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Nov 7, 2021 10:41:47 GMT -6
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Post by pctrojan16 on Nov 7, 2021 10:41:47 GMT -6
Is it me or does the SOTS not play a lot of stand tunes anymore?
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Nov 7, 2021 17:45:40 GMT -6
Money is part of the problem. There are entire law firms devoted to finding and suing entities for performing, copying, and even arranging music of artists without a ton of fees for each action. From what I understand SOTS has already been taken to court once. Every song = $$$. Better not to play the same song a dozen times.
I'm far more concerned about the wokeness, abandonment of tradition, and lame field shows. Pulling top 40 songs out of a hat isn't a show.
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Nov 8, 2021 9:13:28 GMT -6
Post by pctrojan16 on Nov 8, 2021 9:13:28 GMT -6
Money is part of the problem. There are entire law firms devoted to finding and suing entities for performing, copying, and even arranging music of artists without a ton of fees for each action. From what I understand SOTS has already been taken to court once. Every song = $$$. Better not to play the same song a dozen times. I'm far more concerned about the wokeness, abandonment of tradition, and lame field shows. Pulling top 40 songs out of a hat isn't a show. did not know about lawsuits
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Nov 8, 2021 9:23:19 GMT -6
Post by cornhole on Nov 8, 2021 9:23:19 GMT -6
The combined performance of the two bands at halftime of the USA game was an inspiring show! cornhole could revel in John Phillip Sousa music every halftime!
Hope his heirs don't sue us.
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Nov 8, 2021 12:09:18 GMT -6
Post by The Cardinal Rule on Nov 8, 2021 12:09:18 GMT -6
Seems to me like they always play some pop songs from the 70's as a halftime show nearly every year.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Nov 9, 2021 4:20:46 GMT -6
Seems to me like they always play some pop songs from the 70's as a halftime show nearly every year. I don't see every show. That's another problem. Other university bands - like Southern - have their own videographers and constantly post to social media. You can see Southern's entire performance in Troy from marching into the stadium, to halftime, to post game, to marching out. Troy's social media is non-existent. But back to your statement, I don't see every show, so they could be. I remember they did 70's music for a few years and from what I've seen since they're doing top 40 and pop. There's not even a theme or flow to it, just whatever they think "the kids" want to hear. I don't know if they are trying to entertain the fans or recruit, maybe both.
Just search the Marching Southerners on YouTube for this year. Or any year. They just play good music extremely well. Their shows are designed with a flow from open to close. That's what entertains and gets the kids in. That's why they are growing and SOTS is shrinking.
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Nov 13, 2021 22:42:38 GMT -6
Post by TrojanFanatic on Nov 13, 2021 22:42:38 GMT -6
SOTS isn't shrinking...that I know of anyway. The thing about numbers is that it's not always the best thing to go on. Recruitment relies so heavily on high school bands in the area and right now most, if not all, of those programs are hurting, some of them badly. I know my numbers are down this year, but I have more than last year. Covid is hitting high school programs hard and that's going to impact college numbers.
I agree about the social media presence, BUT it has gotten better since I was there from 2008-2013. We at least have a social media presence that posts on multiple platforms.
As far as the shows, they've missed for me lately more than they've hit, although I don't mind the Elton show. The band is there for the crowd and has to entertain, but that's getting harder to do with ads, sponsorships, etc. during the game. The ability to have new songs arranged is extremely important though, some of those songs can cost upwards of 5k each, depending on the publisher.
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Post by Grant on Nov 15, 2021 12:43:11 GMT -6
For every game, we get a "schedule" of sorts of all the ad reads and events that the athletics department is going to do. One of the drum majors will wear a headset that's linked in with athletics and there's a producer who runs the whole event. He'll cue for things like sponsored ad reads, games like the Publix higher or lower and Half Shell Oyster Shuffle, and so forth.
