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Post by Troystet on Oct 20, 2014 6:58:39 GMT -6
homershakeHow's that trust their call working out??
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Post by chasin170 on Oct 20, 2014 7:08:41 GMT -6
homershakeHow's that trust their call working out?? Like it always has and will......coaches and staff will pay the far greater price than anyone else involved.If you as a player,fan,parent supported them then good on you.If you were a contributing factor to their demise then the next life lesson may fly over your head as well.
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 20, 2014 7:13:45 GMT -6
That's just it......players,parents,fans don't decide who/when someone gets their shot.You respect your coach and trust he calls you when it's best for the TEAM.It's easy to be a team player when peoples selfish desire is being stroked... You've quit this message board more than once....... Our football culture has to be more resilient than that. The entire program has quit. Our culture has been turned into one of "me, me, me". And what can I do for my buddies. Small town thinking has lead to small town results. See the last 4 years. All haven't quit. You mean like constantly pimping your buddy to be the next head coach?
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 20, 2014 7:14:11 GMT -6
homershakeHow's that trust their call working out?? Like it always has and will......coaches and staff will pay the far greater price than anyone else involved.If you as a player,fan,parent supported them then good on you.If you were a contributing factor to their demise then the next life lesson may fly over your head as well. And as they should
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Post by anljs on Oct 20, 2014 8:08:21 GMT -6
Of all the various sins committed by athletes on and off the field, the worst — or at least the one that brings the quickest, most fiery denunciations is quitting. Quitting hurts one’s reputation in uniquely wounding ways, calling into question toughness, loyalty and athletic honor. How do we as fans forgive these sins? I for one am hoping this coaching change will amend attitudes and efforts of both the players and fans.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Oct 20, 2014 9:54:53 GMT -6
Of all the various sins committed by athletes on and off the field, the worst — or at least the one that brings the quickest, most fiery denunciations is quitting. Quitting hurts one’s reputation in uniquely wounding ways, calling into question toughness, loyalty and athletic honor. How do we as fans forgive these sins? I for one am hoping this coaching change will amend attitudes and efforts of both the players and fans. I hope I did the quote right for everyone this time..................I missed the game Saturday due to attending my spouse school game. My dad was there but left in the 3rd quarter. It was the first time I have ever known him to leave a Troy game and been through the good and bad. I did catch the after game interviews. Here is the difficult spot I see for some of the players. One of the players said in the interview and will not put names as requested by our message board leader, that basically, what the coach called for the defense did not work. Tough place here, for a player to be put in when they obviously see things that should be different. Quitting never should happen by anyone, player, fan, parent, etc. and if they do they should be bench, what I question is leadership by seniors, by anyone/any group on the team, have that even sat down and talked with coaches and voiced any of this? There is always a way to disagree with your leader and be respectful about it. I have employees often come to me with an issue or process I have put into place, and they question but always respectful and I listen. If our coaches egos are so big (and my God they should be the most humble they have ever been) that they will not listen if this have been done, then hope they are all gone. But has it even been tried. Something from minute one of UAB game not been right and if you see my first post on the season I said it then, its bad coaching, lack of leadership on players, lots of me, me , me on staff and field, or something much deeper than this. But if you QUIT ever you QUIT in my book for good. And if you get the personal fouls and attitude dad claimed he saw on the field, your benched for a whole game, after all no one is winning so what will it hurt. Leaders are put into place to lead and held to a very high calling much hirer than the ones that are to follow them. Coaches have failed, players, parents, fans, student body and players are now or maybe have been all season, failing themselves if this does not STOP. Ok, I am sure I will get some hate comments, so be it. This is my University, my parents paid to attend, then paid 2 kids way to attend, its a passion born with and I am disgusted at what I have seen at the games I attended, and what I have read on here from the game I missed Saturday.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 20, 2014 11:29:06 GMT -6
You are not alone in your disgust I assure you. I had a grandfather and his young grandson behind me. I literally had my whole row 17 in the end zone to myself and all 16 rows in front of me were empty. They left in the 3rd quarter and he told his grandson that the players attitudes sickened him. Good news is we can hope the new coach doesn't coddle the players and let them do whatever they want. Things I noticed was one player went to shake hands with a app st player after a play and piulled his hand away like "psyche", blocks in the backs (no discipline) we do this three times a game at least, personal foul, good for two or three a game, players arguing with coaches on the side lines and then turning their backs to them as if "I'm a coddled baby, I don't have to listen to this", our qb threw his helmet and from what I heard quit the game and it goes on and on. First question that needs to be asked in the interview " explain team discipline to me". We need a coach who stands up to players and is in charge, not the players in charge"
