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Post by trojanmatt on Oct 15, 2024 21:37:40 GMT -6
JMU 5-1 ULM 5-1 usa 3-3 wins the belt handily Ga St 2-3 but best Vandy who beat Alabama TROY 1-6
We are being outcoached and not just at head coach ! The offensive play calling was and has been aweful! I believe we have talent but they need direction and I didn’t expect HCGP to have to learn on the job for $900,000
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Post by fltrojan on Oct 15, 2024 23:03:02 GMT -6
JMU 5-1 ULM 5-1 usa 3-3 wins the belt handily Ga St 2-3 but best Vandy who beat Alabama TROY 1-6 We are being outcoached and not just at head coach ! The offensive play calling was and has been aweful! I believe we have talent but they need direction and I didn’t expect HCGP to have to learn on the job for $900,000 Offensive play calling is on SR. Average QB coach who is a awful OC. JMU has a completely different philosophy on hiring a HC than we do. They have went twice in a row to a proven consistent winner from a lower rank. We are in for a awful rest of the year and I don't see it improving next year. He's now 0-12 against FBS and 1-12 overall as a HC. He's not a HC ..period
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 16, 2024 5:42:12 GMT -6
JMU 5-1 ULM 5-1 usa 3-3 wins the belt handily Ga St 2-3 but best Vandy who beat Alabama TROY 1-6 We are being outcoached and not just at head coach ! The offensive play calling was and has been aweful! I believe we have talent but they need direction and I didn’t expect HCGP to have to learn on the job for $900,000 As it stands, Troy made a bad hire. This program and HC currently has no passion, no spark, no excitement. Anyway, bad hires happens, we can attest to that first hand. Concern is that this HC and staff are so in over their heads is how much damage, how many years could this set a program like Troy back ? The Bald Menace did recruit well. Left a full cupboard for Sumrall to win back to back championships. This could be a savings grace, can the Wet Noodle recruit ?
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Post by trojanocean on Oct 16, 2024 6:12:39 GMT -6
JMU 5-1 ULM 5-1 usa 3-3 wins the belt handily Ga St 2-3 but best Vandy who beat Alabama TROY 1-6 We are being outcoached and not just at head coach ! The offensive play calling was and has been aweful! I believe we have talent but they need direction and I didnât expect HCGP to have to learn on the job for $900,000 We're one of the youngest, least-experienced, walking-wounded teams in college football. Granted. And I know that the step from high school systems and how-to to a collegiate system and how-to IS significant. With that said.... Is it just me or does the "lack of experience" reason seem too easy and flimsy as if we went into the high schools for footballers but could only get people from the home economics club? These players are doing this at a collegiate level because they've typically loved the sport, followed it, invested at some level in their talent, skill, and knowledge about the game, and are not discovering a football for the first time when they walk into a college stadium. Yes, I know there are some exceptions to that like the rugby player who becomes the placekicker or even the walk-on who joins the team on a whim and stands out significantly but.........we keep giving this "young/inexperienced" reason as if the entire roster was recruited at the last minute from the coach not having any players and walking over to the band practice and giving an inspiring speech to beg enough people to come over so he can at least field a team this season. If I'm wrong, well...okay. But it seems that an EXTRAORDINARY amount of wasted time, energy, and resources goes into the area of recruitment if it still achieves near the same result as if the band members suited up. It's a horrendous return on investment, any way you slice it. OR, it's the coaching. No doubt a full combo of both issues but you have got to analyse things in some terms of "what's our greatest weakness". We're not the only team with youth and inexperience at the collegiate level, are we? If not, then somebody somewhere is able to get young and inexperienced teams to perform at a high level. It doesn't seem to be happening at Troy right now. There seems to be talent and ability on the defensive side, minus the secondary. There is some talent in the run game and in the receivers group but not in the o line. There are strengths and there are weaknesses. The coaching and decision-making surrounding each of those is not putting Troy in the best possible position to win some winnable games. I thought this hire sucked. I was so uninspired and disappointed. Then I decided to get on board. We're 7 games in and I'm solidly BACK off board. This clown needs to go. Not only him but I'm all for a leadership change that took us in this direction. They got fortunate with Sumrall but every decision-maker that was involved in hiring (The HC we don’t speak of) and this guy need to NOT be at the table the next time around. They have embarrassed the university athletics dept. and let their student body, the players, and alumni down. This is NOT Troy football. I'm embarrassed to be associated with this - and I don't believe it to simply be youth and inexperience.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Oct 16, 2024 7:27:43 GMT -6
