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Post by troyalumni on Oct 5, 2019 20:59:17 GMT -6
If this happens it’s time to light the torches and show up at the AD’s door step.
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Post by troyfan on Oct 6, 2019 21:14:14 GMT -6
I don't see a move being made for his first year. We are stuck with him for at least 3.
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Post by troyalumni on Oct 6, 2019 21:48:57 GMT -6
I don't see a move being made for his first year. We are stuck with him for at least 3. You may be right about year 1, however if progress isnât made year 2 his foot will be out the door. The only reason blakeney lasted as long as he did after going down hill was out of respect for what he did for the program and university. I canât say the same for (The HC we don’t speak of) if he doesnât make a turnaround the rest of this season and next.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 7, 2019 2:20:55 GMT -6
If I remember correctly - please correct me if I'm wrong - Blakeney was the first IA coach who stayed more than two years without winning in all of the NCAA.
(The HC we don’t speak of) sure as hell doesn't deserve that much.
I know he's got a golden ticket to next season, but with all the talent that is supposed to be eligible and healthy next year, if he doesn't produce it will be time to clean out his office.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 7, 2019 4:54:58 GMT -6
If I remember correctly - please correct me if I'm wrong - Blakeney was the first IA coach who stayed more than two years without winning in all of the NCAA. (The HC we don’t speak of) sure as hell doesn't deserve that much. I know he's got a golden ticket to next season, but with all the talent that is supposed to be eligible and healthy next year, if he doesn't produce it will be time to clean out his office. Just remember to all the folks calling for firing coaches and coordinators after 4 games or a year or two, good coaches will think twice or three or never about coming to Troy.
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Post by crawlspace13 on Oct 7, 2019 5:33:56 GMT -6
If I remember correctly - please correct me if I'm wrong - Blakeney was the first IA coach who stayed more than two years without winning in all of the NCAA. (The HC we don’t speak of) sure as hell doesn't deserve that much. I know he's got a golden ticket to next season, but with all the talent that is supposed to be eligible and healthy next year, if he doesn't produce it will be time to clean out his office. Just remember to all the folks calling for firing coaches and coordinators after 4 games or a year or two, good coaches will think twice or three or never about coming to Troy. Good coaches will never stay for more than a year or two. And they may as well get used to it now, because the higher up you go, the more unforgiving the boosters and fans are. You get into the SEC, have a perfect run but then drop your rivalry game? They want you fired before the stadium is even emptied out. We just need to complain enough to let those coming in know what expectations are even though we're "just the Sunbelt." ð While I don't like some of the current staff, part of it is bias from just not liking them in general before they got here. I'm giving them until the end of the season to change my mind. But they get my money regardless. LOL OH, and we aren't going to lose to South. It's going to be a rough game, though.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 7, 2019 5:52:41 GMT -6
Just remember to all the folks calling for firing coaches and coordinators after 4 games or a year or two, good coaches will think twice or three or never about coming to Troy. Good coaches will never stay for more than a year or two. And they may as well get used to it now, because the higher up you go, the more unforgiving the boosters and fans are. You get into the SEC, have a perfect run but then drop your rivalry game? They want you fired before the stadium is even emptied out. We just need to complain enough to let those coming in know what expectations are even though we're "just the Sunbelt." 😉 While I don't like some of the current staff, part of it is bias from just not liking them in general before they got here. I'm giving them until the end of the season to change my mind. But they get my money regardless. LOL OH, and we aren't going to lose to South. It's going to be a rough game, though. Some good points there. But we need to make sure our expectations match what tools are available in the program for them to happen.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 7, 2019 8:27:09 GMT -6
NB went 4-8 in his first year with a dumpster fire, discipline problems he had to address,an entire juco signing class the year before he got there and a team that didn't know how to win. In the four years prior to him 3-9, 5-7, 6-6, 3-9. The team CL inherited had back to back 10 win seasons and 3-0 in Bowl games and one Sun Belt title. If we go 4-8 or 5-7 it is a failure of this coaching staff
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Oct 7, 2019 8:38:32 GMT -6
The great LB went 5-6 in his first season in 1991. He then went 10-2 his second year. He had 17 .500 or better seasons and 7 sub .500 seasons. XHCNB went 4-8 his first year in 2015 and then went 10-3, 11-2, and 10-3. My point is, this year may stink, but I think that (The HC we don’t speak of) gets a pass for his first season. The two coaches before him got passes.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 7, 2019 8:42:26 GMT -6
