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Post by TroyFootball05 on Dec 5, 2014 9:45:03 GMT -6
We know Troy's 1.2 million is the highest in the SBC. Here's the rest of the league for comparison. Troy : 1,200,000 Arkansas State : 1,033,000 Louisiana-Laff : 997,000 Georgia State : 973,000 South Alabama : 914,000 Texas State : 779,000 Louisiana-Mon : 699,000 Idaho : 696,000 New Mexico State : 688,000 Nice bit of separation between Troy and the rest of the league. Can't find data for Georgia Southern or Appalachian State, however they do round out the bottom for head coaches pay in the SBC, so I imagine their assistants are in the bottom somewhere as well. Willie Fritz, Georgia Southern, 300,000 Scott Satterfield, Appalachian State, 225,000 For more reference, I've listed a few schools of interest. Troy : 1,200,000 Marshall : 1,013,000 (CUSA East Champs) Louisiana Tech : 999,000 (CUSA West Champs) Northern Illinois : 849,000 (MAC West Champs) Bowling Green : 826,000 (MAC East Champs) Middle Tennessee : 1,000,000 Western Kentucky : 800,000 Alabama-Birmingham : 1,081,000 Southern Miss : 1,095,000 Marshall and Louisiana Tech are the CUSA East and West Champs. Northern Illinois and Bowling Green are the MAC East & West Champs. Georgia Southern is the SBC champ. Our assistants are compensated significantly more than any of those five programs. Of the SBC, CUSA, and MAC, we have the highest paid assistants. Hartwell & Co. were not playing around when they wrote up these contracts. For those wanting to "make a statement", this one is loud and clear. sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Dec 5, 2014 10:05:42 GMT -6
East Carolina has moved to the AAC making Troy the highest paid assistants in the SBC, MAC, and CUSA. I'd originally written that East Carolina's $1,226,000 had edged Troy. They are no longer CUSA. Who would have thought two weeks ago we'd be the heavy rollers in our three conference area? It's an exciting time to be a Trojan!
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Post by atlantatrojan on Dec 5, 2014 10:05:43 GMT -6
Thanks for posting! Exciting!!!
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 5, 2014 11:25:44 GMT -6
We know Troy's 1.2 million is the highest in the SBC. Here's the rest of the league for comparison. Troy : 1,200,000 Arkansas State : 1,033,000 Louisiana-Laff : 997,000 Georgia State : 973,000 South Alabama : 914,000 Texas State : 779,000 Louisiana-Mon : 699,000 Idaho : 696,000 New Mexico State : 688,000 Nice bit of separation between Troy and the rest of the league. Can't find data for Georgia Southern or Appalachian State, however they do round out the bottom for head coaches pay in the SBC, so I imagine their assistants are in the bottom somewhere as well. Willie Fritz, Georgia Southern, 300,000 Scott Satterfield, Appalachian State, 225,000 For more reference, I've listed a few schools of interest. Troy : 1,200,000 Marshall : 1,013,000 (CUSA East Champs) Louisiana Tech : 999,000 (CUSA West Champs) Northern Illinois : 849,000 (MAC West Champs) Bowling Green : 826,000 (MAC East Champs) Middle Tennessee : 1,000,000 Western Kentucky : 800,000 Alabama-Birmingham : 1,081,000 Southern Miss : 1,095,000 Marshall and Louisiana Tech are the CUSA East and West Champs. Northern Illinois and Bowling Green are the MAC East & West Champs. Georgia Southern is the SBC champ. Our assistants are compensated significantly more than any of those five programs. Of the SBC, CUSA, and MAC, we have the highest paid assistants. Hartwell & Co. were not playing around when they wrote up these contracts. For those wanting to "make a statement", this one is loud and clear. sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistantEast Carolina has moved to the AAC making Troy the highest paid assistants in the SBC, MAC, and CUSA. I'd originally written that East Carolina's $1,226,000 had edged Troy. They are no longer CUSA. Who would have thought two weeks ago we'd be the heavy rollers in our three conference area? It's an exciting time to be a Trojan! Check off the "our coaches need to make more money" excuse as a reason for not winning.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Dec 5, 2014 11:36:33 GMT -6
The Endzone facility seems to be getting back on track as well, so whether or not that was ever an excuse, Troy is being put in a position to succeed. Everyone should be happy about this.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Dec 5, 2014 11:37:23 GMT -6
That was never an excuse...it was the truth. Glad it's not the case now.