JMU 5-1 ULM 5-1 usa 3-3 wins the belt handily Ga St 2-3 but best Vandy who beat Alabama TROY 1-6 We are being outcoached and not just at head coach ! The offensive play calling was and has been aweful! I believe we have talent but they need direction and I didnât expect HCGP to have to learn on the job for $900,000 We're one of the youngest, least-experienced, walking-wounded teams in college football. Granted. And I know that the step from high school systems and how-to to a collegiate system and how-to IS significant. With that said.... Is it just me or does the "lack of experience" reason seem too easy and flimsy as if we went into the high schools for footballers but could only get people from the home economics club? These players are doing this at a collegiate level because they've typically loved the sport, followed it, invested at some level in their talent, skill, and knowledge about the game, and are not discovering a football for the first time when they walk into a college stadium. Yes, I know there are some exceptions to that like the rugby player who becomes the placekicker or even the walk-on who joins the team on a whim and stands out significantly but.........we keep giving this "young/inexperienced" reason as if the entire roster was recruited at the last minute from the coach not having any players and walking over to the band practice and giving an inspiring speech to beg enough people to come over so he can at least field a team this season. If I'm wrong, well...okay. But it seems that an EXTRAORDINARY amount of wasted time, energy, and resources goes into the area of recruitment if it still achieves near the same result as if the band members suited up. It's a horrendous return on investment, any way you slice it. OR, it's the coaching. No doubt a full combo of both issues but you have got to analyse things in some terms of "what's our greatest weakness". We're not the only team with youth and inexperience at the collegiate level, are we? If not, then somebody somewhere is able to get young and inexperienced teams to perform at a high level. It doesn't seem to be happening at Troy right now. There seems to be talent and ability on the defensive side, minus the secondary. There is some talent in the run game and in the receivers group but not in the o line. There are strengths and there are weaknesses. The coaching and decision-making surrounding each of those is not putting Troy in the best possible position to win some winnable games. I thought this hire sucked. I was so uninspired and disappointed. Then I decided to get on board. We're 7 games in and I'm solidly BACK off board. This clown needs to go. Not only him but I'm all for a leadership change that took us in this direction. They got fortunate with Sumrall but every decision-maker that was involved in hiring (The HC we don’t speak of) and this guy need to NOT be at the table the next time around. They have embarrassed the university athletics dept. and let their student body, the players, and alumni down. This is NOT Troy football. I'm embarrassed to be associated with this - and I don't believe it to simply be youth and inexperience. I am not embarrassed to be associated with this. I am disappointed.
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 16, 2024 8:23:35 GMT -6
JMU 5-1 ULM 5-1 usa 3-3 wins the belt handily Ga St 2-3 but best Vandy who beat Alabama TROY 1-6 We are being outcoached and not just at head coach ! The offensive play calling was and has been aweful! I believe we have talent but they need direction and I didnât expect HCGP to have to learn on the job for $900,000 We're one of the youngest, least-experienced, walking-wounded teams in college football. Granted. And I know that the step from high school systems and how-to to a collegiate system and how-to IS significant. With that said.... Is it just me or does the "lack of experience" reason seem too easy and flimsy as if we went into the high schools for footballers but could only get people from the home economics club? These players are doing this at a collegiate level because they've typically loved the sport, followed it, invested at some level in their talent, skill, and knowledge about the game, and are not discovering a football for the first time when they walk into a college stadium. Yes, I know there are some exceptions to that like the rugby player who becomes the placekicker or even the walk-on who joins the team on a whim and stands out significantly but.........we keep giving this "young/inexperienced" reason as if the entire roster was recruited at the last minute from the coach not having any players and walking over to the band practice and giving an inspiring speech to beg enough people to come over so he can at least field a team this season. If I'm wrong, well...okay. But it seems that an EXTRAORDINARY amount of wasted time, energy, and resources goes into the area of recruitment if it still achieves near the same result as if the band members suited up. It's a horrendous return on investment, any way you slice it. OR, it's the coaching. No doubt a full combo of both issues but you have got to analyse things in some terms of "what's our greatest weakness". We're not the only team with youth and inexperience at the collegiate level, are we? If not, then somebody somewhere is able to get young and inexperienced teams to perform at a high level. It doesn't seem to be happening at Troy right now. There seems to be talent and ability on the defensive side, minus the secondary. There is some talent in the run game and in the receivers group but not in the o line. There are strengths and there are weaknesses. The coaching and decision-making surrounding each of those is not putting Troy in the best possible position to win some winnable games. I thought this hire sucked. I was so uninspired and disappointed. Then I decided to get on board. We're 7 games in and I'm solidly BACK off board. This clown needs to go. Not only him but I'm all for a leadership change that took us in this direction. They got fortunate with Sumrall but every decision-maker that was involved in hiring (The HC we don’t speak of) and this guy need to NOT be at the table the next time around. They have embarrassed the university athletics dept. and let their student body, the players, and alumni down. This is NOT Troy football. I'm embarrassed to be associated with this - and I don't believe it to simply be youth and inexperience. Little overly dramatic post, but no one is happy with the current record.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 16, 2024 8:29:18 GMT -6