The great LB went 5-6 in his first season in 1991. He then went 10-2 his second year. He had 17 .500 or better seasons and 7 sub .500 seasons. XHCNB went 4-8 his first year in 2015 and then went 10-3, 11-2, and 10-3. My point is, this year may stink, but I think that (The HC we don’t speak of) gets a pass for his first season. The two coaches before him got passes. Except LB inherited 4-6, 4-6, 5-5. NB inherited 3-9, 5-7, 6-6, 3-9. CL inherited back to back 10 win seasons, back to back LSU and Nebraska wins, SUN BELT title and 3-0 in Bowl Games. Huge difference
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 7, 2019 9:04:14 GMT -6
The great LB went 5-6 in his first season in 1991. He then went 10-2 his second year. He had 17 .500 or better seasons and 7 sub .500 seasons. XHCNB went 4-8 his first year in 2015 and then went 10-3, 11-2, and 10-3. My point is, this year may stink, but I think that (The HC we don’t speak of) gets a pass for his first season. The two coaches before him got passes. Except LB inherited 4-6, 4-6, 5-5. NB inherited 3-9, 5-7, 6-6, 3-9. CL inherited back to back 10 win seasons, back to back LSU and Nebraska wins, SUN BELT title and 3-0 in Bowl Games. Huge difference Excellent points.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Oct 7, 2019 9:21:35 GMT -6
The great LB went 5-6 in his first season in 1991. He then went 10-2 his second year. He had 17 .500 or better seasons and 7 sub .500 seasons. XHCNB went 4-8 his first year in 2015 and then went 10-3, 11-2, and 10-3. My point is, this year may stink, but I think that (The HC we don’t speak of) gets a pass for his first season. The two coaches before him got passes. Except LB inherited 4-6, 4-6, 5-5. NB inherited 3-9, 5-7, 6-6, 3-9. CL inherited back to back 10 win seasons, back to back LSU and Nebraska wins, SUN BELT title and 3-0 in Bowl Games. Huge difference All true. Consider this though... Would you agree that our offense is good? Without losing BJ Smith, would you be satisfied with our offense? Let's pretend that VK stayed and we had CL offense with VK defense... Would you agree that we would be a good football team? I think that (The HC we don’t speak of) simply hired the wrong guy(s) to coach defense. If you look at DCBH's resume, it is not terrible, but in application he's not getting it done. So let's say that (The HC we don’t speak of) turns in a stinker this season but in the off season hires a good DC and we have a good recruiting class. I think we are back. I've said it before and I stand by it... 10 wins is the standard... but I think (The HC we don’t speak of) gets a pass for his first season.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 7, 2019 9:34:33 GMT -6
Except LB inherited 4-6, 4-6, 5-5. NB inherited 3-9, 5-7, 6-6, 3-9. CL inherited back to back 10 win seasons, back to back LSU and Nebraska wins, SUN BELT title and 3-0 in Bowl Games. Huge difference All true. Consider this though... Would you agree that our offense is good? Without losing BJ Smith, would you be satisfied with our offense? Let's pretend that VK stayed and we had CL offense with VK defense... Would you agree that we would be a good football team? I think that (The HC we don’t speak of) simply hired the wrong guy(s) to coach defense. If you look at DCBH's resume, it is not terrible, but in application he's not getting it done. So let's say that (The HC we don’t speak of) turns in a stinker this season but in the off season hires a good DC and we have a good recruiting class. I think we are back. I've said it before and I stand by it... 10 wins is the standard... but I think (The HC we don’t speak of) gets a pass for his first season.
Yea but look at the defensive personal from last year to this year. A lot of daylight. We had a walk on safeties and true freshman in the secondary playing USM and some in Arky St. and still almost won. I would say if we were at 100% without the injuries we would be 4-1. (The HC we don’t speak of) deserves to be judged but there are two sides to the judgement.
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Post by twc on Oct 7, 2019 10:24:13 GMT -6
To those of you acting like our current staff inherited the '85 Bears defense, please take a tally of all the players we lost from transfers and graduation. This year's unit is closer to the one VK inherited than we would like to think.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 7, 2019 10:30:37 GMT -6
To those of you acting like our current staff inherited the '85 Bears defense, please take a tally of all the players we lost from transfers and graduation. This year's unit is closer to the one VK inherited than we would like to think.
Except VK didn't give up 47, 50, 47 in five games. Granted all weren't on the D but 2015 offense didn't have to score 50 to win.
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Post by peewee26 on Oct 7, 2019 13:44:59 GMT -6
Except LB inherited 4-6, 4-6, 5-5. NB inherited 3-9, 5-7, 6-6, 3-9. CL inherited back to back 10 win seasons, back to back LSU and Nebraska wins, SUN BELT title and 3-0 in Bowl Games. Huge difference Excellent points. This is all true. And I’m not making excuses - hopefully just stating a diff perspective. The D isn’t the same. The D also isn’t solely to blame. Our O and/or ST have contributed btwn 14-21 points in at least two of those losses. My point isn’t that 500+ yards in multiple games is ok - it’s not. My point is all 3 phases need help.
