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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 17, 2015 17:36:44 GMT -6
Someone please help me with this. I'm not asking in any kind of sarcastic or smart a$$ way. Why can we build an end zone facility but we can't use some money to get a higher profile, proven winner of a coach? I'm not talking about a Saban, Meyer, or Stoops, but a name that will be recognized and attract attention - and recruits! - to the program. I jumped on the CNB program with everyone else, but in hindsight, why couldn't (or didn't) the admins make this happen?
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Post by Troystet on Oct 17, 2015 17:44:08 GMT -6
Someone please help me with this. I'm not asking in any kind of sarcastic or smart a$$ way. Why can we build an end zone facility but we can't use some money to get a higher profile, proven winner of a coach? I'm not talking about a Saban, Meyer, or Stoops, but a name that will be recognized and attract attention - and recruits! - to the program. I jumped on the CNB program with everyone else, but in hindsight, why couldn't (or didn't) the admins make this happen? See Ga Southern
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 17, 2015 17:50:48 GMT -6
Someone please help me with this. I'm not asking in any kind of sarcastic or smart a$$ way. Why can we build an end zone facility but we can't use some money to get a higher profile, proven winner of a coach? I'm not talking about a Saban, Meyer, or Stoops, but a name that will be recognized and attract attention - and recruits! - to the program. I jumped on the CNB program with everyone else, but in hindsight, why couldn't (or didn't) the admins make this happen? See Ga Southern Fritz isn't famous, but he's a proven winner. That's better than taking the chance Troy took.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Oct 17, 2015 18:34:37 GMT -6
I think you're wrong. After 6 games...6? You think a mistake was made? Just take into consideration, if you will...what has taken years to break may take more than 6 games to fix. I'm going to always be an eternal optimist, that's just me. Defense is better, thankfully. I do think we have some inconsistent play from the O line and it's having an affect on the overall timing. It's correctable. Just like the WRs, we're seeing different OLs in the rotation. Still kind of early to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 17, 2015 18:41:28 GMT -6
I think you're wrong. After 6 games...6? You think a mistake was made? Just take into consideration, if you will...what has taken years to break may take more than 6 games to fix. I'm going to always be an eternal optimist, that's just me. Defense is better, thankfully. I do think we have some inconsistent play from the O line and it's having an affect on the overall timing. It's correctable. Just like the WRs, we're seeing different OLs in the rotation. Still kind of early to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 6 games. The jury is still out on a mistake or not. I'm saying a proven coach could probably get us where we want to go faster. A stadium expansion for recruits - without a proven coach - is putting the cart before the horse.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Oct 17, 2015 18:55:54 GMT -6
I think you're wrong. After 6 games...6? You think a mistake was made? Just take into consideration, if you will...what has taken years to break may take more than 6 games to fix. I'm going to always be an eternal optimist, that's just me. Defense is better, thankfully. I do think we have some inconsistent play from the O line and it's having an affect on the overall timing. It's correctable. Just like the WRs, we're seeing different OLs in the rotation. Still kind of early to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 6 games. The jury is still out on a mistake or not. I'm saying a proven coach could probably get us where we want to go faster. A stadium expansion for recruits - without a proven coach - is putting the cart before the horse. My question would be, how? You've got what you've got. You had a decent class this past Feb. You have more commits at this time of the year than any previous year since moving up. What does a 'name' get you in Troy, AL that you're not going to get from NB, at this point?
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Post by atlantatrojan on Oct 17, 2015 18:56:55 GMT -6
I think you're wrong. After 6 games...6? You think a mistake was made? Just take into consideration, if you will...what has taken years to break may take more than 6 games to fix. I'm going to always be an eternal optimist, that's just me. Defense is better, thankfully. I do think we have some inconsistent play from the O line and it's having an affect on the overall timing. It's correctable. Just like the WRs, we're seeing different OLs in the rotation. Still kind of early to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 6 games. The jury is still out on a mistake or not. I'm saying a proven coach could probably get us where we want to go faster. A stadium expansion for recruits - without a proven coach - is putting the cart before the horse. Doesn't matter. We have invested in Neal brown. And it might take a couple years. But we need to give him the right tools to be successful.... Build the thing already...
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 17, 2015 19:01:51 GMT -6
6 games. The jury is still out on a mistake or not. I'm saying a proven coach could probably get us where we want to go faster. A stadium expansion for recruits - without a proven coach - is putting the cart before the horse. My question would be, how? You've got what you've got. You had a decent class this past Feb. You have more commits at this time of the year than any previous year since moving up. What does a 'name' get you in Troy, AL that you're not going to get from NB, at this point? Maybe not losing to a sleep deprived Idaho team with the same record on our own turf.
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Post by goe1975 on Oct 17, 2015 19:10:53 GMT -6
My question would be, how? You've got what you've got. You had a decent class this past Feb. You have more commits at this time of the year than any previous year since moving up. What does a 'name' get you in Troy, AL that you're not going to get from NB, at this point? Maybe not losing to a sleep deprived Idaho team with the same record on our own turf. Reality check. Now...let's keep moving forward and figure out how to do the best with what we have...any suggestions? I have none...since I am not a Troy University Coach that is around the players every day. However, If you have some ideas that can prove the current coaches wrong and can also make things right, then you no doubt have a future as a Troy Coach. Go for it! Help us all out!
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Post by trojanbrutha on Oct 17, 2015 19:10:46 GMT -6
My question would be, how? You've got what you've got. You had a decent class this past Feb. You have more commits at this time of the year than any previous year since moving up. What does a 'name' get you in Troy, AL that you're not going to get from NB, at this point? Maybe not losing to a sleep deprived Idaho team with the same record on our own turf. We couldn't quite make it through without the sarcasm...too bad.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 17, 2015 19:20:23 GMT -6
Maybe not losing to a sleep deprived Idaho team with the same record on our own turf. We couldn't quite make it through without the sarcasm...too bad. No sarcasm! It's serious point. Maybe a proven winner could get things going faster. Maybe he could have adjusted systems and strategy to (what little) talent we have. People keep saying, "Well, we have Neal Brown now...." No joke. My original question was, why couldn't the admins use some of that red brick money (sorry, Mr. Ho) for a coach? I know Neal is the 2nd or 3rd highest paid in the 'Belt, great. Maybe we could have gone for another coach and made him 1st? I know we have the highest paid staff in the 'Belt, great. Maybe could have gone for more. Let me rephrase it. I'm not arguing keep/fire Neal Brown here. I'm asking what I asked, which is why couldn't the admins throw a little more money into the coaching coffers for a known commodity?
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Post by jonesoxygen on Oct 17, 2015 19:29:42 GMT -6
Someone please help me with this. I'm not asking in any kind of sarcastic or smart a$$ way. Why can we build an end zone facility but we can't use some money to get a higher profile, proven winner of a coach? I'm not talking about a Saban, Meyer, or Stoops, but a name that will be recognized and attract attention - and recruits! - to the program. I jumped on the CNB program with everyone else, but in hindsight, why couldn't (or didn't) the admins make this happen? We have a commitment from nearly every kid we have recruited for 2016 in this state but we need a "better name"?
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Post by trojanbrutha on Oct 17, 2015 19:29:26 GMT -6
We couldn't quite make it through without the sarcasm...too bad. No sarcasm! It's serious point. Maybe a proven winner could get things going faster. Maybe he could have adjusted systems and strategy to (what little) talent we have. People keep saying, "Well, we have Neal Brown now...." No joke. My original question was, why couldn't the admins use some of that red brick money (sorry, Mr. Ho) for a coach? I know Neal is the 2nd or 3rd highest paid in the 'Belt, great. Maybe we could have gone for another coach and made him 1st? I know we have the highest paid staff in the 'Belt, great. Maybe could have gone for more. Let me rephrase it. I'm not arguing hire/fire Neal Brown here. I'm asking what I asked, which is why couldn't the admins throw a little more money into the coaching coffers? Who do you feel would be worth paying over $1 mil to coach at Troy right now? And if you're not getting consistent QB protection, what scheme, system, or strategy is going to change what you have?
