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Post by Troystet on Dec 27, 2014 13:47:17 GMT -6
Hemi, to many people blamed all,our woes on facilities. That was the point. It doesn't matter how nice your facilities are if you don't do the other things needed. I like the new staff put together, the new excitement, the new discipline (hopefully). A new team in 2015
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 27, 2014 14:51:15 GMT -6
Hemi, to many people blamed all,our woes on facilities. That was the point. It doesn't matter how nice your facilities are if you don't do the other things needed. I like the new staff put together, the new excitement, the new discipline (hopefully). A new team in 2015 I think anyone around the program can clearly see the lack of facilities has hurt. I've never seen anyone say it was the only problem. We have guys that graduated this past season that were sold on the facility they would be playing in very soon. They never saw it. That effects recruiting in a negative way. Search social media, and you will see numerous football players, at some point have questioned when the facilities they were promised are going to be built. There are many reasons why Troy football has failed. I've never seen anyone pinpoint facilities as the only reason.
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Post by football on Dec 27, 2014 16:38:50 GMT -6
Let's just hope that now since it appears the administration is loosening up the purse strings in order to bring in higher grade coaches that we will soon see new football facilities put in place as well. Since we started this more with less campaign, we sacrificed the coach who put us on the map. I still wonder what could of been if Coach Blakeney would of been able to bring in the caliber of assistants that Coach Brown is allowed to now.
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 27, 2014 16:44:07 GMT -6
Let's just hope that now since it appears the administration is loosening up the purse strings in order to bring in higher grade coaches that we will soon see new football facilities put in place as well. Since we started this more with less campaign, we sacrificed the coach who put us on the map. I still wonder what could of been if Coach Blakeney would of been able to bring in the caliber of assistants that Coach Brown is allowed to now. Totally agree.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 27, 2014 16:53:49 GMT -6
Hemi, to many people blamed all,our woes on facilities. That was the point. It doesn't matter how nice your facilities are if you don't do the other things needed. I like the new staff put together, the new excitement, the new discipline (hopefully). A new team in 2015 I think anyone around the program can clearly see the lack of facilities has hurt. I've never seen anyone say it was the only problem. We have guys that graduated this past season that were sold on the facility they would be playing in very soon. They never saw it. That effects recruiting in a negative way. Search social media, and you will see numerous football players, at some point have questioned when the facilities they were promised are going to be built. There are many reasons why Troy football has failed. I've never seen anyone pinpoint facilities as the only reason. I can agree with this. But this gets worse by all the unknowns. We have seen drawings of the project since after the 2010 season but we are still guessing when we start. This hurts in recruiting and fan support. I wish we had a definite date so there was a goal but I understand why we don't. Frustrating for everyone
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Post by pcbtrojan on Dec 27, 2014 17:12:27 GMT -6
I believe the new HC will not have any issues with a clear vision of the goals that the program needs to obtain.
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Post by Redwaver on Dec 27, 2014 18:25:51 GMT -6
I think anyone around the program can clearly see the lack of facilities has hurt. I've never seen anyone say it was the only problem. We have guys that graduated this past season that were sold on the facility they would be playing in very soon. They never saw it. That effects recruiting in a negative way. Search social media, and you will see numerous football players, at some point have questioned when the facilities they were promised are going to be built. There are many reasons why Troy football has failed. I've never seen anyone pinpoint facilities as the only reason. I can agree with this. But this gets worse by all the unknowns. We have seen drawings of the project since after the 2010 season but we are still guessing when we start. This hurts in recruiting and fan support. I wish we had a definite date so there was a goal but I understand why we don't. Frustrating for everyone This is the reason I was completely disappointed at the announcement of an "after 2015 season" was issued. They need to break ground on that sucker during THIS NEXT SEASON. Folks have been told way too often, "we'll begin it next year!" Let's see proof!
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Post by football on Dec 27, 2014 19:59:49 GMT -6
I believe the new HC will not have any issues with a clear vision of the goals that the program needs to obtain. I think Coach Brown was a good selection as head coach. I think he was better off not getting the UMass head coaching job last year and it allowed him to get a little more seasoning. Coach Brown brings in the continuity from Coach Blakeney's staff. Seven of the nine coaches will have had previous at Troy.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Dec 28, 2014 0:58:24 GMT -6
I believe the new HC will not have any issues with a clear vision of the goals that the program needs to obtain. Seven of the nine coaches will have had previous at Troy. Best keep utterances like that to ye'self. Some folk don't take kindly to them words round these parts.