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Post by Hemi Man on Oct 7, 2019 13:59:03 GMT -6
This is all true. And I’m not making excuses - hopefully just stating a diff perspective. The D isn’t the same. The D also isn’t solely to blame. Our O and/or ST have contributed btwn 14-21 points in at least two of those losses. My point isn’t that 500+ yards in multiple games is ok - it’s not. My point is all 3 phases need help. I agree 100%. Red zone offense isn’t nearly as good as it should be especially when you break it down to touchdowns scored in the Red Zone. I stand by my opinion that the defense played well enough to beat Ark St. Especially in the second half.
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Post by twc on Oct 7, 2019 14:35:20 GMT -6
To those of you acting like our current staff inherited the '85 Bears defense, please take a tally of all the players we lost from transfers and graduation. This year's unit is closer to the one VK inherited than we would like to think.
Except VK didn't give up 47, 50, 47 in five games. Granted all weren't on the D but 2015 offense didn't have to score 50 to win. We gave up 40+ four times that year.
If the defense doesn't show improvement by the end of the season, then I'll pin it on the DC. For now, I think we have more of a "Jimmies and Joes" problem that'll have to be addressed either in practice or recruiting.
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Post by peewee26 on Oct 7, 2019 15:27:20 GMT -6
This is all true. And I’m not making excuses - hopefully just stating a diff perspective. The D isn’t the same. The D also isn’t solely to blame. Our O and/or ST have contributed btwn 14-21 points in at least two of those losses. My point isn’t that 500+ yards in multiple games is ok - it’s not. My point is all 3 phases need help. I agree 100%. Red zone offense isn’t nearly as good as it should be especially when you break it down to touchdowns scored in the Red Zone. I stand by my opinion that the defense played well enough to beat Ark St. Especially in the second half. Agree, Hemi. Some of the choices and calls (and execution) left something to be desired. I agree that the defense gave us a chance. Ark State - The fake punt (which is ST) was a back breaker. USM - A dropped punt near the goal line & KO return Mizz - 2 INT - one near goal line & one pick six. There’s room to improve eeeerywhwre. Scores aren’t all on the D. And
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Post by trojanbrutha on Oct 9, 2019 7:42:33 GMT -6
All true. Consider this though... Would you agree that our offense is good? Without losing BJ Smith, would you be satisfied with our offense? Let's pretend that VK stayed and we had CL offense with VK defense... Would you agree that we would be a good football team? I think that (The HC we don’t speak of) simply hired the wrong guy(s) to coach defense. If you look at DCBH's resume, it is not terrible, but in application he's not getting it done. So let's say that (The HC we don’t speak of) turns in a stinker this season but in the off season hires a good DC and we have a good recruiting class. I think we are back. I've said it before and I stand by it... 10 wins is the standard... but I think (The HC we don’t speak of) gets a pass for his first season.
Yea but look at the defensive personal from last year to this year. A lot of daylight. We had a walk on safeties and true freshman in the secondary playing USM and some in Arky St. and still almost won. I would say if we were at 100% without the injuries we would be 4-1. (The HC we don’t speak of) deserves to be judged but there are two sides to the judgement. Who are you? Have you recently become a 'townie?' This has to be a case of reverse psychology...
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 9, 2019 8:18:29 GMT -6
Yea but look at the defensive personal from last year to this year. A lot of daylight. We had a walk on safeties and true freshman in the secondary playing USM and some in Arky St. and still almost won. I would say if we were at 100% without the injuries we would be 4-1. (The HC we don’t speak of) deserves to be judged but there are two sides to the judgement. Who are you? Have you recently become a 'townie?' This has to be a case of reverse psychology... LOL. Nah. Just an ole Trojan trying to improve everyday and call it like I see it. We are change/morph back and forth over time. Beat SOuth !
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Post by trojanbreeze on Oct 9, 2019 10:37:55 GMT -6
Reminder - Neal Brown lost TWICE to South. Including an 8-19 loss in 2017. Ouch.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Oct 9, 2019 12:53:53 GMT -6
Reminder - Neal Brown lost TWICE to South. Including an 8-19 loss in 2017. Ouch. That one hurt. It was right after we beat LSU. I was totally bragging... I brought a bunch of people to the game and we lay an egg.
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Post by Troystet on Oct 9, 2019 13:10:11 GMT -6
Reminder - Neal Brown lost TWICE to South. Including an 8-19 loss in 2017. Ouch. That's why this is no gimme. They have one win, we have two and they have played a harder schedule.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Oct 9, 2019 14:01:56 GMT -6
Win or lose DT will hate them, the staff, the fans, the town, the university, the superiority complex that surrounds it all.
I hate them so very bad.
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