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Post by doc71 on Nov 10, 2014 20:47:21 GMT -6
Made a point to watch some of the young guys on defense ... there's some potential. (granted, GSU is weak) The LBs: #5 Lebbie is a beast! Know he was highly touted when he came in last year and then injury. Watching him Saturday, he moves really well! Physical! Also, covered well ... especially down the seam where we've been hurt so badly the last few years. #26 has a nose for the ball! Also, couple young DTs did well: #94 did well when in ... and is true Fresh. The new staff will have some good young players to work with I think! And, these are kids that will be around for a few years.
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Post by cornhole on Nov 10, 2014 23:09:59 GMT -6
Made a point to watch some of the young guys on defense ... there's some potential. (granted, GSU is weak) The LBs: #5 Lebbie is a beast! Know he was highly touted when he came in last year and then injury. Watching him Saturday, he moves really well! Physical! Also, covered well ... especially down the seam where we've been hurt so badly the last few years. #26 has a nose for the ball! