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Post by lassiter5858 on Sept 3, 2017 11:42:32 GMT -6
Everyone knows who I am, and everyone knows over the past 5 years, even though I read the message boards, very seldom did I ever post. Well, now that mine has graduated (thank you Troy U) and moved on, I feel open to post my opinion of what I saw yesterday. As Ty and I watched the game together, there were a few things that jumped out to me. Here they are... 1. The offense was never really on the field long enough to ever get in a rhythm. A lot of this was due to the o'line not giving the qb the time he was used to having from the past couple years. Ill touch on that in a second. I know CNB started going to the much hated "bubble screen", but I believe he was trying to get some completions to give the qb a little confidence to build on. Only problem, as usual, it didnt work. And yes, I also hate the bubble screen. 2. The o'line is lacking a couple things they've had in the past... A. Leadership. Yes 1 of those 3 linemen were mine, but I was privy to A lot of the "leadership situations" that he, Fields, and Garcia brought to the table. B. Communication. There seemed to be a lot of confusion on the blocking calls C. There were 4 out 5 lineman playing out of there normal positions, hence the penalties. I do think Coach Moore will handle this. 3. Everyone who was calling for the qb to be pulled early, come on, give me a break. Where were yall last year? Read the above. Could missing the Spring have bothered his timing? Could have, but I doubt it. Not with as many throws he makes everyday with and without pressure. He will be fine. 5. The recieving corps did look a touch off on routes, but I think this goes back to the timing and that goes back to starting with communication and the afor mentioned issues up front. Again, this will be fixed. 6. Backs needed to be fed more. Period. But there were a few times the blocking scheme didn't seem to match the play called. 7. Play calling. Hmmm...ok, all I'll say is it's damn easy sitting in a chair with a beverage, saying to run this or that, and looking at the replays vs. being on the field, heat of battle, split second decision. Yeah, I can see where they are equal. NOT. Not that I agree with every call, but hey, CNB is the 1 to live with the result and the criticism as we go on about our week. I cut him slack. BTW, do we really think he was gonna open the whole play book? 8. The Defense did show up big at times, making critical plays. Again, there were some position shuffling as well up front and at lb. It looked like some communication issues there as well. But as i said before, they will be ok. Vic will be on this. Again, these are my opinions. I feel we will be ok. Yes, I think there will be some position changes. Yes, I feel the coaches have a grasp on what went wrong and will handle it accordingly. So I welcome any civil conversation and other opinions. GO TROY!!!!!
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Post by Mr E 205 Legion on Sept 3, 2017 12:19:34 GMT -6
"Again, these are my opinions. I feel we will be ok. Yes, I think there will be some position changes. Yes, I feel the coaches have a grasp on what went wrong and will handle it accordingly." - by BL
I agree with the three opinions quoted above!
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Post by doc71 on Sept 3, 2017 12:30:14 GMT -6
Well said! I also think the O-line was likely biggest issue. Of course, I'm biased ... Offensively, we only go as far as the O-line takes us! I do think the position changes were an issue. #67 is very good Guard ... radically different to slide out to Tackle. Good young talent up there ... I have faith in Coach Moore ... we'll get it worked out.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 3, 2017 13:42:33 GMT -6
I'm not sure we have appreciated how good our offensive and defensive lines were last year. I'm afraid we are going to see that appreciation grow over the course of this season.
