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Post by Troystet on Oct 18, 2015 12:11:30 GMT -6
I think most of us would have been happy to pay Orgeron $1mil to attract him to Troy. There's some fine I-AA coaches up north. Maybe not famous, but they know how to win. Did we talk to any of them? Could we have got the funds to make them consider a move? Why not? To answer the 2nd question, my point is that a coach worth $1mil would probably get more out of the team than what they're getting right now. Orgeron was a good recruiter. But not good at Xs and Os... So why him? And Good FCS coaches doesn't always make Good FBS coaches... What has Craig Boyle done in his 3rd year a Wyoming ( 2time national champion at NDSU) ? Not a thing. Nobody has won at Wyoming We aren't Wyoming. We used to have tradition
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Post by atlantatrojan on Oct 18, 2015 12:35:02 GMT -6
I never said "fire Neal Brown." I asked why didn't the university consider spending more on a known commodity. Wasn't Ga. Southern's coach a successful DI-AA coach? Seems they're doing pretty decently. Spurrier- college to pro, not the same. Perkins - had a winning record at Alabama and 3-0 for bowls, but caught a lot heat for one bad season and got a good offer for the Buccaneers. Faust - High school to major DI-A university, big difference, winner or not. I'm thinking more of a DI-AA (or FCS) coach. Ga southern has far more talent to work with than we do... He walked into a good situation to win immediately with... You cannot compare
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Post by atlantatrojan on Oct 18, 2015 12:35:44 GMT -6
Orgeron was a good recruiter. But not good at Xs and Os... So why him? And Good FCS coaches doesn't always make Good FBS coaches... What has Craig Boyle done in his 3rd year a Wyoming ( 2time national champion at NDSU) ? Not a thing. Nobody has won at Wyoming We aren't Wyoming. We used to have tradition Nobody has won here in 5 years.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 18, 2015 12:39:58 GMT -6
I never said "fire Neal Brown." I asked why didn't the university consider spending more on a known commodity. Wasn't Ga. Southern's coach a successful DI-AA coach? Seems they're doing pretty decently. Spurrier- college to pro, not the same. Perkins - had a winning record at Alabama and 3-0 for bowls, but caught a lot heat for one bad season and got a good offer for the Buccaneers. Faust - High school to major DI-A university, big difference, winner or not. I'm thinking more of a DI-AA (or FCS) coach. Ga southern has far more talent to work with than we do... He walked into a good situation to win immediately with... You cannot compare 4-8 the Year before
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Post by atlantatrojan on Oct 18, 2015 13:05:05 GMT -6
Ga southern has far more talent to work with than we do... He walked into a good situation to win immediately with... You cannot compare 4-8 the Year before They have more talent man. So what if they were 4-8 the year before... The year before that they were 7-4 Just because they went 4-8 didn't mean they had no talent.
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Post by troyjan95 on Oct 18, 2015 13:56:14 GMT -6
yesterday - very, very bad loss I still see a defense that is much, much better I see a team that is much more physically fit I see an offense that is struggling and in most part due to the little things, dropped passes, penalties and just plain inconsistency I also see an aggressive recruiting approach that I believe will pay dividends It will take until year 3 or 4 - hang in there
I mean Holmes is a Senior and our best receiver but he does not start - that means we have issues from a commitment stanpoint and lack of attention to detail by the kids in my opinion
Go Trojans!
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 18, 2015 15:37:06 GMT -6
Folks, just because a I-AA coach has failed, doesn't mean that ALL I-AA coaches fail. And applied to our situation it makes more sense to me that if you KNOW you have no talent, then you could at least go with an EXPERIENCED coach.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 18, 2015 15:40:33 GMT -6
Folks, just because a I-AA coach has failed, doesn't mean that ALL I-AA coaches fail. And applied to our situation it makes more sense to me that if you KNOW you have no talent, then you could at least go with an EXPERIENCED coach. We got NB. We have him for 5 years. We will see. Wait till next year..it's our new motto
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 18, 2015 15:41:59 GMT -6
Folks, just because a I-AA coach has failed, doesn't mean that ALL I-AA coaches fail. And applied to our situation it makes more sense to me that if you KNOW you have no talent, then you could at least go with an EXPERIENCED coach. We got NB. We have him for 5 years. We will see. Wait till next year..it's our new motto I hope you aren't this negative in all aspects of your life.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 18, 2015 15:49:00 GMT -6
We got NB. We have him for 5 years. We will see. Wait till next year..it's our new motto I hope you aren't this negative in all aspects of your life. Starting a fact. We have him for five years I believe on his contract. We will see what kind of HC he makes. This year has not been good.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Oct 18, 2015 16:25:49 GMT -6
I hope you aren't this negative in all aspects of your life. Starting a fact. We have him for five years I believe on his contract. We will see what kind of HC he makes. This year has not been good. Well guess what. As down on talent as we are it might take some time. It's called rebuild the wall... Not the wall is suddenly built after 1-6 games
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Post by cornhole on Oct 18, 2015 16:35:28 GMT -6
I hope you aren't this negative in all aspects of your life. Starting a fact. We have him for five years I believe on his contract. We will see what kind of HC he makes. This year has not been good. "Wait till next year..it's our new motto." Nowhere have I seen or heard that this is a fact.
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Post by Redwaver on Oct 19, 2015 6:56:07 GMT -6
Folks, just because a I-AA coach has failed, doesn't mean that ALL I-AA coaches fail. And applied to our situation it makes more sense to me that if you KNOW you have no talent, then you could at least go with an EXPERIENCED coach. We got NB. We have him for 5 years. We will see. Wait till next year..it's our new motto I just don't understand this "we were awful and thus coach has had one Spring to turn it around and hasn't so let's start bailing on supporting him" thinking! That's darn tough expectations. I wonder if any of us could live up to that requirement were it US. I can't think of another school that only gave a coach 6 games to fix a 5-6 year old problem. I only know of one guy that can preform miracles and he's not available to coach. I just think we should feel embarrassed if Neal succeeds down the road. If you were quick to bail on Larry, Rigby, Cunningham two years ago the new softball coach then we might want to ask ourselves if we work in that strict if an environment. I'm as frustrated as anyone at the last 4 years but I just think it's unrealistic to bail on supporting a coach as soon as things aren't like we want especially if that had become the norm. Like the men's BB program, there has now been time, so it's more realistic to expect more success this year and Neal deserves the same patience but that's just my thinking.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 19, 2015 7:09:36 GMT -6
I just don't understand this "we were awful and thus coach has had one Spring to turn it around and hasn't so let's start bailing on supporting him" thinking! Not even close to my original thought. I asked why with money available for a more experienced coach we didn't get one. Do we have money for facilities but not a proven coach? Why not? Never, not once, have I said anything about firing Neal Brown or not supporting the program. Do not misrepresent me. Thanks.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 19, 2015 7:28:20 GMT -6
I just don't understand this "we were awful and thus coach has had one Spring to turn it around and hasn't so let's start bailing on supporting him" thinking! Not even close to my original thought. I asked why with money available for a more experienced coach we didn't get one. Do we have money for facilities but not a proven coach? Why not? Never, not once, have I said anything about firing Neal Brown or not supporting the program. Do not misrepresent me. Thanks. I understand your point completely
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Post by jonesoxygen on Oct 19, 2015 7:55:30 GMT -6
If any of you started a company from scratch, would you expect a huge first year in business? I would not and I did not when I started this business. Whats my point? This coaching staff started from the ground floor, they put the "OPEN" sign up for the first time the day Neal was hired, this is gonna take time. We are bad, we are really bad, but there is no question that we are much improved from a fundamental standpoint. As I said before, defensively they had to teach kids how to tackle during fall camp, we are talking about D1 athletes who played last year but they did not know fundamentals. The improvement to defense and the improvements we have seen in the second half of every game are HUGE improvements over what we saw for the last several years. I think we hit rock bottom saturday which is good, it's now behind us. We are on the right path, you just have to hold on and enjoy (eventually) the ride.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 19, 2015 8:05:23 GMT -6
If any of you started a company from scratch, would you expect a huge first year in business? I would not and I did not when I started this business. Whats my point? This coaching staff started from the ground floor, they put the "OPEN" sign up for the first time the day Neal was hired, this is gonna take time. We are bad, we are really bad, but there is no question that we are much improved from a fundamental standpoint. As I said before, defensively they had to teach kids how to tackle during fall camp, we are talking about D1 athletes who played last year but they did not know fundamentals. The improvement to defense and the improvements we have seen in the second half of every game are HUGE improvements over what we saw for the last several years. I think we hit rock bottom saturday which is good, it's now behind us. We are on the right path, you just have to hold on and enjoy (eventually) the ride. I understand your point but we aren't just starting a football program. We have "3" national championships on our score board and a lot of winning tradition here. Sadly we have our field named after the same man who did a lot of great things but helped put us in this situation we are in now. His last four years with the field named for him with him coaching we went 17-31 and we are 18-36 in the last 5. This keep waiting attitude is slowly deteriorating the tradition we had and the students and fan base we have. We have now had a entire class of students go though Troy that have never even experienced a winning season. Someone posted here about the attitude in the student section as the excitement has now worn off and they are back to the same lousy Troy expectation. It is truly sad and embarrassing that we are in this position. Wait till next year....again.
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Post by Redwaver on Oct 19, 2015 8:31:40 GMT -6
I just don't understand this "we were awful and thus coach has had one Spring to turn it around and hasn't so let's start bailing on supporting him" thinking! Not even close to my original thought. I asked why with money available for a more experienced coach we didn't get one. Do we have money for facilities but not a proven coach? Why not? Never, not once, have I said anything about firing Neal Brown or not supporting the program. Do not misrepresent me. Thanks. And no where did I say you said fire Neal Brown, I'm just amazed at those here that think this train wreck could be fixed in 6 weeks. Everyone has a thought on how we got here and what has kept us from winning but some ignore all those issues and still insist Neal Brown should put a championship caliber team on the field with someone else's players, with still poor facilities, a bad stadium, a poor support base of fans, etc., etc.. Good grief, I hear he has guys in central Florida recruiting, YEA, that alone should make us 10-2 next year. He has swung a great looking QB from Pensacola from UCF to us. He has had more recruits on campus than in any year I can remember. Someone said we had a 5 star guy here but that's hearsay. All I'm saying is for Pete sake give the guy a chance. After he has had a REASONABLE opportunity to put HIS product on the field and he is still losing then I will better understand the incredible expectations a few here hold. I've lived through this trip Troy has made athletically for more years than most on here and I've seen good, bad and awful for all sorts of reasons. I played on a baseball championship team here when we won the conference 3/4 years but was refused our trip to the playoffs because it would cost $2,000.00 and refused our letter jackets that year due to athletic cuts so I've seen it bad. I just think this guy deserves a reasonable chance to fix this thing his way. If he fails then fair game!
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Post by buzzlightyear on Oct 19, 2015 8:31:43 GMT -6
As disappointed as we are.....I do not walk away from the games with the feeling that there is no hope at all......That putrid stink in the last couple of years of ball is gone....hope the kids who leading do not get down to far because it will be hard to compete in the following half a season.....and guess what there is half a season left.....yes with the two at home losses that could have been wins except for a butt load of turnovers we may actually be looking at a realistic opportunity to go bowling.....As of now we are going to have to have the old Silvers play back at QB with packages for Dontrell to get into some play making roles and not necessarily at QB......but this week could be the turn around that we all hoped for prior to that but starting a squad from near scratch is like a business that was either run in the ground or never existed. Guys we have lost turn over battles every game.....and some by 3-4 per game..............there is hope......to steal a little quote from the Bible and to paraphrase.....the Path of the winning is like the morning sun shining ever brighter till the full light of day.......It takes time to reveal itself......sometimes people get lucky over nite..........We have not been to this point but to say that we are stuck with Brown for 5 years or to even imply that I can guarantee that will not be the point......We will be lucky to have him for all 5 years.....listen to him he has got IT.......and he will win....and I intend to watch the whole dang gone morning to mid day of that ride......this is just the crack of dawn......and if you can not see that then B**** on folks....but you have NOT been watching the games I have been watching.....
