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Post by troyfb2014 on Oct 12, 2017 11:38:25 GMT -6
so easy to blame the QB I get it but majority was not his fault. Heavy blitzes on a lot of drop backs and some key drops. Like the back shoulder near the end of the game in the end zone and then a big 3rd down drop after we stopped south on their 4th down try Agree put the blame where it deserves: the HC and OC. They set up that kids and the team to fail. Poor play calling, poor personnel choices, poor (or no) adjustments, etc. you’re correct. Coaches fumbled, dropped passes, muffed a punt, missed two field goals.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 12, 2017 11:45:31 GMT -6
Agree put the blame where it deserves: the HC and OC. They set up that kids and the team to fail. Poor play calling, poor personnel choices, poor (or no) adjustments, etc. you’re correct. Coaches fumbled, dropped passes, muffed a punt, missed two field goals. There are always the people that blame the players and think the coaches are untouchable. It’s sad really. But why do you think all those things happened you describe? Lack of motivation, study and preparation. Which the coaches are responsible for. I suspect by your username that you are too young to realize the bigger picture. Oh and by the way, Coach already stated he and this team were not prepared.
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Post by tnc4troy on Oct 12, 2017 11:48:39 GMT -6
This kid is a true freshmen. Give him a break. Coach NB should have made a move long before this game. We will thanking this kicker for winning games for us in a couple of years.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Oct 12, 2017 11:51:14 GMT -6
This kid is a true freshmen. Give him a break. Coach NB should have made a move long before this game. We will thanking this kicker for winning games for us in a couple of years. We addressed this. The freshman card is not valid here because of the Great and Powerful Ted Clem. Recruiting will happen and next season there will be a new name kicking. It could happen sooner if someone in the student body steps forward.
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Post by troyfb2014 on Oct 12, 2017 11:53:20 GMT -6
you’re correct. Coaches fumbled, dropped passes, muffed a punt, missed two field goals. There are always the people that blame the players and think the coaches are untouchable. It’s sad really. But why do you think all those things happened you describe? Lack of motivation, study and preparation. Which the coaches are responsible for. I suspect by your username that you are too young to realize the bigger picture. Oh and by the way, Coach already stated he and this team were not prepared. I played at Troy and for CNB so trust me they were prepared. That’s a good coach response by him, taking the blame. At lot of the current players are my friends and they’ll admit they didn’t do what they needed to do. It’s funny how you think my age has anything to do with it though.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 12, 2017 12:04:24 GMT -6
This kid is a true freshmen. Give him a break. Coach NB should have made a move long before this game. We will thanking this kicker for winning games for us in a couple of years. We addressed this. The freshman card is not valid here because of the Great and Powerful Ted Clem. Recruiting will happen and next season there will be a new name kicking. It could happen sooner if someone in the student body steps forward. I am sure there is a young lad sitting in the international dorm right across from the stadium from Qingdao, Shandong province that has always dreamed of becoming an American hero for thousands of screaming fans. You never know if there is a young Mr. Han Fuji that studied at Liaocheng University before arriving that had a fascination with American football and idolized Morten Anderson, thus became a field goal kicker, practicing everyday. I would ask just in case he exists.
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Post by foulpolephenom on Oct 12, 2017 12:44:14 GMT -6
We addressed this. The freshman card is not valid here because of the Great and Powerful Ted Clem. Recruiting will happen and next season there will be a new name kicking. It could happen sooner if someone in the student body steps forward. I am sure there is a young lad sitting in the international dorm right across from the stadium from Qingdao, Shandong province that has always dreamed of becoming an American hero for thousands of screaming fans. You never know if there is a young Mr. Han Fuji that studied at Liaocheng University before arriving that had a fascination with American football and idolized Morten Anderson, thus became a field goal kicker, practicing everyday. I would ask just in case he exists. Worked out with Shohei Fujita and the baseball team
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Post by Troystet on Oct 12, 2017 12:50:10 GMT -6
if you look at the 2016 season till the Ark St melt down we are two completely different teams. Our offense was playing fast, we were throwing some deep routes with success and then the defense starting coming around and it seemed our whole offense changed. We played slower, the bubble screen raid came back and we didn't throw over the middle. This season our defense has played lights out. Holding even a 1-4 team to 19 points should win you games and they just wore out by a complete and utter disaster of a offense. Now it seems like we are trying to play just enough not to lose where before 2016 we had to score to win. I don't know what happened but we have no imagination in play calling, no vertical passing game to speak of and if they shut down our rushing attack we are beat (Boise and USA) we need to play fast, aggressive and with purpose and quit trying to not lose
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Post by trojanexplosion on Oct 12, 2017 12:53:09 GMT -6
Ehhh.... Kicking a soccer ball and a football are not the same. If you gave Christiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi a football and told them to kick a 35-yarder they would even have a tough time getting it through the up rights and they're the best soccer players in the world. You don't see the NFL pulling guys away from the MLS to kick a few PATs for them when they're having kicking trouble...