I posted the above yesterday during the game in the game thread. Buddy is right in that we lost three leaders on the O line. That doesn't mean we don't have leaders there this year. After all, we aren't starting 5 true freshmen on the O line. It does likely mean, however, that the leadership on this year's team hasn't been completely identified yet and will have to step up and accept that responsibility as the season progresses. There are some big shoes to fill there and I suspect that, as I said yesterday, our appreciation for what we had last year will only grow throughout the season. It always seems to work that way, we don't know what we have until it's gone.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 3, 2017 14:13:29 GMT -6
Well said! I also think the O-line was likely biggest issue. Of course, I'm biased ... Offensively, we only go as far as the O-line takes us! I do think the position changes were an issue. #67 is very good Guard ... radically different to slide out to Tackle. Good young talent up there ... I have faith in Coach Moore ... we'll get it worked out. Kelley needs to go to LT and move Rowzee back to guard. IMO Kelley is more athletic as hes built more like a tackle and was a great baseball player also. Garcia was a special talent. I played ol and have coached ol and Garcia's footwork is something very few lineman have. Lassiter was smart and tough and could move easily from position to position as could Dalton Bernnett, Kyle Wilburn and Tyler Clark in the past. Fields was big and powerful and was a great run blocker. As far as line calls Cromrite should be making these and he's a three year starter and second at center. This group is young and will get better but whether they are physical like last year is to be seen. Some lineman play with a nasty streak..Clark, Franks, Lassiter, Garcia, Bennett and Wilburn had that. Hoping this happens with this group. As far as qb goes something is off with #12. He's not the same later part of last season and this first game. He has the ability but if the production doesnt increase how long do you give him? 50% completions for 135 yds isnt going to win games and most of those completions are bubble screens that the water boy can make. I'm hoping he gets it corrected because we need him but if not you have to look to the bench. As far as the rest of the team I heard we played a lot of guys. Some guys are practice players and some are game players. I believe this staff will soon be finding our game players. Defense i cant say enough about VK. The adjustments he makes is spot on and the change in our defense is absolutely amazing. Looking back to 2010-14 to where we are now is mind boggling. I remember 2010 sitting on the second row on the 30 yard line of HC against FI Who and listening to TY Hilton turning around and laughing at our defense chasing him and now look at us. I will be there Sat to root on Troy and see old friends and the best group of teamates any guy could ever have had. That 1987 group was a special group. Look forward to seeing my old friend and teamate doc71. Go Troy
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Post by lassiter5858 on Sept 3, 2017 15:05:49 GMT -6
I'm not sure we have appreciated how good our offensive and defensive lines were last year. I'm afraid we are going to see that appreciation grow over the course of this season. I posted the above yesterday during the game in the game thread. Buddy is right in that we lost three leaders on the O line. That doesn't mean we don't have leaders there this year. After all, we aren't starting 5 true freshmen on the O line. It does likely mean, however, that the leadership on this year's team hasn't been completely identified yet and will have to step up and accept that responsibility as the season progresses. There are some big shoes to fill there and I suspect that, as I said yesterday, our appreciation for what we had last year will only grow throughout the season. It always seems to work that way, we don't know what we have until it's gone. Nailed it!
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Sept 4, 2017 6:37:25 GMT -6
Good post. I didnt see anyone call for the benching of 12 but I havent read everything. I did however notice BSU mix it up and give their starter asome rest. We did once and our speed guy bust a 13 yard run and we never try him again. Why?
DT will stick with this was a total lack of adjustment until proven otherwise. We got out coached. Vic can only do so much. Brandon might have just been off between the ears. The guy needed a break from the constant 1st and 15's.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 4, 2017 7:15:37 GMT -6
Good post. I didnt see anyone call for the benching of 12 but I havent read everything. I did however notice BSU mix it up and give their starter asome rest. We did once and our speed guy bust a 13 yard run and we never try him again. Why? DT will stick with this was a total lack of adjustment until proven otherwise. We got out coached. Vic can only do so much. Brandon might have just been off between the ears. The guy needed a break from the constant 1st and 15's. Go to the Game Thread for Saturday's game. The call for Silver's benching begins on page 3. This occurred at the beginning of quarter 2.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Sept 4, 2017 7:30:26 GMT -6
In 2009 we played Florida early on and our offensive line was way outmatched. We went on to have the #3 offense in the country. I see the same thing here. We aren't going to face another d-line like this, including arkansas state. With what we have at receiver, and the new faces on the o-line, this group will eventually gel and be very powerful. This week vs Alabama State will be a huge boone for us as far getting the timing right and building confidence going into the rest of the schedule. NMSU and Akron also have historically bad defenses so this works in our favor.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 4, 2017 7:59:42 GMT -6
Could we have won? Sure. Should we have won? Probably. Did we go into Boise and stink up he joint? Absolutely.
