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Post by cornhole on May 3, 2022 20:21:27 GMT -6
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Post by cornhole on May 9, 2022 18:47:48 GMT -6
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Post by buzzlightyear on May 9, 2022 20:18:55 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing these articles. Probably several law suits and issues later maybe a relaxation of the old will come about other than what came out of the chute first. Kind of like going to a college and saying the following: Ok guys I know you are 18-23 but you can have sex with anyone on campus but you should try to restrain yourselves some. Now everyone you want to be with will find you absolutely desirable and they will be willing participants. Now you should realize there are no consequences at this point (or at least any we can see) so be good and you can start today if you want.
Administrator 1 says to Administrator #2 Gee that statement looks good to me. What could go wrong?
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Post by buzzlightyear on May 10, 2022 8:53:45 GMT -6
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Post by cornhole on May 10, 2022 9:04:25 GMT -6
^^^^ - "you have to show him the money. That’s where we are right now."
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Post by buzzlightyear on May 10, 2022 9:05:30 GMT -6
Also saw an article about the odds of the P5 teams winning their respective conferences. I know that the previous article talks of cheating and we know that the big guys will push it even with the NCAA passing their rules to deal with it in some way. The article states that Vandy has a 500:1 chance of winning the SEC so obviously even the betting guys are delusional about college football now. (I know they have to post odds) However, this is like the scene in Dumb and Dumber where he says: "So you're saying there is a chance!!!"
I think the SBC has a chance this year to get it's brand even better and that is when the vultures come to visit. Here is to saying that College football to remain the fun we have known it for all these years as "Having a chance"
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Post by Troystet on May 10, 2022 14:34:48 GMT -6
Between NIL, Stipends and transfer portal the NCAA has killed college football.
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Post by foulpolephenom on May 11, 2022 15:28:50 GMT -6
Between NIL, Stipends and transfer portal the NCAA has killed college football. Don't think the NCAA did this, might want to blame the Supreme Court which passed the ruling that allowed NIL to be like it is now. "Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate," Kavanaugh wrote. "And under ordinary principles of antitrust law, it is not evident why college sports should be any different. "The NCAA is not above the law." Kavanaugh's opinion tears into the NCAA's assertion that amateurism is, as he wrote, "the defining feature of college sports." Such "innocuous labels," as Kavanaugh called them, "cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America." "All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that 'customers prefer' to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a 'love of the law.' Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a 'purer' form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a 'tradition' of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a 'spirit of amateurism” in Hollywood. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2021/06/21/justice-brett-kavanaugh-rips-ncaa-in-shawne-alston-opinion/7771281002/
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Post by cornhole on May 11, 2022 16:16:30 GMT -6
Not sure that Kavanaugh figured the price and value of a higher education in his rationale. Restaurant's cooks are not offered college education, nor are the other disciplines mentioned. Poor logic IMO.
NCAA was/is late coming to the table with any reasonable policies and rules to govern this free for all.
Won't "kill" college athletics but it sure changes much of the appeal of amateur sports. Just another Pro "All about me, All about the money" situation. It will be different.
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Post by foulpolephenom on May 11, 2022 19:04:16 GMT -6
Not sure that Kavanaugh figured the price and value of a higher education in his rationale. Restaurant's cooks are not offered college education, nor are the other disciplines mentioned. Poor logic IMO. NCAA was/is late coming to the table with any reasonable policies and rules to govern this free for all. Won't "kill" college athletics but it sure changes much of the appeal of amateur sports. Just another Pro "All about me, All about the money" situation. It will be different. Think the free education is enough to cover the billions the Big 10 and SEC is about to bring with new TV contracts? The $55 million dollars given to each SEC school after their revenue in 2020-21 rose to $777 million! It’s a business. These guys are employees
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Post by cornhole on May 11, 2022 19:25:40 GMT -6
Not sure that Kavanaugh figured the price and value of a higher education in his rationale. Restaurant's cooks are not offered college education, nor are the other disciplines mentioned. Poor logic IMO. NCAA was/is late coming to the table with any reasonable policies and rules to govern this free for all. Won't "kill" college athletics but it sure changes much of the appeal of amateur sports. Just another Pro "All about me, All about the money" situation. It will be different. Think the free education is enough to cover the billions the Big 10 and SEC is about to bring with new TV contracts? The $55 million dollars given to each SEC school after their revenue in 2020-21 rose to $777 million! It’s a business. These guys are employees Like I stated, It's all about the money. These guys are earning a lifetime opportunity if they choose to. Maybe we do away with the college education, just pay the "gladiators" their fair share to represent "our' school. Just changes the appeal of amateur sports. Read my lips.