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 5, 2014 11:54:36 GMT -6
All those that wanted the university to step up, they did. Time to do your part now
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 5, 2014 11:57:18 GMT -6
That was never an excuse...it was the truth. Glad it's not the case now. The best team in the Sunbelt was Georgia Southern who's coaches salaries were at the bottom. Truth. It was used as an excuse at times.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 5, 2014 11:57:44 GMT -6
All those that wanted the university to step up, they did. Time to do your part now This is Truth.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Dec 5, 2014 13:33:52 GMT -6
That was never an excuse...it was the truth. Glad it's not the case now. The best team in the Sunbelt was Georgia Southern who's coaches salaries were at the bottom. Truth. It was used as an excuse at times. The relationship between salaries and on field performance has been deadly accurate. Top Shelf salaries have produced SBC titles (Arkansas State, ULL). Middle of the pack in salaries have been middle of the pack on the field (USA, Troy, Texas State, ULM). Bottom feeder salaries have produced bottom feeder performance (Idaho, New Mexico State). Though outliers like Georgia State and Georgia Southern, do exist, there is enough data to reasonably assume that if you want to win in the SBC, you better be prepared to pay the price. It is no guarantee Troy will do well, just an observation, and certainly a reason for optimism as Neal Brown goes looking for a DC worth his salt. Last four years on field performance in parentheses (). Arkansas State : 1,033,000 (Top two teams in the league, best salaries) Louisiana-Laff : 997,000 (Top two teams in the league, best salaries) Georgia State : 973,000 (Worst team in the league, mid to high level salary) South Alabama : 914,000 (Middle of pack on the field, middle of the pack salary) Troy : 900,000 (Middle of pack on the field, middle of the pack salary) Texas State : 779,000 (Middle of pack on the field, middle of the pack salary) Louisiana-Mon : 699,000 (Middle of pack on the field, middle of the pack salary) Idaho : 696,000 (Two of the worst teams in the league, worst salaries) New Mexico State : 688,000 (Two of the worst teams in the league, worst salaries) * No data available for GS or APP. Though GS and APP are assumed to have very low salaries.
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Post by preachertoo on Dec 5, 2014 13:43:24 GMT -6
That was never an excuse...it was the truth. Glad it's not the case now. The best team in the Sunbelt was Georgia Southern who's coaches salaries were at the bottom. Truth. It was used as an excuse at times. Let's see where they are in 10yrs if they don't put money in it. Things change it's new for them right now. And they have some great talent because of the rules they have been able to use to their favor over the past few years.
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Post by preachertoo on Dec 5, 2014 13:53:20 GMT -6
The best team in the Sunbelt was Georgia Southern who's coaches salaries were at the bottom. Truth. It was used as an excuse at times. The relationship between salaries and on field performance has been deadly accurate. Top Shelf salaries have produced SBC titles (Arkansas State, ULL). Middle of the pack in salaries have been middle of the pack on the field (USA, Troy, Texas State, ULM). Bottom feeder salaries have produced bottom feeder performance (Idaho, New Mexico State). Though outliers like Georgia State and Georgia Southern, do exist, there is enough data to reasonably assume that if you want to win in the SBC, you better be prepared to pay the price. It is no guarantee Troy will do well, just an observation, and certainly a reason for optimism as Neal Brown goes looking for a DC worth his salt. Last four years on field performance in parentheses (). Arkansas State : 1,033,000 (Top two teams in the league, best salaries) Louisiana-Laff : 997,000 (Top two teams in the league, best salaries) Georgia State : 973,000 (Worst team in the league, mid to high level salary) South Alabama : 914,000 (Middle of pack on the field, middle of the pack salary) Troy : 900,000 (Middle of pack on the field, middle of the pack salary) Texas State : 779,000 (Middle of pack on the field, middle of the pack salary) Louisiana-Mon : 699,000 (Middle of pack on the field, middle of the pack salary) Idaho : 696,000 (Two of the worst teams in the league, worst salaries) New Mexico State : 688,000 (Two of the worst teams in the league, worst salaries) * No data available for GS or APP. Though GS and APP are assumed to have very low salaries. If GS and APP doesn't put more money in I can tell you what will happen. Troy the last 4 yrs. Great young talent gets what they deserve more money. The teaching ability - which in the end makes a good coach goes way down in staff. You have good men and knowledgeable men but their knowledge means nothing if they can't convey it effectively to who they are coaching. Then everything one gets frustrated. The highly paid assistant coaches are the ones who can get the area they are coaching to perform what is taught on Saturday. Sometimes not the most knowledgeable men in the area. Just effective.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 5, 2014 13:53:54 GMT -6
Money doesn't gurantee you a great coach, but it does help. Paying $200,000 a year to a coordinator who isn't the right fit is a waste. Let's get the right fit and pay accordingly to what they bring to the table.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Dec 5, 2014 14:41:24 GMT -6
To further the discussion here are those at The High Rollers Table: Alabama : 4,462,000 Clemson : 4,212,000 Oklahoma State : 2,884,000 Boise State : 2,436,000 Ole Miss : 2,429,000 Mississippi State : 2,167,000 ... (Medium Stakes Tables) ... (East Carolina 1,226,000; South Florida 1,615,000; Memphis 1,987,000; etc) Troy : 1,200,000 (2014) Troy : 900,000 (2013) sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant
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Post by trojanbrutha on Dec 5, 2014 17:58:19 GMT -6
That was never an excuse...it was the truth. Glad it's not the case now. The best team in the Sunbelt was Georgia Southern who's coaches salaries were at the bottom. Truth. It was used as an excuse at times. The truth is they're in a similar position that TROY has been in, but they were better prepared. As you may know...or not, but one year does not history make. One year does not mean they'll win it next year, and conversely, doesn't mean they won't. Funny thing about history...even funnier thing about the future...
