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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 26, 2017 20:44:24 GMT -6
Coach Brown has been great for Troy and will likely continue to be through next season. Another good season and then he is gone. LSU got him attention but south Al dropped his stock quickly. I don’t think the big boys will take him this year but surely after another solid season. Great job Coach Brown. PRECISELY! Coach Brown loves being the coach at Troy, there is no doubt. There will also come the time, a small window of time, probably 5 or 6 years and have this type of success, he will go. I believe if Neal has the success Troy had when he was here as an Assistant, he will be scooped up quick. Larry would have as well but that baggage from the Barn always hurt him, IMO. 5 or 6 years? Like the optimism but if he turns in 3 10 win seasons in a row then he gone.
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Post by saintflorian on Nov 27, 2017 3:49:36 GMT -6
Lots of really good coaches out there. I like Campbell. I like Propst. I like a lot of Coaches. But what I like best is Jeremy McClain. He will make sure we get a good one with a very calm, cool approach. And whoever we hire - I will support. would not support Propst. A menace to a college society.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 27, 2017 8:15:52 GMT -6
When you are recruiting American kids it may or may not effect recruiting. Depends on the parents or kids. His accent is a little hard to understand in some interviews I've watched Some would say that kids, or their parents, who would choose to not attend TROY simply because the coach in their sport isn't "American" are not the type of kids, or parents, we want as part of our programs. [br They may choose because he's difficult to understand sometimes. We have a Brazillian volleyball coach here at C.F.juco. I've had several friends that daughters didn't sign with them because they had trouble understanding the coach and there was no connection. Personally I have no problem if they can recruit and coach. My daughter played travel soccer for a south American man and we loved him Verdict is out on the soccer coach. He took a team Hamilton won with it and had a losing season ]
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Post by discophobia on Nov 27, 2017 8:23:28 GMT -6
I actually played on scholarship soccer and baseball at another university before I transferred to TROY during my sophomore year. Then as now, with soccer American kids want the opportunity to play and go to a school where most of the players are American. What I saw and what I would fear with a foreign coach is that he will focus on recruiting international students and then before you know it most if not the entire team will be foreign born. I remember two specific universities we played that each had foreign coaches one Scottish and one from Latin America and their teams reflected the coach, one team had zero American kids on their roster. Hopefully that hire will work out well for TROY and for the kids.
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Post by ax on Nov 27, 2017 9:30:59 GMT -6
If Neal Brown leaves, they will probably promote either Sumrall or Moore to be the head coach. I don't see us going out and poaching any head coach, unless it's a FCS coach.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 27, 2017 10:04:39 GMT -6
If Neal Brown leaves, they will probably promote either Sumrall or Moore to be the head coach. I don't see us going out and poaching any head coach, unless it's a FCS coach. Look up Steve Campbell. Bring him back home if Neal leaves. Just led Central Arkansas to their first undefeated Southland conference title and only loss was to Kansas State. Never had a losing season, one Nat Championship as a player at Troy, one as HC at Delta St and one as HC at Miss Gulf Coast Juco.
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Post by ax on Nov 27, 2017 10:10:52 GMT -6
Yeah, that would be the FCS coach. If Neal Brown were to leave, he's probably not taking much of the staff with him. He will be able to hire bigger name coaches at whatever job he takes. So my thinking is, keep the staff intact. They're doing a great job coaching and recruiting.
Campbell would be good, along with the two internal hires I mentioned.
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Post by saintflorian on Nov 27, 2017 11:10:23 GMT -6
Yeah, that would be the FCS coach. If Neal Brown were to leave, he's probably not taking much of the staff with him. He will be able to hire bigger name coaches at whatever job he takes. So my thinking is, keep the staff intact. They're doing a great job coaching and recruiting. Campbell would be good, along with the two internal hires I mentioned. this is unrealistic and a recipe for disaster. All coaches going to new schools hire/bring their own people. (some very rare exceptions) People that are in tune on their philosophy. Besides the bubble screen Clown school of offensive coaches needs to go anyway. Also, according to what you stated it doesn’t say much about our assistant coaches if CNB wouldn’t take at least some of them along with him to the next job. Coach Vic would be going. And Moore.
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Post by trojan2003 on Nov 27, 2017 12:10:33 GMT -6
Why not (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of)? He coached Corey Robinson while at Troy, was a quite successful OC at Southern Miss, and is now successful at Auburn. He actually calls the plays, and their system is similiar to ours.