Let's remember one thing. We weren't playing NW Talladega National Forrest School of Squirrels. We were playing a pretty good football team. The Boise program only holds the best winning percentage in FBS for the last 16 years. This wasn't a moral victory, but we're going to be OK.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 4, 2017 8:25:07 GMT -6
Well if we were FSU we would have lost a game and our starting quarterback and now be relying on a true frost 6'5 and 185 pounds .....so those guys went in to this year figuring no matter the outcome of Sat. Game with coach Satans bunch that they had a good shot at playing them again for national title....and now possibility of not even winning conference....guys we have better QB back ups and we DO have a shot at best record ever and conference title......and yes that is not all bad compared to our expectations
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Post by frozenblue on Sept 4, 2017 9:21:52 GMT -6
Could we have won? Sure. Should we have won? Probably. Didvwe go into Boise and stink up he joint? Absolutely. Let's remember one thing. We weren't playing NW Talladega National Forrest School of Squirrels. We were playing a pretty good football team. The Boise program only holds the best winning percentage in FBS for the last 16 years. This wasn't a moral victory, but we're going to be OK. Boise hasn't lost a non-conference home game in 16 years either. Both defenses played very well and offenses struggled but its normal for the defense to be ahead of the offense early in the year. Your offense will be fine. I have one complaint. I've seen people here talk about your LSU game as unwinnable and that really burns me. You have a good team. There is no one on your schedule that you aren't capable of beating.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 4, 2017 9:36:51 GMT -6
Could we have won? Sure. Should we have won? Probably. Didvwe go into Boise and stink up he joint? Absolutely. Let's remember one thing. We weren't playing NW Talladega National Forrest School of Squirrels. We were playing a pretty good football team. The Boise program only holds the best winning percentage in FBS for the last 16 years. This wasn't a moral victory, but we're going to be OK. Boise hasn't lost a non-conference home game in 16 years either. Both defenses played very well and offenses struggled but its normal for the defense to be ahead of the offense early in the year. Your offense will be fine. I have one complaint. I've seen people here talk about your LSU game as unwinnable and that really burns me. You have a good team. There is no one on your schedule that you aren't capable of beating. Not all of us have an oh, whoa is me' attitude. I fully expect NB to have his best showing as an HC that week. He was on staff when Troy was draining the swamp in Red Stick 31-3 in the 3rd qtr...I fully expect an 11-0 finish to our regular season.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 4, 2017 9:50:40 GMT -6
Boise hasn't lost a non-conference home game in 16 years either. Both defenses played very well and offenses struggled but its normal for the defense to be ahead of the offense early in the year. Your offense will be fine. I have one complaint. I've seen people here talk about your LSU game as unwinnable and that really burns me. You have a good team. There is no one on your schedule that you aren't capable of beating. Not all of us have an oh, whoa is me' attitude. I fully expect NB to have his best showing as an HC that week. He was on staff when Troy was draining the swamp in Red Stick 31-3 in the 3rd qtr...I fully expect an 11-0 finish to our regular season. Even my Kool-Ade aint that strong. Plus the odor from that steaming pile of failure we just dropped in Boise prevents me from drinking it.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 4, 2017 10:04:42 GMT -6
Not all of us have an oh, whoa is me' attitude. I fully expect NB to have his best showing as an HC that week. He was on staff when Troy was draining the swamp in Red Stick 31-3 in the 3rd qtr...I fully expect an 11-0 finish to our regular season. Even my Kool-Ade aint that strong. Plus the odor from that steaming pile of failure we just dropped in Boise prevents me from drinking it. No biggie. Your opinion doesn't need my blessings and vice versa. We all go about believing in our own unique ways. I believe we'll win until we don't.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 4, 2017 12:21:21 GMT -6
Nice analysis.
Yes, it is easy sitting in the lazy boy and arm chair quarterbacking. But he is getting paid close to a million dollars a year to produce. Every program in the country expects results and I am glad the Troy fan base and boosters don't sit back and say "awww shucks" or " we tried our best". Accountability. It's the real world.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Sept 4, 2017 12:22:07 GMT -6
It's going to be an uphill battle to beat LSU if the mental mistakes and lack of focus aren't fixed by then. They held BYU to 97 total yards and -5 rushing yards. If we couldn't even run on Boise, then we will get stuffed by LSU unless the O-Line gets fixed.
I'm still optimistic we can beat LSU and have a great season.