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Post by Trojan Warrior on Dec 28, 2014 6:44:08 GMT -6
Hemi, to many people blamed all,our woes on facilities. That was the point. It doesn't matter how nice your facilities are if you don't do the other things needed. I like the new staff put together, the new excitement, the new discipline (hopefully). A new team in 2015 I think anyone around the program can clearly see the lack of facilities has hurt. I've never seen anyone say it was the only problem. We have guys that graduated this past season that were sold on the facility they would be playing in very soon. They never saw it. That effects recruiting in a negative way. Search social media, and you will see numerous football players, at some point have questioned when the facilities they were promised are going to be built. There are many reasons why Troy football has failed. I've never seen anyone pinpoint facilities as the only reason. It's not the only reason, but it is an important factor. A recent survey conducted by Galain of 179 college football players sought to identify the factors most important to college football recruits in making their college decision. Of the fifteen choices participants had to select from, the participants ranked a school’s academic reputation as the most important factor to their decision. The least important factor was their friends’ opinions about a school or program. Most interesting about the study’s findings, however, is the important role that a campus’ facilities play to a recruit’s decision. A recruit’s opinion of a team’s playing facilities ranked as the fourth most important factor, while campus living facilities and team facilities ranked sixth and eighth, respectively.
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Post by preacher on Dec 28, 2014 9:44:15 GMT -6
Give money already and stop debating facilities. New Team in 2015. Let's be a new fan base in 2015. Let's be positive at least through February. Everyone up the support a little.
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Post by chasin170 on Dec 28, 2014 10:35:28 GMT -6
PASS THE PLATE PREACHER!!!! AMEN....
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Post by jerichojohnny on Jan 3, 2015 14:34:39 GMT -6
Man oh man - only winning will cure this dysfunction. Constant sniping back and forth and oneupsmanship and the old "I'm more a fan than you" arguments have abounded this last year. I think anyone around the program can clearly see the lack of facilities has hurt. I've never seen anyone say it was the only problem. We have guys that graduated this past season that were sold on the facility they would be playing in very soon. They never saw it. That effects recruiting in a negative way. Search social media, and you will see numerous football players, at some point have questioned when the facilities they were promised are going to be built. There are many reasons why Troy football has failed. I've never seen anyone pinpoint facilities as the only reason. It's not the only reason, but it is an important factor. A recent survey conducted by Galain of 179 college football players sought to identify the factors most important to college football recruits in making their college decision. Of the fifteen choices participants had to select from, the participants ranked a school’s academic reputation as the most important factor to their decision. The least important factor was their friends’ opinions about a school or program. Most interesting about the study’s findings, however, is the important role that a campus’ facilities play to a recruit’s decision. A recruit’s opinion of a team’s playing facilities ranked as the fourth most important factor, while campus living facilities and team facilities ranked sixth and eighth, respectively. This is interesting. Obviously facilities matter a lot. Some teams are able to coast on their past glories (looking at you Florida) even with substandard facilities, but we can't do that. I don't think, even with our own T. Boone Pickens we'd turn it around tomorrow through facilities alone. It's always going to be a struggle getting young people to come down to Troy, to a town that, to most folks, would be considered the middle of nowhere. Heck, Tallahassee Community College has more students than the City of Troy has residents. Wikipedia may say TROY has 30,000-something students, but you do not get that feeling walking around the Main Campus. It feels much more Wake Forest than UCF. I'm wondering though about what respondents said was their top factor. Were they just telling the interviewer what they wanted to hear? Academic reputation? Really? If so, why is the Big Ten not still dominant? Shouldn't Duke and UNC and Virginia be better than they are? I'm not saying the result is flat-out wrong, but it's pretty obvious that that is not the most important factor for a lot of these kids who want to win championships and dominate on the field. That you can do at Bama, FSU, Florida, whether or not these are world-class academic schools (they still are, don't get me wrong). Then again, you have schools like Notre Dame, Michigan, and Texas which are academic elites that also have traditions of football dominance. I guess it's a complicated equation.
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Post by trojans91 on Jan 4, 2015 11:33:35 GMT -6
Give money already and stop debating facilities. New Team in 2015. Let's be a new fan base in 2015. Let's be positive at least through February. Everyone up the support a little. Yes to New Fan Base in 2015, Full support of new team and staff......and by all means up the support......