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Post by trojan2003 on Nov 27, 2017 12:13:37 GMT -6
Yeah, that would be the FCS coach. If Neal Brown were to leave, he's probably not taking much of the staff with him. He will be able to hire bigger name coaches at whatever job he takes. So my thinking is, keep the staff intact. They're doing a great job coaching and recruiting. Campbell would be good, along with the two internal hires I mentioned. this is unrealistic and a recipe for disaster. All coaches going to new schools hire/bring their own people. (some very rare exceptions) People that are in tune on their philosophy. Besides the bubble screen Clown school of offensive coaches needs to go anyway. Also, according to what you stated it doesn’t say much about our assistant coaches if CNB wouldn’t take at least some of them along with him to the next job. Coach Vic would be going. And Moore. I really hope VK stays. We should offer him the HC position first.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 27, 2017 12:38:35 GMT -6
this is unrealistic and a recipe for disaster. All coaches going to new schools hire/bring their own people. (some very rare exceptions) People that are in tune on their philosophy. Besides the bubble screen Clown school of offensive coaches needs to go anyway. Also, according to what you stated it doesn’t say much about our assistant coaches if CNB wouldn’t take at least some of them along with him to the next job. Coach Vic would be going. And Moore. I really hope VK stays. We should offer him the HC position first. He didn't do well as a HC before. He is a great and I mean great DC. Much better than a HC
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Post by Hemi Man on Nov 27, 2017 12:42:43 GMT -6
this is unrealistic and a recipe for disaster. All coaches going to new schools hire/bring their own people. (some very rare exceptions) People that are in tune on their philosophy. Besides the bubble screen Clown school of offensive coaches needs to go anyway. Also, according to what you stated it doesn’t say much about our assistant coaches if CNB wouldn’t take at least some of them along with him to the next job. Coach Vic would be going. And Moore. I really hope VK stays. We should offer him the HC position first. No No. Not a head coach.
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Post by ax on Nov 27, 2017 13:08:38 GMT -6
The couple of people I've talked to, and they know their stuff, said Sumrall and Moore are probably the top two choices. VK realizes he's a DC and is happy with that. He may even stay at Troy after NB leaves.
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Post by gotroygo on Nov 27, 2017 13:42:45 GMT -6
VK was a disaster at Wyoming He is an awesome DC though We are lucky to have him as our DC
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Post by Troystet on Nov 27, 2017 14:21:06 GMT -6
The couple of people I've talked to, and they know their stuff, said Sumrall and Moore are probably the top two choices. VK realizes he's a DC and is happy with that. He may even stay at Troy after NB leaves. Promoting from within is a crap shoot. Troy did it twice during my time. Rhodes was great and won a Nat Championship. Maddox was a great coordinator but a disaster at HC
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Nov 27, 2017 14:24:43 GMT -6
The couple of people I've talked to, and they know their stuff, said Sumrall and Moore are probably the top two choices. VK realizes he's a DC and is happy with that. He may even stay at Troy after NB leaves. Promoting from within is a crap shoot. Troy did it twice during my time. Rhodes was great and won a Nat Championship. Maddox was a great coordinator but a disaster at HC It didn't work in the 80's, so it's a shoe-in not to work now. Got it.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 27, 2017 14:53:20 GMT -6
Promoting from within is a crap shoot. Troy did it twice during my time. Rhodes was great and won a Nat Championship. Maddox was a great coordinator but a disaster at HC It didn't work in the 80's, so it's a shoe-in not to work now. Got it. 80's has nothing to do with it. Simple fact that no one knows if a assistant makes a good head coach. Some do like Neal, Scott Frost etc. Others like VK, Charlie Weiss and Maddox don't.
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Post by ax on Nov 27, 2017 16:12:37 GMT -6
It didn't work in the 80's, so it's a shoe-in not to work now. Got it. 80's has nothing to do with it. Simple fact that no one knows if a assistant makes a good head coach. Some do like Neal, Scott Frost etc. Others like VK, Charlie Weiss and Maddox don't. Agreed. Troy is one of those schools where guys prove themselves for now. Hopefully we will bet right each time, but the chances of hiring a proven head coach are slim (provided it's not a FCS coach).