We are usually put on the back end of that stuff, so after all the reads are done, then we're able to come in. Generally the media timeouts are 2.5/3 minutes, so after all is said and done and we can play, the band is left with an average of 1:00 to play something. A lot of our stand tunes run longer than that, but we still try to play where we can.
When there are no more media timeouts in a quarter, it becomes even more difficult to play as the game doesn't stop without a sideline timeout.
It's not necessarily anyone's fault that we're not able to play as much as we'd like, it's just the way that things go. Kyle George in particular is a huge supporter of the band and he tries to get us in when he can.
In regards to our size, The Sound of the South recruits by traveling to high school competitions and performing. Since we were not able to do that last year due to COVID, we did go down in size this year. That, combined with us having an additional section in The Vet that we didn't have in the past, makes us look a lot smaller than in years past, when in reality, we're not significantly smaller.
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Nov 15, 2021 13:52:42 GMT -6
Post by pctrojan16 on Nov 15, 2021 13:52:42 GMT -6
For every game, we get a "schedule" of sorts of all the ad reads and events that the athletics department is going to do. One of the drum majors will wear a headset that's linked in with athletics and there's a producer who runs the whole event. He'll cue for things like sponsored ad reads, games like the Publix higher or lower and Half Shell Oyster Shuffle, and so forth. We are usually put on the back end of that stuff, so after all the reads are done, then we're able to come in. Generally the media timeouts are 2.5/3 minutes, so after all is said and done and we can play, the band is left with an average of 1:00 to play something. A lot of our stand tunes run longer than that, but we still try to play where we can. When there are no more media timeouts in a quarter, it becomes even more difficult to play as the game doesn't stop without a sideline timeout. It's not necessarily anyone's fault that we're not able to play as much as we'd like, it's just the way that things go. Kyle George in particular is a huge supporter of the band and he tries to get us in when he can. In regards to our size, The Sound of the South recruits by traveling to high school competitions and performing. Since we were not able to do that last year due to COVID, we did go down in size this year. That, combined with us having an additional section in The Vet that we didn't have in the past, makes us look a lot smaller than in years past, when in reality, we're not significantly smaller. did not know this, makes a lot of sense
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Nov 21, 2021 17:20:57 GMT -6
Post by trojannation on Nov 21, 2021 17:20:57 GMT -6
There is a lot of truth that has been put out on this board that has been posted.
1. Lets start with the shows. They are horrible and regurgitateds show from the past. I understand that the crowd should enjoy them but OMG enough with 70s! Last descent show that the band did in recent time was the American show even the drill sets were awful and no dynamics to the show. Yeah you are the "SOUND OF THE SOUTH", but show there is more than just blowing your brains out.
2. Do something about that guard. They are horrible! You have someone their who has a background from a high profile Drum Corps/Winter Guard utilize her. OMG the only way that part of the program is going to grow is to make it more interesting for the the high school kids.
3. Retire that horrible fanfare, it is not like by anyone. If the band isnt going to use the original then do away with it.
3 - The size is down because of covid but also I heard from a couple of alumni, that the Dr. Hawkins want to cap the band off.
4. Get a new director with a new vision or just get a director for the marching band. It is so stagnate and needs to updated and refreshed.
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Nov 21, 2021 17:56:19 GMT -6
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Nov 21, 2021 17:56:19 GMT -6
We don't need to do away with the Fanfare. Abandoning tradition is part of how they are in this mess. Just get an arranger to fix it, or just put Dixie back in. Funny how no one in Jacksonville is offended by Dixie.
Discipline! Watch the homecoming parade. Entire sections just walking! Percussionists out of step. Percussionists!
Bring back sideline percussion. Entire levels of depth, so much that can be done with arrangements all being left on the table.
I'm all for honoring the past and moving forward, but this isn't forward. It seems like the moment Dr.Long passed there was a rush to erase everything. Now SOTS is just another college band, that sounds like a well-rehearsed high school band.