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Post by preacher on Oct 20, 2014 12:00:23 GMT -6
I don't now for a fact but what I observed Saturday is we have a group of players who are fed up putting the work in then not being giving the opportunity to succeed on the field. I took the QB throwing the ball as frustration in his coaches. He had received a brutal beating all game - most of it from the pitiful play calling. On that play the team was never given a chance to succeed yet again. He as a 19-20 young man battling just couldn't help himself the boiling point had come. I give him credit for not stomping, cussing, and arguing with coaches. He just exploded in anger in his initial reaction by throwing the ball. I don't think we could do worse if we benched the coaches and let the leaders on the team call the plays. At least they would adjust to what they are seeing. We couldn't do much worse if we drew it up in the sand.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Oct 20, 2014 12:09:00 GMT -6
I don't now for a fact but what I observed Saturday is we have a group of players who are fed up putting the work in then not being giving the opportunity to succeed on the field. I took the QB throwing the ball as frustration in his coaches. He had received a brutal beating all game - most of it from the pitiful play calling. On that play the team was never given a chance to succeed yet again. He as a 19-20 young man battling just couldn't help himself the boiling point had come. I give him credit for not stomping, cussing, and arguing with coaches. He just exploded in anger in his initial reaction by throwing the ball. I don't think we could do worse if we benched the coaches and let the leaders on the team call the plays. At least they would adjust to what they are seeing. We couldn't do much worse if we drew it up in the sand. I will say 2 things on this, as I agree for the most part on the play calling. 1. My dad always told me, true self at any age will come out when you are squeezed, you must always remain polished as a true leader as to survive through the darkest times cause you lose respect from peers quicker than all the work you put in to earn it. 2. Our play calling is bad, but IMO our QB confidence is only in his running ability, if you shut it down, he shuts down. Was not there, but Dad said they shut him down. Always remember with the spread, the option for a QB run is there, he just takes it way too much.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Oct 20, 2014 12:14:08 GMT -6
You are not alone in your disgust I assure you. I had a grandfather and his young grandson behind me. I literally had my whole row 17 in the end zone to myself and all 16 rows in front of me were empty. They left in the 3rd quarter and he told his grandson that the players attitudes sickened him. Good news is we can hope the new coach doesn't coddle the players and let them do whatever they want. Things I noticed was one player went to shake hands with a app st player after a play and piulled his hand away like "psyche", blocks in the backs (no discipline) we do this three times a game at least, personal foul, good for two or three a game, players arguing with coaches on the side lines and then turning their backs to them as if "I'm a coddled baby, I don't have to listen to this", our qb threw his helmet and from what I heard quit the game and it goes on and on. First question that needs to be asked in the interview " explain team discipline to me". We need a coach who stands up to players and is in charge, not the players in charge" That explains what my dad tried to explain. He is older so not up on some of these things. (the shake hands with player and did "psyche"). I hope that player was benched, although I know my answer. No class. No coach or player needs to be coddled, they are paid to coach and play. (definition of paid to play: they are given a free education). I understand coaching is bad, but playing has been pitiful too this year, so all blame cannot be on the coaching. Something not right and more to this all, it makes absolutely no sense, especially as I have said over and over this season, all the hype many of you saw a practices and claimed. You are the ones who should be questioning what you saw there vs. what is playing on the field now.
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Post by preacher on Oct 20, 2014 12:24:14 GMT -6
Something not right and more to this all, it makes absolutely no sense, especially as I have said over and over this season, all the hype many of you saw a practices and claimed. You are the ones who should be questioning what you saw there vs. what is playing on the field now. Trust me I am. I have never seen a team go down so fast. I didn't say much but we were not as sharp at the end of camp as we were the first couple of weeks. There are major internal problems. I am not sure I want to get any closer to find out. Things are bad enough from my view. It will get fixed after the season. We think it is bad now. Wait until South keeps kicking us while we are down. There is nothing I am looking forward to that day. Not even the food.