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Nov 27, 2017 18:07:49 GMT -6
Hiring a proven successful FCS coach DOES NOT guarantee success at the FBS level. Though hiring a "proven" coach is less risky than hiring one with little to no head coaching experience, there's no guarantee of success. In fact, hiring a proven FBS coach does not come with a guarantee. Remember how dominate Spurrier was at UF? While he brought improvement to SC, they never won a championship of any kind. There are MULTIPLE factors that determine whether a coach will be successful at a new job, and while past oerformance is a good indicator, it's not all that needs to be considered. When the time comes to replace CNB, let's trust the people making the decision to make the right one, like they did with CNB, whoever that may be.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 27, 2017 19:34:00 GMT -6
Hiring a proven successful FCS coach DOES NOT guarantee success at the FBS level. Though hiring a "proven" coach is less risky than hiring one with little to no head coaching experience, there's no guarantee of success. In fact, hiring a proven FBS coach does not come with a guarantee. Remember how dominate Spurrier was at UF? While he brought improvement to SC, they never won a championship of any kind. There are MULTIPLE factors that determine whether a coach will be successful at a new job, and while past oerformance is a good indicator, it's not all that needs to be considered. When the time comes to replace CNB, let's trust the people making the decision to make the right one, like they did with CNB, whoever that may be. Except the AD that hired NB is gone
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Nov 27, 2017 19:51:12 GMT -6
Hiring a proven successful FCS coach DOES NOT guarantee success at the FBS level. Though hiring a "proven" coach is less risky than hiring one with little to no head coaching experience, there's no guarantee of success. In fact, hiring a proven FBS coach does not come with a guarantee. Remember how dominate Spurrier was at UF? While he brought improvement to SC, they never won a championship of any kind. There are MULTIPLE factors that determine whether a coach will be successful at a new job, and while past oerformance is a good indicator, it's not all that needs to be considered. When the time comes to replace CNB, let's trust the people making the decision to make the right one, like they did with CNB, whoever that may be. Except the AD that hired NB is gone When the time comes to replace CNB, let's trust the people making the decision to make the right one, like they did with CNB, whoever that may be.So Hartwell is gone. We hired a replacement and he has to be trusted to lead the search, whenever it occurs. If he can't be trusted to make those decisions, he shouldn't have been given that responsibility. I have three things I want from our next coach, in this order: 1) Be a man of character. Don't cheat...either in football, life, or marriage. This man is leading and teaching young men. He doesn't gave to be a Sunday School teacher, but he has to be a good example. 2) Win football games. 3) Relate to the students, fans, and alumni well enough to continue to grow the program. As long as these values are met, I couldn't care less who the next coach is, therefore I choose to trust those given that responsibility to find the right guy.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Nov 28, 2017 9:26:34 GMT -6
Except the AD that hired NB is gone When the time comes to replace CNB, let's trust the people making the decision to make the right one, like they did with CNB, whoever that may be.So Hartwell is gone. We hired a replacement and he has to be trusted to lead the search, whenever it occurs. If he can't be trusted to make those decisions, he shouldn't have been given that responsibility. I have three things I want from our next coach, in this order: 1) Be a man of character. Don't cheat...either in football, life, or marriage. This man is leading and teaching young men. He doesn't gave to be a Sunday School teacher, but he has to be a good example. 2) Win football games. 3) Relate to the students, fans, and alumni well enough to continue to grow the program. As long as these values are met, I couldn't care less who the next coach is, therefore I choose to trust those given that responsibility to find the right guy. Will Healy from Austin Peay would be one to consider.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 28, 2017 9:44:20 GMT -6
When the time comes to replace CNB, let's trust the people making the decision to make the right one, like they did with CNB, whoever that may be.So Hartwell is gone. We hired a replacement and he has to be trusted to lead the search, whenever it occurs. If he can't be trusted to make those decisions, he shouldn't have been given that responsibility. I have three things I want from our next coach, in this order: 1) Be a man of character. Don't cheat...either in football, life, or marriage. This man is leading and teaching young men. He doesn't gave to be a Sunday School teacher, but he has to be a good example. 2) Win football games. 3) Relate to the students, fans, and alumni well enough to continue to grow the program. As long as these values are met, I couldn't care less who the next coach is, therefore I choose to trust those given that responsibility to find the right guy. Will Healy from Austin Peay would be one to consider. Steve Campbell. You don't get higher character than him. Ask anybody who played with him or for him. He's a winner, extremely smart and a man of principle
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Nov 28, 2017 10:31:56 GMT -6
Yes, TroyStet. We know you have an affinity for Steve Campbell.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 28, 2017 12:01:26 GMT -6
Yes, TroyStet. We know you have an affinity for Steve Campbell. Bordering on man crush
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