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Nov 21, 2021 18:01:24 GMT -6
Post by trojannation on Nov 21, 2021 18:01:24 GMT -6
We don't need to do away with the Fanfare. Abandoning tradition is part of how they are in this mess. Just get an arranger to fix it, or just put Dixie back in. Funny how no one in Jacksonville is offended by Dixie. Discipline! Watch the homecoming parade. Entire sections just walking! Percussionists out of step. Percussionists! Bring back sideline percussion. Entire levels of depth, so much that can be done with arrangements all being left on the table. I'm all for honoring the past and moving forward, but this isn't forward. It seems like the moment Dr.Long passed there was a rush to erase everything. Now SOTS is just another college band, that sounds like a well-rehearsed high school band. I agree about the Fanfare. If they would fix it I could be ok with it, as well as other alumni and fans. Southerners done play Dixie anymore. They did away with it before Troy. I agree with with everything else you said. The band sounds like a high school band. Nothing inspiring about it.
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Nov 21, 2021 18:09:17 GMT -6
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Nov 21, 2021 18:09:17 GMT -6
Okay, I believe you when you say the Southerners stopped playing Dixie, but I distinctly remember them playing it after SOTS stopped.
But yeah, the point is that the fanfare is lame now, just like everything else.
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Post by trojannation on Nov 21, 2021 18:16:31 GMT -6
Yeah I agree is it lame. Everything about the marching band is lame. Nothing like it use to be.
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Post by thechicken on Nov 30, 2021 4:54:26 GMT -6
JSU got rid of Dixie several years ago voluntarily.
Tresona swooped in and realized they could start charging for every single piece of sheet music ever on behalf of composers and studios recently. And now there are so many ads and crappy rap songs blaring from the PA systems at games that it's hard to get anything in.
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Nov 30, 2021 12:06:53 GMT -6
Post by Troystet on Nov 30, 2021 12:06:53 GMT -6
I can't speak for HS bands in AL but I can speak for N. Cent FL area (Lake City South To Just N of Orlando) My daughter did HS band here from 2009-12 and SOTS from 2013-14 (had to drop band because she was on Millenium Scholarship and had to graduate in 4 years). The HS bands down here are awful. The largest one we saw had 65 members and it was a 8A school with a music magnet program). We had a 7A team we played that had 18 band members and a 5A with 12. Nobody wants to do band. Then I have a HS friend who's son went to Lowdnes Co HS in GA and they had over 300 and another friend from Troy who's son is in band in metro ATL and they are at least 200 strong. It has to be getting hard to recruit SOTS
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 30, 2021 12:29:27 GMT -6
Marianna High School with around 700 students had a band of around 200 without auxiliary in early 2000’s now about 35-40. Kids are not into their schools as much as they were 15-20 years ago. But they are sure into themselves and their next social media experience.
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Nov 30, 2021 12:31:51 GMT -6
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 30, 2021 12:31:51 GMT -6
However they have plenty of time for being on their phones 50 hours a week. Yes I just typed this on my phone.
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Nov 30, 2021 13:49:40 GMT -6
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Post by ksdtrojan on Nov 30, 2021 13:49:40 GMT -6
However they have plenty of time for being on their phones 50 hours a week. Yes I just typed this on my phone. I liked this on my phone 😎
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Nov 30, 2021 14:40:44 GMT -6
Money is part of the problem. There are entire law firms devoted to finding and suing entities for performing, copying, and even arranging music of artists without a ton of fees for each action. From what I understand SOTS has already been taken to court once. Every song = $$$. Better not to play the same song a dozen times. I'm far more concerned about the wokeness, abandonment of tradition, and lame field shows. Pulling top 40 songs out of a hat isn't a show. 