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Post by Mr E 205 Legion on Oct 20, 2014 12:26:53 GMT -6
You are not alone in your disgust I assure you. I had a grandfather and his young grandson behind me. I literally had my whole row 17 in the end zone to myself and all 16 rows in front of me were empty. They left in the 3rd quarter and he told his grandson that the players attitudes sickened him. Good news is we can hope the new coach doesn't coddle the players and let them do whatever they want. Things I noticed was one player went to shake hands with a app st player after a play and piulled his hand away like "psyche", blocks in the backs (no discipline) we do this three times a game at least, personal foul, good for two or three a game, players arguing with coaches on the side lines and then turning their backs to them as if "I'm a coddled baby, I don't have to listen to this", our qb threw his helmet and from what I heard quit the game and it goes on and on. First question that needs to be asked in the interview " explain team discipline to me". We need a coach who stands up to players and is in charge, not the players in charge" I saw the same thing! THAT player usually plays until the whistle blows, BUT that ONE action erased all the positive I saw him produce on the field Saturday!! Ironically he did that in the first quarter just prior to ASU scoring 24 unanswered points in a span of fifteen minutes. One simple action either positive or negative COULD energize a TEAM.
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Post by preacher on Oct 20, 2014 12:30:46 GMT -6
You are not alone in your disgust I assure you. I had a grandfather and his young grandson behind me. I literally had my whole row 17 in the end zone to myself and all 16 rows in front of me were empty. They left in the 3rd quarter and he told his grandson that the players attitudes sickened him. Good news is we can hope the new coach doesn't coddle the players and let them do whatever they want. Things I noticed was one player went to shake hands with a app st player after a play and piulled his hand away like "psyche", blocks in the backs (no discipline) we do this three times a game at least, personal foul, good for two or three a game, players arguing with coaches on the side lines and then turning their backs to them as if "I'm a coddled baby, I don't have to listen to this", our qb threw his helmet and from what I heard quit the game and it goes on and on. First question that needs to be asked in the interview " explain team discipline to me". We need a coach who stands up to players and is in charge, not the players in charge" I saw the same thing! THAT player usually plays until the whistle blows, BUT that ONE action erased all the positive I saw him produce on the field Saturday!! Ironically he did that in the first quarter just prior to ASU scoring 24 unanswered points in a span of fifteen minutes. One simple action either positive or negative COULD energize a TEAM. Are you sure these two didn't already know each other and this was joke they went away smiling about. This seems like something we possibly may be reading our emotions into their actions.
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Post by Mr E 205 Legion on Oct 20, 2014 12:49:02 GMT -6
Preacher you and I ARE cut from the same cloth (we need to meet each other one day to put faces with names), but unfortunately as much as I would hope that was the case it did not APPEAR to be. The ASU player seemed puzzled by the action as he turned towards his bench and shook his head side to side. What TroyStet did not mention is that the Troy player extended his hand and waited for a second or two before the ASU player extended his hand (which gave the impression the ASU player did not understand the reason for an extended hand). The Troy player went to the sideline and was met by a teammate who seemed to approve of the action.
I did check the ASU roster and they do not have a player from the same city or any nearby town as the Troy player. MAYBE they had met some other way previously.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 20, 2014 14:42:34 GMT -6
If you really knew how bad it really is you would be disgusted. It is so bad that if my son was being recruited to Troy under the present scenario, I would forbid him from going there. And I love my school very much, my office and car are adorned in Troy stuff and a Troy flag flies on our porch. But with what I know I would not want anyone I know playing at Troy right now. Hope the new coach had discipline because we literally have the players running the show right now.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Oct 20, 2014 15:05:35 GMT -6
If you really knew how bad it really is you would be disgusted. It is so bad that if my son was being recruited to Troy under the present scenario, I would forbid him from going there. And I love my school very much, my office and car are adorned in Troy stuff and a Troy flag flies on our porch. But with what I know I would not want anyone I know playing at Troy right now. Hope the new coach had discipline because we literally have the players running the show right now. You know people are going to say "hear say". That is why I have stayed clear after a post early on with what I had heard, but do you feel from what you have heard, it has been this way before season started or has it just started and gotten worse as season has progressed. Just curious, if what you have heard may be one of the causes of our season issues amongst many other reasons, or not.