But yes, you do see guys come up from Australia to punt these days, but that's because Australian Rules Football is a game is based around punting with a similar shaped ball so the skills do translate better into the American game.
Glad Jan Stenerud and Garo Yepremian didn't subscribe to your theory. We had a high school here who lost their kicker to the local private catholic school that recruits. They asked the soccer team for volunteers. Kid never played a down of football in his life and not only could place kick he could punt also. He kicked in college also That's a fair point. Jan Stenerud was the first true kicker in the HOF after all. Neil O'Donoghue was an All-American for Auburn in the 70s and had a similar story of coming to the US and switching from soccer to football too. It can be done, I don't doubt that, but that's not necessarily the story for many college kickers these days. Kids are transitioning from soccer to football earlier which has lead to kicking becoming very a specialized skill which has caused some kickers to stop playing soccer and solely focus on kicking.
But, to be honest, I couldn't care less who kicked or where he came from, at this point I just want someone who can make FGs and PATs.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 12, 2017 12:59:46 GMT -6
Glad Jan Stenerud and Garo Yepremian didn't subscribe to your theory. We had a high school here who lost their kicker to the local private catholic school that recruits. They asked the soccer team for volunteers. Kid never played a down of football in his life and not only could place kick he could punt also. He kicked in college also That's a fair point. Jan Stenerud was the first true kicker in the HOF after all. Neil O'Donoghue was an All-American for Auburn in the 70s and had a similar story of coming to the US and switching from soccer to football too. It can be done, I don't doubt that, but that's not necessarily the story for many college kickers these days. Kids are transitioning from soccer to football earlier which has lead to kicking becoming very a specialized skill which has caused some kickers to stop playing soccer and solely focus on kicking.
But, to be honest, I couldn't care less who kicked or where he came from, at this point I just want someone who can make FGs and PATs.
I would love to see us get a Aussie punter. It would be worth the price of admission. He would go on to punt with just shorts and a Foster's beer and lay out the kick returner
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Post by discophobia on Oct 12, 2017 13:00:48 GMT -6
This kid is a true freshmen. Give him a break. Coach NB should have made a move long before this game. We will thanking this kicker for winning games for us in a couple of years. Hey Mr. Legassey, I hope your doing well. Your sons man bun is looking great.
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Post by troyfb2014 on Oct 12, 2017 13:05:32 GMT -6
In 2015 and 2016 COMBINED we missed a total of 10 kicks (XP and FG). 6 games this year we have missed 9 kicks already.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 12, 2017 13:26:52 GMT -6
There are always the people that blame the players and think the coaches are untouchable. It’s sad really. But why do you think all those things happened you describe? Lack of motivation, study and preparation. Which the coaches are responsible for. I suspect by your username that you are too young to realize the bigger picture. Oh and by the way, Coach already stated he and this team were not prepared. I played at Troy and for CNB so trust me they were prepared. That’s a good coach response by him, taking the blame. At lot of the current players are my friends and they’ll admit they didn’t do what they needed to do. It’s funny how you think my age has anything to do with it though. Damn if you thought that the coaching staff and players were prepared last night, I would hate to see your version of them being unprepared. That level of incompetence would burn through a man’s soul.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 12, 2017 13:29:10 GMT -6
I played at Troy and for CNB so trust me they were prepared. That’s a good coach response by him, taking the blame. At lot of the current players are my friends and they’ll admit they didn’t do what they needed to do. It’s funny how you think my age has anything to do with it though. Damn if you thought that the coaching staff and players were prepared last night, I would hate to see your version of them being unprepared. That level of incompetence would burn through a man’s soul. valid point
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Post by troyfb2014 on Oct 12, 2017 13:32:26 GMT -6
I played at Troy and for CNB so trust me they were prepared. That’s a good coach response by him, taking the blame. At lot of the current players are my friends and they’ll admit they didn’t do what they needed to do. It’s funny how you think my age has anything to do with it though. Damn if you thought that the coaching staff and players were prepared last night, I would hate to see your version of them being unprepared. That level of incompetence would burn through a man’s soul. how hard is it to realize that coaches can only do so much? At some point you have to look at players too. When I played bad I’d own up to it I wouldn’t look to blame someone. It’s just easy to point fingers and I get it
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Post by Troystet on Oct 12, 2017 13:40:30 GMT -6
Damn if you thought that the coaching staff and players were prepared last night, I would hate to see your version of them being unprepared. That level of incompetence would burn through a man’s soul. how hard is it to realize that coaches can only do so much? At some point you have to look at players too. When I played bad I’d own up to it I wouldn’t look to blame someone. It’s just easy to point fingers and I get it Players have to execute also but they aren't the ones making the game plan, calling the plays and making game adjustments
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Post by troyfb2014 on Oct 12, 2017 13:43:48 GMT -6
how hard is it to realize that coaches can only do so much? At some point you have to look at players too. When I played bad I’d own up to it I wouldn’t look to blame someone. It’s just easy to point fingers and I get it Players have to execute also but they aren't the ones making the game plan, calling the plays and making game adjustments I’ll agree with that. All I’m saying is you can’t just sit back and blame coaches
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 12, 2017 13:47:03 GMT -6
Damn if you thought that the coaching staff and players were prepared last night, I would hate to see your version of them being unprepared. That level of incompetence would burn through a man’s soul. how hard is it to realize that coaches can only do so much? At some point you have to look at players too. When I played bad I’d own up to it I wouldn’t look to blame someone. It’s just easy to point fingers and I get it Realize that it was not one player or even one unit that “had a bad day”. The entire team, their attitude, their motivation, their effort, etc. was universally horrible and embarrassing. That falls on the leadership. It’s intangibles. They entire program was not prepared and it showed. It was plain to see.