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 4, 2017 14:30:26 GMT -6
Good post. I didnt see anyone call for the benching of 12 but I havent read everything. I did however notice BSU mix it up and give their starter asome rest. We did once and our speed guy bust a 13 yard run and we never try him again. Why? DT will stick with this was a total lack of adjustment until proven otherwise. We got out coached. Vic can only do so much. Brandon might have just been off between the ears. The guy needed a break from the constant 1st and 15's. Go to the Game Thread for Saturday's game. The call for Silver's benching begins on page 3. This occurred at the beginning of quarter 2. Sometimes pulling a player, especially when things are not going well, will get them back in track. Nothing wrong from a coaching point of trying that. Heck, that's one reason you carry more than one of everything and the QB doesn't get a pass in needing a break sometimes. I would have sat the lineman getting all those penalties if not any other reason that to impress upon him that his way is a detriment to team success. I saw one team Saturday that EVERY TIME a player committed a penalty they came off the field. Coach trying to make a point. I'm hoping that was a fluke start but it does get frustrating. We've now had 4 chances to make a statement (ASU, Ga So, Ohio and Boise) in the last few games and we failed on three of them. If we are going to move to that next level of play that has to get MUCH better! JMHO!
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 4, 2017 14:36:30 GMT -6
I don't think Silvers should be benched. He is a 4 year starter with a proven track record. The Offense was covered with rust. This week at practice, you can bet the O will be oiled and polished. That being said however, if a player really shows out in practice then play the best. We all know a starting position is only good for as long as you keep earning it.
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 4, 2017 15:12:49 GMT -6
I don't think Silvers should be benched. He is a 4 year starter with a proven track record. The Offense was covered with rust. This week at practice, you can bet the O will be oiled and polished. That being said however, if a player really shows out in practice then play the best. We all know a starting position is only good for as long as you keep earning it. I don't understand the "covered with rust" part but I hope you are right. They've had weeks and weeks to get the rust off. If he can have the O line "oiled and polished in one week he's even a better coach than I think he is and I think he's DARN GOOD! Let's hope you are right! I do believe this team has the parts to be a very exceptional team. The ONLY negative I've heard is a few attitude issues on the parts of one or two. Maybe last week helped get that straightened out! I'd bet this will be a week yo remember by the players. Oh my!ππΌππΌ
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 4, 2017 15:19:33 GMT -6
Go to the Game Thread for Saturday's game. The call for Silver's benching begins on page 3. This occurred at the beginning of quarter 2. Sometimes pulling a player, especially when things are not going well, will get them back in track. Nothing wrong from a coaching point of trying that. Heck, that's one reason you carry more than one of everything and the QB doesn't get a pass in needing a break sometimes. I would have sat the lineman getting all those penalties if not any other reason that to impress upon him that his way is a detriment to team success. I saw one team Saturday that EVERY TIME a player committed a penalty they came off the field. Coach trying to make a point. I'm hoping that was a fluke start but it does get frustrating. We've now had 4 chances to make a statement (ASU, Ga So, Ohio and Boise) in the last few games and we failed on three of them. If we are going to move to that next level of play that has to get MUCH better! JMHO! I agree on all points, especially the point about pulling the lineman for repeated procedure penalties. I think, however, that to call for the benching of a 4 year starter 1 quarter into the first game of the season is premature and knee jerk. I also want to point out, I'm aware you weren't the one calling for him to be pulled. I stick with my baseball analogy, if you have a rookie starter and he is stinking up the joint, the trigger gets pulled quick. If, however, you have a Cy Young winner on the mound with a career ERA of 2.15, you give him a little more leeway to work out the kinks. Now if Silvers goes out Saturday, is provided anywhere near adequate protection, and once again can't hit the side of a barn, then by all means, make a change. It's been said many times, the fan's favorite player is the back up QB. It has been obvious over the years, that holds true at TROY.