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Post by cornhole on Oct 19, 2015 8:38:08 GMT -6
If any of you started a company from scratch, would you expect a huge first year in business? I would not and I did not when I started this business. Whats my point? This coaching staff started from the ground floor, they put the "OPEN" sign up for the first time the day Neal was hired, this is gonna take time. We are bad, we are really bad, but there is no question that we are much improved from a fundamental standpoint. As I said before, defensively they had to teach kids how to tackle during fall camp, we are talking about D1 athletes who played last year but they did not know fundamentals. The improvement to defense and the improvements we have seen in the second half of every game are HUGE improvements over what we saw for the last several years. I think we hit rock bottom saturday which is good, it's now behind us. We are on the right path, you just have to hold on and enjoy (eventually) the ride. I understand your point but we aren't just starting a football program. We have "3" national championships on our score board and a lot of winning tradition here. Sadly we have our field named after the same man who did a lot of great things but helped put us in this situation we are in now. His last four years with the field named for him with him coaching we went 17-31 and we are 18-36 in the last 5. This keep waiting attitude is slowly deteriorating the tradition we had and the students and fan base we have. We have now had a entire class of students go though Troy that have never even experienced a winning season. Someone posted here about the attitude in the student section as the excitement has now worn off and they are back to the same lousy Troy expectation. It is truly sad and embarrassing that we are in this position. Wait till next year....again. I suppose we could attract Hudspeth as HC, he could hire and qualify great athletes in 15 minutes and we could field a winner in a month or two. I'm tired of reading your know-it-all negative spew.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 19, 2015 8:42:33 GMT -6
I understand your point but we aren't just starting a football program. We have "3" national championships on our score board and a lot of winning tradition here. Sadly we have our field named after the same man who did a lot of great things but helped put us in this situation we are in now. His last four years with the field named for him with him coaching we went 17-31 and we are 18-36 in the last 5. This keep waiting attitude is slowly deteriorating the tradition we had and the students and fan base we have. We have now had a entire class of students go though Troy that have never even experienced a winning season. Someone posted here about the attitude in the student section as the excitement has now worn off and they are back to the same lousy Troy expectation. It is truly sad and embarrassing that we are in this position. Wait till next year....again. I suppose we could attract Hudspeth as HC, he could hire and qualify great athletes in 15 minutes and we could field a winner in a month or two. I'm tired of reading your know-it-all negative spew. Ok Mr know it all. Show where I said hire Hudspeth? Oh you can't. Don't like my opinion, don't read it. I have a right to opinion same as you. Enjoy your wait till next year kool aid. It's been served for five years now. Yes, I'm aggravated and disgusted, but I assure you there are a lot of guys who paid the price and wore that uniform that put a banner on that score board that aren't happy either. The longer you drag out, the harder it is to regain tradition.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 19, 2015 11:34:59 GMT -6
All the posts in these threads saying: we have hit rock bottom, we are starting from scratch, we have to literally start over.
Wow ! If y'all truly believe this, then shame, true shame on the previous regime for letting this happen. Letting this program drop to the true bottom is unconscionable. At to think we have coaches on the staff now that were apart of this. That does not make sense.
We have talent. CNB is a good coach. Probably making some freshman mistakes this year. Troy football wins and losses are the product of him learning to be a head coach on the job.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 20, 2015 20:04:37 GMT -6
Do admit, this looks nice
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 22, 2015 0:49:00 GMT -6
Do admit, this looks nice They left out the "performance enhancement" and "academic achievement" areas.
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