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Post by chasin170 on Oct 20, 2014 15:13:18 GMT -6
The satisfaction of sticking out this season and being part of a program turnaround is great.......we get it.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 20, 2014 15:13:22 GMT -6
If you really knew how bad it really is you would be disgusted. It is so bad that if my son was being recruited to Troy under the present scenario, I would forbid him from going there. And I love my school very much, my office and car are adorned in Troy stuff and a Troy flag flies on our porch. But with what I know I would not want anyone I know playing at Troy right now. Hope the new coach had discipline because we literally have the players running the show right now. You know people are going to say "hear say". That is why I have stayed clear after a post early on with what I had heard, but do you feel from what you have heard, it has been this way before season started or has it just started and gotten worse as season has progressed. Just curious, if what you have heard may be one of the causes of our season issues amongst many other reasons, or not. It's bad. Talked to a parent, (sorry he is an uncle )today. Needed extra tickets for a future game. They gave them up to us. They mentioned "wild Wild West" atmosphere.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 20, 2014 15:14:31 GMT -6
The satisfaction of sticking out this season and being part of a program turnaround is great.......we get it. More like enduring torture of sticking out this season.
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Oct 20, 2014 15:35:20 GMT -6
You know people are going to say "hear say". That is why I have stayed clear after a post early on with what I had heard, but do you feel from what you have heard, it has been this way before season started or has it just started and gotten worse as season has progressed. Just curious, if what you have heard may be one of the causes of our season issues amongst many other reasons, or not. I can vouch that it went on last year also. It is so bad that if the changes weren't coming their son woukd be gone and the dad is absolutely fed up. ok, was just curious. Everyone's definition of "wild" is so different so hard to judge this IMO. My dad did text earlier and say a player today was removed from the roster and another player had a 3 game suspension, so looks as though some things are not tolerated that is for sure. So it must depend on who you are or what the level of what your doing is. I will say this on the whole bar thing, just to voice my opinion, if you are legal and it is not a game week (leading up to a game), I have no problem with you going to a college hang out with friends even after the game. I think you have to be a strong and discipline player to do this and make sure your actions stay appropriate while doing this and always remember you represent Troy Football. So kind of confused what gets you kicked off, what gets you suspended (besides the big thing we all know) and what is obviously tolerated.
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Post by cornhole on Oct 20, 2014 17:54:17 GMT -6
You know people are going to say "hear say". That is why I have stayed clear after a post early on with what I had heard, but do you feel from what you have heard, it has been this way before season started or has it just started and gotten worse as season has progressed. Just curious, if what you have heard may be one of the causes of our season issues amongst many other reasons, or not. It's bad. Talked to a parent, (sorry he is an uncle )today. Needed extra tickets for a future game. They gave them up to us. They mentioned "wild Wild West" atmosphere. Lax management, no more, no less. One thing leads to another, that's why we're here. When, where did it start?? Maybe #5, 5 years ago. Maybe # 94, 4 years ago. I dunno. The Buck stops at the top. Time for change for sure.
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Post by yarddog on Oct 21, 2014 13:08:25 GMT -6
I was just looking at the Massey rankings.
Out of 128 teams, Troy is ranked number 128. I guess that is the definition of hitting the bottom.
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Post by trojanbear on Oct 21, 2014 14:05:36 GMT -6
I was just looking at the Massey rankings. Out of 128 teams, Troy is ranked number 128. I guess that is the definition of hitting the bottom. On a positive note we can only get better from here
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Post by preachertoo on Oct 21, 2014 14:24:30 GMT -6
I was just looking at the Massey rankings. Out of 128 teams, Troy is ranked number 128. I guess that is the definition of hitting the bottom. On a positive note we can only get better from here That is the best thing about rock bottom. The direction of the program is clearly defined and the future is brighter after this season is over.
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