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Post by cornhole on May 11, 2022 21:18:42 GMT -6
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Post by cornhole on May 12, 2022 21:13:41 GMT -6
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Post by Troystet on May 13, 2022 15:21:56 GMT -6
Think the free education is enough to cover the billions the Big 10 and SEC is about to bring with new TV contracts? The $55 million dollars given to each SEC school after their revenue in 2020-21 rose to $777 million! It’s a business. These guys are employees Like I stated, It's all about the money. These guys are earning a lifetime opportunity if they choose to. Maybe we do away with the college education, just pay the "gladiators" their fair share to represent "our' school. Just changes the appeal of amateur sports. Read my lips. This!! I've seen both sides as a student athlete in the ancient days of D2 where guys sacrificed their bodies in three a days and full pads every practice for sometimes just books or a dorm room in Slumni to being the parent of three kids who did not go on an athletic scholarship. Just because you play football at a big time P5 program does not entitle you to make big $$$ while regular students are taking out loans or working two jobs to pay their way to school. You sign a grant in aid to exchange playing football for a $100,000 plus education 100% free and in certain cases to make future Millions in the NFL. I don't care these schools make Millions. That player is no more valuable than the guy playing at St Olaf in D3 getting jack sqaut to play. You might not agree but that is exactly how I feel. P5 guys deserve no more than D3, D2, FCS or G5
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Post by buzzlightyear on May 13, 2022 19:09:13 GMT -6
The difference may be what the parents and fans (particularly the fans). Big P5 type guy in high school vs your St Olaf football kid. Fan says (and a lot of parents). I know your friend Sven is headed to St Olaf to play for the snow Vikings but you are special-er much special-er.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on May 13, 2022 20:10:00 GMT -6
Like I stated, It's all about the money. These guys are earning a lifetime opportunity if they choose to. Maybe we do away with the college education, just pay the "gladiators" their fair share to represent "our' school. Just changes the appeal of amateur sports. Read my lips. This!! I've seen both sides as a student athlete in the ancient days of D2 where guys sacrificed their bodies in three a days and full pads every practice for sometimes just books or a dorm room in Slumni to being the parent of three kids who did not go on an athletic scholarship. Just because you play football at a big time P5 program does not entitle you to make big $$$ while regular students are taking out loans or working two jobs to pay their way to school. You sign a grant in aid to exchange playing football for a $100,000 plus education 100% free and in certain cases to make future Millions in the NFL. I don't care these schools make Millions. That player is no more valuable than the guy playing at St Olaf in D3 getting jack sqaut to play. You might not agree but that is exactly how I feel. P5 guys deserve no more than D3, D2, FCS or G5 Eww. This feels full of equity and communism.
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Post by Troystet on May 15, 2022 15:15:59 GMT -6
This!! I've seen both sides as a student athlete in the ancient days of D2 where guys sacrificed their bodies in three a days and full pads every practice for sometimes just books or a dorm room in Slumni to being the parent of three kids who did not go on an athletic scholarship. Just because you play football at a big time P5 program does not entitle you to make big $$$ while regular students are taking out loans or working two jobs to pay their way to school. You sign a grant in aid to exchange playing football for a $100,000 plus education 100% free and in certain cases to make future Millions in the NFL. I don't care these schools make Millions. That player is no more valuable than the guy playing at St Olaf in D3 getting jack sqaut to play. You might not agree but that is exactly how I feel. P5 guys deserve no more than D3, D2, FCS or G5 Eww. This feels full of equity and communism. No it means a guy isn't worth more because he wears a football helmet than any other student at any other university. His worth then changes if he goes pro. If they want to make it all about money then take the student part out of the student athlete
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on May 15, 2022 18:25:00 GMT -6
Once college athletics, especially football and men's basketball, became the big business they have become, once the athletic budgets of big schools, reached the 10s of millions/year, once the salaries of football coaches reached the 10s of millions, any illusion of amateurism went out the window. Once that happened, it was only a matter of time before the ones producing the on the field product started demanding a bigger piece of the 100 million $ pie. Yes, they have the opportunity to obtain a college education that would cost your or I a couple of 100 grand in exchange for playing their sport, but that was never going to be enough, given the money involved. Don't take this as me saying I approve, I'm just pointing out the reality. A Heisman winning QB is worth more to the school and to his own financial well being than other students.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on May 15, 2022 21:14:22 GMT -6
Eww. This feels full of equity and communism. No it means a guy isn't worth more because he wears a football helmet than any other student at any other university. His worth then changes if he goes pro. If they want to make it all about money then take the student part out of the student athlete I disagree. The athletes generate revenue and so are more valuable to the business that is a university. Universities in general are now a business and they offer degrees that will offer no ROI to students that can get easy money from the taxpayers. Paying players is only a small part of what is wrong with American (or should I say China educating Americans) universities. But hey… as long as Troy keeps offering bread and circus, I will keep buying tickets and showing up.
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Post by buzzlightyear on May 16, 2022 11:47:26 GMT -6
Once college athletics, especially football and men's basketball, became the big business they have become, once the athletic budgets of big schools, reached the 10s of millions/year, once the salaries of football coaches reached the 10s of millions, any illusion of amateurism went out the window. Once that happened, it was only a matter of time before the ones producing the on the field product started demanding a bigger piece of the 100 million $ pie. Yes, they have the opportunity to obtain a college education that would cost your or I a couple of 100 grand in exchange for playing their sport, but that was never going to be enough, given the money involved. Don't take this as me saying I approve, I'm just pointing out the reality. A Heisman winning QB is worth more to the school and to his own financial well being than other students. I listened to an interview of Charles Barkley about NIL and said: What’s new about that besides the being obvious of being out. I was doing that long ago. Tongue in cheek (maybe sort of). Then there is Cam Newton another Auburn guy. Big money has always been around just getting spread out more and up front. However, a slight pump Of the breaks is necessary because unlike NFL parity is not part of a design. No rules leads to chaos not a long term viable commodity that people want to buy.
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Post by Troystet on May 16, 2022 12:52:39 GMT -6
The difference may be what the parents and fans (particularly the fans). Big P5 type guy in high school vs your St Olaf football kid. Fan says (and a lot of parents). I know your friend Sven is headed to St Olaf to play for the snow Vikings but you are special-er much special-er. And just think...SMU got the Death Penalty for far less than than the $$ involved in this stuff
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