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Nov 30, 2021 17:37:01 GMT -6
Post by Trojanfan2 on Nov 30, 2021 17:37:01 GMT -6
When Robert Smith was the director there was lots of imagination and different stuff; the themes, the appearance, etc. Now it just some music. They need to watch some of the other bands on you tube and do something entertaining. Now it's just come out in the middle of the 2nd quarter, play a few bars of a few songs and then go back into the stands. Pre game is worse. Try some animation. I quit supporting them after they required vaccinations or you can't play.
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Nov 30, 2021 17:45:14 GMT -6
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Nov 30, 2021 17:45:14 GMT -6
When Robert Smith was the director there was lots of imagination and different stuff; the themes, the appearance, etc. Now it just some music. They need to watch some of the other bands on you tube and do something entertaining. Now it's just come out in the middle of the 2nd quarter, play a few bars of a few songs and then go back into the stands. Pre game is worse. Try some animation. I quit supporting them after they required vaccinations or you can't play. Unfortunately, while Robert Smith was brilliant musically and generally creatively, he also - so I've heard - had some certain character issues. I think I might be willing to overlook them at this point though. I wouldn't march either if vaccination were required. I've seen what vaccines with no liability have done to some relatives and I'll have none of it.
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Post by trojannation on Nov 30, 2021 22:11:31 GMT -6
When Robert Smith was the director there was lots of imagination and different stuff; the themes, the appearance, etc. Now it just some music. They need to watch some of the other bands on you tube and do something entertaining. Now it's just come out in the middle of the 2nd quarter, play a few bars of a few songs and then go back into the stands. Pre game is worse. Try some animation. I quit supporting them after they required vaccinations or you can't play. Unfortunately, while Robert Smith was brilliant musically and generally creatively, he also - so I've heard - had some certain character issues. I think I might be willing to overlook them at this point though. I wouldn't march either if vaccination were required. I've seen what vaccines with no liability have done to some relatives and I'll have none of it. I agree I can look over a lot of things if they would just get the band back to what it was. Probably, like quite a few on here, many that are speaking on the forum page, were involved with the SOTS in one shape or another. I do know a lot of alumni don't care much for the direction the current band is headed but what can we do? TUBA is not a very big organization in the overall picture of alumni. I for one will not give any more until there has been made a change in regard of the marching band. The band was something I could be proud at one time but not anymore. I will continue to support the university in every facet but I will not pretend anymore to like they band. There my money will not go to them. As for the vaccination, the school as a whole she be ashamed of that. They should have the right to take not be forced to if they want to march. SHAME ON THE UNIVERSITY! You always ways here, "when I was in the band it was so much better," well in this case it is the truth. Until there is a change it is going to keep losing credibility it once had as one of the finest collegiate marching bands instead of a well-rehearsed high school band. As for the school they should be ashamed of themselves making student take the shot. No one should be forced to if they want to be a part of an organization. SHAME ON THE UNIVERSITY!
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Nov 30, 2021 22:55:46 GMT -6
Post by Trojans1andAll on Nov 30, 2021 22:55:46 GMT -6
Unfortunately, while Robert Smith was brilliant musically and generally creatively, he also - so I've heard - had some certain character issues. I think I might be willing to overlook them at this point though. I wouldn't march either if vaccination were required. I've seen what vaccines with no liability have done to some relatives and I'll have none of it. I agree I can look over a lot of things if they would just get the band back to what it was. Probably, like quite a few on here, many that are speaking on the forum page, were involved with the SOTS in one shape or another. I do know a lot of alumni don't care much for the direction the current band is headed but what can we do? TUBA is not a very big organization in the overall picture of alumni. I for one will not give any more until there has been made a change in regard of the marching band. The band was something I could be proud at one time but not anymore. I will continue to support the university in every facet but I will not pretend anymore to like they band. There my money will not go to them. Here's an eye opener for ya, Jax St. is about to go I-A football. That means that probably sooner than later, the Southerners are going to march back into Troy and when they do it won't be pretty. People's Supreme Leader Hawkins will be too busy county pennies but everyone else is going to see and hear the difference, big time!
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