We're one of the youngest, least-experienced, walking-wounded teams in college football. Granted. And I know that the step from high school systems and how-to to a collegiate system and how-to IS significant. With that said.... Is it just me or does the "lack of experience" reason seem too easy and flimsy as if we went into the high schools for footballers but could only get people from the home economics club? These players are doing this at a collegiate level because they've typically loved the sport, followed it, invested at some level in their talent, skill, and knowledge about the game, and are not discovering a football for the first time when they walk into a college stadium. Yes, I know there are some exceptions to that like the rugby player who becomes the placekicker or even the walk-on who joins the team on a whim and stands out significantly but.........we keep giving this "young/inexperienced" reason as if the entire roster was recruited at the last minute from the coach not having any players and walking over to the band practice and giving an inspiring speech to beg enough people to come over so he can at least field a team this season. If I'm wrong, well...okay. But it seems that an EXTRAORDINARY amount of wasted time, energy, and resources goes into the area of recruitment if it still achieves near the same result as if the band members suited up. It's a horrendous return on investment, any way you slice it. OR, it's the coaching. No doubt a full combo of both issues but you have got to analyse things in some terms of "what's our greatest weakness". We're not the only team with youth and inexperience at the collegiate level, are we? If not, then somebody somewhere is able to get young and inexperienced teams to perform at a high level. It doesn't seem to be happening at Troy right now. There seems to be talent and ability on the defensive side, minus the secondary. There is some talent in the run game and in the receivers group but not in the o line. There are strengths and there are weaknesses. The coaching and decision-making surrounding each of those is not putting Troy in the best possible position to win some winnable games. I thought this hire sucked. I was so uninspired and disappointed. Then I decided to get on board. We're 7 games in and I'm solidly BACK off board. This clown needs to go. Not only him but I'm all for a leadership change that took us in this direction. They got fortunate with Sumrall but every decision-maker that was involved in hiring (The HC we don’t speak of) and this guy need to NOT be at the table the next time around. They have embarrassed the university athletics dept. and let their student body, the players, and alumni down. This is NOT Troy football. I'm embarrassed to be associated with this - and I don't believe it to simply be youth and inexperience. Little overly dramatic post, but no one is happy with the current record. See no issues with Trojanocean’s post. He obviously cares and Troy is something that he believes in and desires it to do well. I see passion not drama from him. Would rather have a bunch of passionate supporters like him than folks that don’t care one way or another.
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Post by andytrojan on Oct 16, 2024 9:41:15 GMT -6
If you think Nick Saban could get this young, banged up team to a bowl game this year, you are on crack….
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Post by fltrojan on Oct 16, 2024 9:47:51 GMT -6
If you think Nick Saban could get this young, banged up team to a bowl game this year, you are on crack…. I'll guarantee you he could.
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Post by trojantke on Oct 16, 2024 15:02:34 GMT -6
If you think Nick Saban could get this young, banged up team to a bowl game this year, you are on crack…. I'll guarantee you he could. I understand that you are just saying that to genuflect in front of the great Saban, but Saban, Bear Bryant, CLB, and Tony Dungy combined couldn't get us to a bowl without somebody to throw the ball, people to block for him, etc etc. Not at all excusing CGP, but when such a stark reality is in front of us there is no need for hyperbole.
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Post by fltrojan on Oct 16, 2024 16:30:24 GMT -6
I'll guarantee you he could. I understand that you are just saying that to genuflect in front of the great Saban, but Saban, Bear Bryant, CLB, and Tony Dungy combined couldn't get us to a bowl without somebody to throw the ball, people to block for him, etc etc. Not at all excusing CGP, but when such a stark reality is in front of us there is no need for hyperbole. Saban was a motivator and sticker for discipline and the little things. This team is totally lost at sea. A good HC could at worst have this team 3-4 or 4-3.
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 16, 2024 20:21:52 GMT -6
I understand that you are just saying that to genuflect in front of the great Saban, but Saban, Bear Bryant, CLB, and Tony Dungy combined couldn't get us to a bowl without somebody to throw the ball, people to block for him, etc etc. Not at all excusing CGP, but when such a stark reality is in front of us there is no need for hyperbole. Saban was a motivator and sticker for discipline and the little things. This team is totally lost at sea. A good HC could at worst have this team 3-4 or 4-3. I disagree
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