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 17, 2015 19:43:34 GMT -6
No sarcasm! It's serious point. Maybe a proven winner could get things going faster. Maybe he could have adjusted systems and strategy to (what little) talent we have. People keep saying, "Well, we have Neal Brown now...." No joke. My original question was, why couldn't the admins use some of that red brick money (sorry, Mr. Ho) for a coach? I know Neal is the 2nd or 3rd highest paid in the 'Belt, great. Maybe we could have gone for another coach and made him 1st? I know we have the highest paid staff in the 'Belt, great. Maybe could have gone for more. Let me rephrase it. I'm not arguing hire/fire Neal Brown here. I'm asking what I asked, which is why couldn't the admins throw a little more money into the coaching coffers? Who do you feel would be worth paying over $1 mil to coach at Troy right now? And if you're not getting consistent QB protection, what scheme, system, or strategy is going to change what you have? I think most of us would have been happy to pay Orgeron $1mil to attract him to Troy. There's some fine I-AA coaches up north. Maybe not famous, but they know how to win. Did we talk to any of them? Could we have got the funds to make them consider a move? Why not? To answer the 2nd question, my point is that a coach worth $1mil would probably get more out of the team than what they're getting right now.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Oct 17, 2015 19:57:26 GMT -6
Who do you feel would be worth paying over $1 mil to coach at Troy right now? And if you're not getting consistent QB protection, what scheme, system, or strategy is going to change what you have? I think most of us would have been happy to pay Orgeron $1mil to attract him to Troy. There's some fine I-AA coaches up north. Maybe not famous, but they know how to win. Did we talk to any of them? Could we have got the funds to make them consider a move? Why not? To answer the 2nd question, my point is that a coach worth $1mil would probably get more out of the team than what they're getting right now. Ok...nice talk.
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Post by Redwaver on Oct 17, 2015 21:33:58 GMT -6
I think you're wrong. After 6 games...6? You think a mistake was made? Just take into consideration, if you will...what has taken years to break may take more than 6 games to fix. I'm going to always be an eternal optimist, that's just me. Defense is better, thankfully. I do think we have some inconsistent play from the O line and it's having an affect on the overall timing. It's correctable. Just like the WRs, we're seeing different OLs in the rotation. Still kind of early to throw the baby out with the bathwater. 6 games. The jury is still out on a mistake or not. I'm saying a proven coach could probably get us where we want to go faster. A stadium expansion for recruits - without a proven coach - is putting the cart before the horse. FAU hired Howard Schnellingburget, a "proven" coach. How did that work out?
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 17, 2015 22:02:28 GMT -6
6 games. The jury is still out on a mistake or not. I'm saying a proven coach could probably get us where we want to go faster. A stadium expansion for recruits - without a proven coach - is putting the cart before the horse. FAU hired Howard Schnellingburget, a "proven" coach. How did that work out? Do you really want to spend all day cherry-picking?
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Post by Redwaver on Oct 17, 2015 22:04:12 GMT -6
Seems to be the mood today!
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Post by Redwaver on Oct 17, 2015 22:22:09 GMT -6
Let's see, the Redskins hired Spurrier, Notre Dame hired Gary Faust, Alabama hired Perkins, Florida hired Mullinchamp (sp?) etc., etc.. My point was there are no guarantees. Every "proven" coach begins somewhere unproven and like it or not, Troy is more than likely one of those places. No issue here, we hired Charlie Bradshaw years ago, a "proven" coach and that was s bust! Patience my friend, NB deserves more than 6 games. It might take longer than any of us want but we didn't get bad in 6 games either. Today's loss doesn't sit well with any of us but it's not time to start questioning the hire or the capabilities of our staff. Just one guys opinion!
