Synder could win in the short run but not in the long run. Manhattan, KS is in BFE...worse than Troy
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 10, 2018 16:36:17 GMT -6
Not if he has sites on a bigger Power 5 job.... Oh he does for sure. KS is still career limiting in the long run. Big picture. If he goes to KState wins between 8 to 10 games a year for three years (similar to while at Troy) all the big boy programs would have a MUCH greater interest in him than if he stayed at Troy. Example: CNB goes to KState, averages nine wins for three years, beats some big time Big 12 programs along the way. (And KState would love him) Lincoln Riley leaves for the pros, Oklahoma would look at CNB. If signs on with OK, making the $8 to $10 million and competing for it all. Sure, it’s a long shot but If still at Troy, zero interest from Oklahoma. Just saying different ways to get to the big picture.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 10, 2018 16:36:54 GMT -6
Have to recruit Texas in the Big 12. Trouble is he'll get the table scraps from OU and Texas. He'd be better off homesteading at Troy. Just my opinion Ummm.... you do realize that most schools only can give out 20 to 25 scholarships a year. There is plenty of talent in a Texas and plenty of competition for that talent. That will not be ANY different no matter where he goes. Add Oklahoma St. Houston, AZ and AZ St. USC, UCLA, TCU, Tx Tech, Baylor, and most SEC schools. Manhattan, KS is in the middle of now where USA. You will never get the cream of the crop recruits. Plus NB better get his offense turned around because you better score 50 points or more in the Big 12 to beat OSU, OU, Texas, West Virginia etc.
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Post by troyjan95 on Dec 10, 2018 16:48:05 GMT -6
Neal Brown was ready to leave this year. Liberty and South Alabama put a hold on the move. While I like the fact it appears CNB will be with us for another year, it's not good for our program. I believe he is/was ready to move on.
He is pissed and I promise you next year will show it. I think we have our best year ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by srbtrojan on Dec 10, 2018 17:00:33 GMT -6
Neal Brown was ready to leave this year. Liberty and South Alabama put a hold on the move. While I like the fact it appears CNB will be with us for another year, it's not good for our program. I believe he is/was ready to move on. He is pissed and I promise you next year will show it. I think we have our best year ever!!!!!!!!!!!!! [ Help me understand why is it not good for our program?
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Post by gotroygo on Dec 10, 2018 17:01:33 GMT -6
Yes tough anywhere but his coaches can easily show up on JUCO campuses and there are some good athletes at those locations. The ability to plug in an athlete is not really the problem but it is harder for other schools to just be around the Jayhawk conference. Problem is you can't sustain success doing that. You can win depending on what particular talent is there but you end up in never ending rebuilding years and down years when the juco talent is off. Synder could win in the short run but not in the long run. Manhattan, KS is in BFE...worse than Troy Much worse than Troy. Terrible weather. Troy has a much better recruiting base within a 4 hr radius. K State will always be in the shadow of Oklahoma and Texas in the Big 12. West Va would be a much better job if that was open.
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Post by trojanocean on Dec 10, 2018 17:46:37 GMT -6
Neal Brown was ready to leave this year. Liberty and South Alabama put a hold on the move. While I like the fact it appears CNB will be with us for another year, it's not good for our program. I believe he is/was ready to move on. He is pissed and I promise you next year will show it. I think we have our best year ever!!!!!!!!!!!!! [ Help me understand why is it not good for our program? Or how you even know any of this as fact?
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 10, 2018 17:47:04 GMT -6
Neal Brown was ready to leave this year. Liberty and South Alabama put a hold on the move. While I like the fact it appears CNB will be with us for another year, it's not good for our program. I believe he is/was ready to move on. He is pissed and I promise you next year will show it. I think we have our best year ever!!!!!!!!!!!!! We beat South Alabama. Curious if we beat Liberty, what other opportunities would have magically appeared for him that are not currently available ?
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Post by Trojan Warrior on Dec 10, 2018 18:00:42 GMT -6
It will be North Dakota State’s Chris Kleiman
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Post by doc71 on Dec 10, 2018 18:00:51 GMT -6
Football Scoop reporting Chris Klieman to be KSU coach!!!
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Post by Mr E 205 Legion on Dec 10, 2018 18:06:05 GMT -6
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 10, 2018 18:17:27 GMT -6
Tough location plus following K State icon Snyder Flip side of that coin is that program doesn’t expect National Titles and Conference Championships every single year. (Like a lot of whacked out boosters / fan bases at other schools) Hello Yoo-hoo. That’s a me!
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Post by skeeter on Dec 10, 2018 18:42:16 GMT -6
This coaches carousel is just getting started. Wait until Bowl season is over with. Still way to many coaches on the hot seat.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Dec 10, 2018 19:30:46 GMT -6
Was the NDSU fella their 1st choice? Just because you talk to a girl at the bar dont mean you take her home. Waking up with a chubster is a career limiting move. Trust me. DT knows.
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 10, 2018 19:34:44 GMT -6
Was the NDSU fella their 1st choice? Just because you talk to a girl at the bar dont mean you take her home. Waking up with a chubster is a career limiting move. Trust me. DT knows. My guess would be there was pressure to keep the Kansas St guys, including Snyder’s son. Some of the other applicants likely weren’t willing to risk their future with those type of stipulations. Of course what do I know?
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