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Post by Troystet on Jan 4, 2015 16:13:32 GMT -6
Man oh man - only winning will cure this dysfunction. Constant sniping back and forth and oneupsmanship and the old "I'm more a fan than you" arguments have abounded this last year. It's not the only reason, but it is an important factor. A recent survey conducted by Galain of 179 college football players sought to identify the factors most important to college football recruits in making their college decision. Of the fifteen choices participants had to select from, the participants ranked a school’s academic reputation as the most important factor to their decision. The least important factor was their friends’ opinions about a school or program. Most interesting about the study’s findings, however, is the important role that a campus’ facilities play to a recruit’s decision. A recruit’s opinion of a team’s playing facilities ranked as the fourth most important factor, while campus living facilities and team facilities ranked sixth and eighth, respectively. This is interesting. Obviously facilities matter a lot. Some teams are able to coast on their past glories (looking at you Florida) even with substandard facilities, but we can't do that. I don't think, even with our own T. Boone Pickens we'd turn it around tomorrow through facilities alone. It's always going to be a struggle getting young people to come down to Troy, to a town that, to most folks, would be considered the middle of nowhere. Heck, Tallahassee Community College has more students than the City of Troy has residents. Wikipedia may say TROY has 30,000-something students, but you do not get that feeling walking around the Main Campus. It feels much more Wake Forest than UCF. I'm wondering though about what respondents said was their top factor. Were they just telling the interviewer what they wanted to hear? Academic reputation? Really? If so, why is the Big Ten not still dominant? Shouldn't Duke and UNC and Virginia be better than they are? I'm not saying the result is flat-out wrong, but it's pretty obvious that that is not the most important factor for a lot of these kids who want to win championships and dominate on the field. That you can do at Bama, FSU, Florida, whether or not these are world-class academic schools (they still are, don't get me wrong). Then again, you have schools like Notre Dame, Michigan, and Texas which are academic elites that also have traditions of football dominance. I guess it's a complicated equation. If you want great players to come to Troy you better look at what used to get players to Troy. #1 winning and championship traditions 2) family atmosphere and the campus. 3) recruiting harder and better than everyone else because Troy had to. We need the new locker room and field house but that alone won't get recruits. Sometimes you have to take a look at what did work and incorperate it with modern recruiting. One of the most important factors in a recruits decision is what mom and dad think. Coach Rhodes and Coach McInerney sold my parents as well as me when I got recruited. Thst and the bond I felt with the players and the campus sold me. I had offers to UCF, Georgia Southern, Valdosta St. But Troy is the one that sold me and my parents on the whole package and the other schools had better facilities, especially UCF and Georgia Southern
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 4, 2015 16:37:47 GMT -6
Modern recruiting is facilities.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 4, 2015 17:27:57 GMT -6
Modern recruiting is facilities. Part of it but not all. New Mexico and Akron both have great facilities and don't win.
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Jan 4, 2015 17:33:51 GMT -6
I believe that the D-1 athlete we need to succeed DOES look at facilities (and not just athletic). Regarding that, the on campus facilities are above par (IMO). That leaves athletic facilities. Don't believe that "schmoozing mommies and daddies" will get it done. Facilities may not be the only thing but definitely in the top 2.
If we DO NOT GET our facilities updated this program will continue to fall behind, don't care Knute himself came back to coach. See Grambling St for an example of what happens when an icon retires and they STOP pushing for upgrades with DOUG WILIAMS as the successor.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 4, 2015 19:18:29 GMT -6
Modern recruiting is facilities. Part of it but not all. New Mexico and Akron both have great facilities and don't win. I haven't been to either, but I'm not basing my opinion from 20 or 30 years ago either. I can't imagine either having worse than Troy. You keep telling yourself that Troy can get by with the worst facilities in FB$ if you'd like, I choose to be honest with myself on this issue. #TrojanUprisingAintFree
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Post by doug4troy on Jan 4, 2015 19:24:24 GMT -6
Not sure that the same concerns division 2 recruits had back in the day can be compared to what FBS level talent look at today. Different level of athlete... different backgrounds.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 4, 2015 20:16:55 GMT -6