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Post by trojanbrutha on Oct 17, 2015 22:38:27 GMT -6
Let's see, the Redskins hired Spurrier, Notre Dame hired Gary Faust, Alabama hired Perkins, Florida hired Mullinchamp (sp?) etc., etc.. My point was there are no guarantees. Every "proven" coach begins somewhere unproven and like it or not, Troy is more than likely one of those places. No issue here, we hired Charlie Bradshaw years ago, a "proven" coach and that was s bust! Patience my friend, NB deserves more than 6 games. It might take longer than any of us want but we didn't get bad in 6 games either. Today's loss doesn't sit well with any of us but it's not time to start questioning the hire or the capabilities of our staff. Just one guys opinion! Well said.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 18, 2015 4:33:45 GMT -6
Let's see, the Redskins hired Spurrier, Notre Dame hired Gary Faust, Alabama hired Perkins, Florida hired Mullinchamp (sp?) etc., etc.. My point was there are no guarantees. Every "proven" coach begins somewhere unproven and like it or not, Troy is more than likely one of those places. No issue here, we hired Charlie Bradshaw years ago, a "proven" coach and that was s bust! Patience my friend, NB deserves more than 6 games. It might take longer than any of us want but we didn't get bad in 6 games either. Today's loss doesn't sit well with any of us but it's not time to start questioning the hire or the capabilities of our staff. Just one guys opinion! Well said. I never said "fire Neal Brown." I asked why didn't the university consider spending more on a known commodity. Wasn't Ga. Southern's coach a successful DI-AA coach? Seems they're doing pretty decently. Spurrier- college to pro, not the same. Perkins - had a winning record at Alabama and 3-0 for bowls, but caught a lot heat for one bad season and got a good offer for the Buccaneers. Faust - High school to major DI-A university, big difference, winner or not. I'm thinking more of a DI-AA (or FCS) coach.
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Post by Redwaver on Oct 18, 2015 6:28:35 GMT -6
I guess I feel the way I go because, were it me as head coach, I would hope fans would not expect me to fix a mess in 6 games with someone else's players. I think I would appreciate s chance to recruit my own guys. Build my on system around those guys THEN if fans want to question my abilities or my "non proven" statues I'm free game. Just seems the sensible and realistic thing to do. You know. I'll bet in s few years if Troy is back on top, we are winning championships a lot of folks here will be saying, "we made a great hire back in '14!" Do you remember the first year after we hired the ladies head BB coach? Some here were ready to run her out of town thinking we hired the wrong person. Panic comes in all sizes and shapes. Accept the fact that this could be another disappointing year and that's not called being a poor fan it's called being realistic IN MY HUMBLE OPINION!
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Post by atlantatrojan on Oct 18, 2015 9:21:45 GMT -6
Who do you feel would be worth paying over $1 mil to coach at Troy right now? And if you're not getting consistent QB protection, what scheme, system, or strategy is going to change what you have? I think most of us would have been happy to pay Orgeron $1mil to attract him to Troy. There's some fine I-AA coaches up north. Maybe not famous, but they know how to win. Did we talk to any of them? Could we have got the funds to make them consider a move? Why not? To answer the 2nd question, my point is that a coach worth $1mil would probably get more out of the team than what they're getting right now. Orgeron was a good recruiter. But not good at Xs and Os... So why him? And Good FCS coaches doesn't always make Good FBS coaches... What has Craig Boyle done in his 3rd year a Wyoming ( 2time national champion at NDSU) ? Not a thing.
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Post by pcbtrojan on Oct 18, 2015 10:36:56 GMT -6
As long as the end zone project has some corporate boxes to generate revenue I'm for it. Lord knows we have gotten our money's worth out of the old field house. Time for a new one.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 18, 2015 12:10:42 GMT -6
I never said "fire Neal Brown." I asked why didn't the university consider spending more on a known commodity. Wasn't Ga. Southern's coach a successful DI-AA coach? Seems they're doing pretty decently. Spurrier- college to pro, not the same. Perkins - had a winning record at Alabama and 3-0 for bowls, but caught a lot heat for one bad season and got a good offer for the Buccaneers. Faust - High school to major DI-A university, big difference, winner or not. I'm thinking more of a DI-AA (or FCS) coach. Yes a very successful FCS coach. Turned them around immediately.
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