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 5, 2014 18:15:31 GMT -6
All the salary increase means is that the Troy athletic department has made a commitment to the future of Troy football. It doesn't guarantee success, but it does make the candidate pool much larger than in previous years.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Dec 5, 2014 18:27:52 GMT -6
All the salary increase means is that the Troy athletic department has made a commitment to the future of Troy football. It doesn't guarantee success, but it does make the candidate pool much larger than in previous years. I think we will make a good hire in the DC position.
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Post by troystud on Dec 5, 2014 23:04:40 GMT -6
Yeah I agree....I think we will find someone who fits the bill and pay scale.
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Post by Redwaver on Dec 6, 2014 8:34:36 GMT -6
Yeah I agree....I think we will find someone who fits the bill and pay scale. As successful as Brown has been in the Spread or Air Raid, whichever you choose to call it, he would also have a terrific understanding of how to shut it down (if you can) so I expect him to hire that right guy and then offer input so I can see our defense being a lot better in the future IF we recruit well!
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 6, 2014 8:48:36 GMT -6
Yeah I agree....I think we will find someone who fits the bill and pay scale. As successful as Brown has been in the Spread or Air Raid, whichever you choose to call it, he would also have a terrific understanding of how to shut it down (if you can) so I expect him to hire that right guy and then offer input so I can see our defense being a lot better in the future IF we recruit well! I don't think you can shut down a spread offense completely,with comparable athletes, on a regular basis. Once Neal had his offense clicking, if we have a middle of the pack defense we will be very difficult to beat. Three to five more possessions offensively means the same defensively.
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Post by doc71 on Dec 6, 2014 10:06:23 GMT -6
As successful as Brown has been in the Spread or Air Raid, whichever you choose to call it, he would also have a terrific understanding of how to shut it down (if you can) so I expect him to hire that right guy and then offer input so I can see our defense being a lot better in the future IF we recruit well! I don't think you can shut down a spread offense completely,with comparable athletes, on a regular basis. Once Neal had his offense clicking, if we have a middle of the pack defense we will be very difficult to beat. Three to five more possessions offensively means the same defensively. If we want to win SBC championship ... we have to stop spread option too! (GSC, APP St ... ULL killed us with simple read option). I do like that Neal mentioned he wanted an "aggressive" defense. Best way to stop the option ... stopping it in the backfield!
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 6, 2014 10:23:19 GMT -6
I don't think you can shut down a spread offense completely,with comparable athletes, on a regular basis. Once Neal had his offense clicking, if we have a middle of the pack defense we will be very difficult to beat. Three to five more possessions offensively means the same defensively. If we want to win SBC championship ... we have to stop spread option too! (GSC, APP St ... ULL killed us with simple read option). I do like that Neal mentioned he wanted an "aggressive" defense. Best way to stop the option ... stopping it in the backfield! A disciplined defense will do that. A coach that requires discipline will make it happen.
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Post by Troystet on Dec 6, 2014 10:25:01 GMT -6
I don't think you can shut down a spread offense completely,with comparable athletes, on a regular basis. Once Neal had his offense clicking, if we have a middle of the pack defense we will be very difficult to beat. Three to five more possessions offensively means the same defensively. If we want to win SBC championship ... we have to stop spread option too! (GSC, APP St ... ULL killed us with simple read option). I do like that Neal mentioned he wanted an "aggressive" defense. Best way to stop the option ... stopping it in the backfield! Don't allow penetration. We heard that a lot with the wishbone
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Post by troystud on Dec 6, 2014 10:33:13 GMT -6
All I have to say at this point it will be interesting to see who he gets! Here is another question....What is Edenfield's roll going to be?
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Post by atlantatrojan on Dec 6, 2014 11:07:05 GMT -6
All I have to say at this point it will be interesting to see who he gets! Here is another question....What is Edenfield's roll going to be? Don't think he has said yet.
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