Part of it but not all. New Mexico and Akron both have great facilities and don't win. I haven't been to either, but I'm not basing my opinion from 20 or 30 years ago either. I can't imagine either having worse than Troy. You keep telling yourself that Troy can get by with the worst facilities in FB$ if you'd like, I choose to be honest with myself on this issue. #TrojanUprisingAintFree Have been to both in the last 5 years. Akron has a brand new stadium, indoor facility, 28,000 students, big city. New Mexico has unreal facilities. Brian Urhlacher donated to them. Have family in both Akron and Albuquerque and a kid I coached in HS is starting at LT at UNM. Never said that we don't need facilities. I just stated it is only a piece of the puzzle. If all we need is the field house then build it and hire Marge the Realator to give the guided tour and sign them when she is done. I know what Davis field house is. Played in it. We absolutely need a new one but it in itself is not going to solve all our recruiting problems. The town is the same and 7,200 students is the same. That is why you have to work the angles and if that means smoozing mom, dad, grandma, auntie or whatever, then do it.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 4, 2015 20:23:02 GMT -6
Not sure that the same concerns division 2 recruits had back in the day can be compared to what FBS level talent look at today. Different level of athlete... different backgrounds. I will agree the players are different. Facilities are better no doubt but a D2 kid has options to. The player we get at Troy we are generally competing against USA, MTSU, WKU, ULL, USM, maybe even a FAU or Marshall. If we get the field house we are on par with them. What we will never have is the bigger city, bigger school etc. Some players want a smaller school, some don't. Me personally I didn't want a bigger school, Every player is different.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 4, 2015 20:41:41 GMT -6
I haven't been to either, but I'm not basing my opinion from 20 or 30 years ago either. I can't imagine either having worse than Troy. You keep telling yourself that Troy can get by with the worst facilities in FB$ if you'd like, I choose to be honest with myself on this issue. #TrojanUprisingAintFree Have been to both in the last 5 years. Akron has a brand new stadium, indoor facility, 28,000 students, big city. New Mexico has unreal facilities. Brian Urhlacher donated to them. Have family in both Akron and Albuquerque and a kid I coached in HS is starting at LT at UNM. Never said that we don't need facilities. I just stated it is only a piece of the puzzle. If all we need is the field house then build it and hire Marge the Realator to give the guided tour and sign them when she is done. I know what Davis field house is. Played in it. We absolutely need a new one but it in itself is not going to solve all our recruiting problems. The town is the same and 7,200 students is the same. That is why you have to work the angles and if that means smoozing mom, dad, grandma, auntie or whatever, then do it. I'm pretty sure Marge would be an NCAA violation...we don't need that. Sorry that I don't believe that "smoozing" parents is the end-all-be-all, in Troy's situation. To get better recruits in baseball, soccer, tennis, basketball and softball, facilities were updated. I would hope that it was based on what Troy needs, not Akron or NMSU.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 5, 2015 6:57:57 GMT -6
Have been to both in the last 5 years. Akron has a brand new stadium, indoor facility, 28,000 students, big city. New Mexico has unreal facilities. Brian Urhlacher donated to them. Have family in both Akron and Albuquerque and a kid I coached in HS is starting at LT at UNM. Never said that we don't need facilities. I just stated it is only a piece of the puzzle. If all we need is the field house then build it and hire Marge the Realator to give the guided tour and sign them when she is done. I know what Davis field house is. Played in it. We absolutely need a new one but it in itself is not going to solve all our recruiting problems. The town is the same and 7,200 students is the same. That is why you have to work the angles and if that means smoozing mom, dad, grandma, auntie or whatever, then do it. I'm pretty sure Marge would be an NCAA violation...we don't need that. Sorry that I don't believe that "smoozing" parents is the end-all-be-all, in Troy's situation. To get better recruits in baseball, soccer, tennis, basketball and softball, facilities were updated. I would hope that it was based on what Troy needs, not Akron or NMSU. You need to work everything in recruiting. That field house by itself will not get us better players. As a parent, don't under estimate the influence a parent has. Yes, the player ultimately has the choice. But if momma wants her baby closer to home to see him play. Don't underestimate that either. Point on Akron and UNM. Facilities alone won't make you win. Akron, bar none has the best in the MAC and UNM and Boise have the best out there. Boise wins, UNM doesn't
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 5, 2015 7:36:39 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure Marge would be an NCAA violation...we don't need that. Sorry that I don't believe that "smoozing" parents is the end-all-be-all, in Troy's situation. To get better recruits in baseball, soccer, tennis, basketball and softball, facilities were updated. I would hope that it was based on what Troy needs, not Akron or NMSU. You need to work everything in recruiting. That field house by itself will not get us better players. As a parent, don't under estimate the influence a parent has. Yes, the player ultimately has the choice. But if momma wants her baby closer to home to see him play. Don't underestimate that either. Point on Akron and UNM. Facilities alone won't make you win. Akron, bar none has the best in the MAC and UNM and Boise have the best out there. Boise wins, UNM doesn't Hopefully you're not one that'd rather see our school continue to have the deck stacked against it, in football. The sport the drives the bus. It is apparent that our views are different, so I'll just stop there.
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