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 4, 2017 15:36:40 GMT -6
Sometimes pulling a player, especially when things are not going well, will get them back in track. Nothing wrong from a coaching point of trying that. Heck, that's one reason you carry more than one of everything and the QB doesn't get a pass in needing a break sometimes. I would have sat the lineman getting all those penalties if not any other reason that to impress upon him that his way is a detriment to team success. I saw one team Saturday that EVERY TIME a player committed a penalty they came off the field. Coach trying to make a point. I'm hoping that was a fluke start but it does get frustrating. We've now had 4 chances to make a statement (ASU, Ga So, Ohio and Boise) in the last few games and we failed on three of them. If we are going to move to that next level of play that has to get MUCH better! JMHO! I agree on all points, especially the point about pulling the lineman for repeated procedure penalties. I think, however, that to call for the benching of a 4 year starter 1 quarter into the first game of the season is premature and knee jerk. I also want to point out, I'm aware you weren't the one calling for him to be pulled. I stick with my baseball analogy, if you have a rookie starter and he is stinking up the joint, the trigger gets pulled quick. If, however, you have a Cy Young winner on the mound with a career ERA of 2.15, you give him a little more leeway to work out the kinks. Now if Silvers goes out Saturday, is provided anywhere near adequate protection, and once again can't hit the side of a barn, then by all means, make a change. It's been said many times, the fan's favorite player is the back up QB. It has been obvious over the years, that holds true at TROY. Oh I'm good with giving a QB time his experience has earned him to get it together, it's just tough to know where that ends. It's NB's gut call me thinks. Brandon was just off for whatever the reason, even on the easy flair and bubble screw passes which are usually a piece of cake for him and where most oh his high completion % numbers comes from. ASU will come hungry, hope we are back to being what most of us expected!
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 4, 2017 17:05:50 GMT -6
Keyboard coaches and AD's are always vocal following a loss. It's the nature of the beast. I'm sure the traffic on most team's message boards spike after a loss. People need to vent and sometimes feel the need to be heard.
Anyone that seriously thinks they no more about what's right for this team, whether it be player, staff, playcalling, or any other aspect of the program is just plain delusional. Its Neal's career and livelihood, that he uses to provide for his family, at stake. I'm very confident that he's made every decision to this point in hopes of winning as many games as possible.
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Post by lassiter5858 on Sept 4, 2017 17:30:45 GMT -6
Keyboard coaches and AD's are always vocal following a loss. It's the nature of the beast. I'm sure the traffic on most team's message boards spike after a loss. People need to vent and sometimes feel the need to be heard. Anyone that seriously thinks they no more about what's right for this team, whether it be player, staff, playcalling, or any other aspect of the program is just plain delusional. Its Neal's career and livelihood, that he uses to provide for his family, at stake. I'm very confident that he's made every decision to this point in hopes of winning as many games as possible. Well put!
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Post by Redwaver on Sept 5, 2017 7:50:54 GMT -6
Keyboard coaches and AD's are always vocal following a loss. It's the nature of the beast. I'm sure the traffic on most team's message boards spike after a loss. People need to vent and sometimes feel the need to be heard. Anyone that seriously thinks they no more about what's right for this team, whether it be player, staff, playcalling, or any other aspect of the program is just plain delusional. Its Neal's career and livelihood, that he uses to provide for his family, at stake. I'm very confident that he's made every decision to this point in hopes of winning as many games as possible. Hemi, I'm not sure I understand your anguish here. Where did anyone say they knew more than Neal? Is there any chance you might be assuming they think they do simply because they chose to have a difference of opinion? Neal is an outstanding coach and our players have outstanding POTENTIAL. If fans can't banner around ideas, opinions (done RESPECTFULLY), observations or do a little Sunday morning quarterbacking on sites like this one after a loss as well as a win then the site is worthless! I agree that calling for firings, getting personal in a derogatory way is improper and is pushing the limits of the site intentions but to revisit and re-evaluate games and hear each fans thought on such is the heart and soul of these type places. If some take that as improper use of the site then maybe THEY need to not visit the site. As a former player and coach I realized that that came with the territory. If you accept the accolades that goes with winning and playing well then be prepared to take the RESPECTFUL observations of the points of failure from fans that goes with losing! I agree, some go well beyond reasonable when offering their thoughts and it's usually VERY FEW and it's usually people that never played one snap, shot one shot or fielded one grounder in their lives but you try to ignore those types. I just want to read honest, RESPECTFUL and well thought out analysis when I visit here, both good and bad. I'm not interested in hearing from those that want firings or personalize unending critics of anyone associated with the team or university but they will always be there if only few in numbers. I'm through! Go Trojans!
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