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Post by troyfb2014 on Oct 12, 2017 13:50:23 GMT -6
how hard is it to realize that coaches can only do so much? At some point you have to look at players too. When I played bad I’d own up to it I wouldn’t look to blame someone. It’s just easy to point fingers and I get it Realize that it was not one player or even one unit that “had a bad day”. The entire team, their attitude, their motivation, their effort, etc. was universally horrible and embarrassing. That falls on the leadership. It’s intangibles. They entire program was not prepared and it showed. It was plain to see. fair enough. Plenty of blame to go around. Our #1 issue in my eyes is still kicking. And it needs to be figured out ASAP
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Oct 12, 2017 13:51:09 GMT -6
how hard is it to realize that coaches can only do so much? At some point you have to look at players too. When I played bad I’d own up to it I wouldn’t look to blame someone. It’s just easy to point fingers and I get it Realize that it was not one player or even one unit that “had a bad day”. The entire team, their attitude, their motivation, their effort, etc. was universally horrible and embarrassing. That falls on the leadership. It’s intangibles. They entire program was not prepared and it showed. It was plain to see. I disagree. The defense showed up in every game this year. The saying goes the best defense is a good offense. Offense had a safety. That ain't on the defense. Defense held to 17 points and the offense couldn't match it. Special teams contributed to the failure as well. Our Defense is big time!
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Post by Troystet on Oct 12, 2017 13:59:57 GMT -6
Realize that it was not one player or even one unit that “had a bad day”. The entire team, their attitude, their motivation, their effort, etc. was universally horrible and embarrassing. That falls on the leadership. It’s intangibles. They entire program was not prepared and it showed. It was plain to see. I disagree. The defense showed up in every game this year. The saying goes the best defense is a good offense. Offense had a safety. That ain't on the defense. Defense held to 17 points and the offense couldn't match it. Special teams contributed to the failure as well. Our Defense is big time! Exactly. Defense has showed up every game and VK has made adjustments. Offense with 98% back has done nothing. We can't score points. We have a four year starter at qb and running back and qb play is dismal at best. This was supposed to be our strong suit and it's not, so is it players or coaching. I have a idea for a fund raiser. How about we tear out the bubble screen from the play book and do a public burning of it never to be used or ran again. I'd pay to do that
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Oct 12, 2017 14:27:59 GMT -6
I disagree. The defense showed up in every game this year. The saying goes the best defense is a good offense. Offense had a safety. That ain't on the defense. Defense held to 17 points and the offense couldn't match it. Special teams contributed to the failure as well. Our Defense is big time! Exactly. Defense has showed up every game and VK has made adjustments. Offense with 98% back has done nothing. We can't score points. We have a four year starter at qb and running back and qb play is dismal at best. This was supposed to be our strong suit and it's not, so is it players or coaching. I have a idea for a fund raiser. How about we tear out the bubble screen from the play book and do a public burning of it never to be used or ran again. I'd pay to do that Why is everyone hating on the bubble screen and tunnel screen? It seems to have been successful for the most part this season.
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 12, 2017 15:01:02 GMT -6
Exactly. Defense has showed up every game and VK has made adjustments. Offense with 98% back has done nothing. We can't score points. We have a four year starter at qb and running back and qb play is dismal at best. This was supposed to be our strong suit and it's not, so is it players or coaching. I have a idea for a fund raiser. How about we tear out the bubble screen from the play book and do a public burning of it never to be used or ran again. I'd pay to do that Why is everyone hating on the bubble screen and tunnel screen? It seems to have been successful for the most part of this season. Because they don't understand the concept of this offense. See Mike Leach.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 12, 2017 15:17:17 GMT -6
Why is everyone hating on the bubble screen and tunnel screen? It seems to have been successful for the most part of this season. Because they don't understand the concept of this offense. See Mike Leach. Washington State also throws successfully down the field. It also makes sense when you want to go forward that its hard to do going sideways. Bubble screen can work just not 35 times a game. Biggest problem is we aren't scoring points.
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Post by gotroygo on Oct 12, 2017 17:29:57 GMT -6
This kid was lucky to get that kick through at baton rouge. Let him transfer to faulkner if they'd even want him. Missing these (The HC we don’t speak of) shots is unacceptable
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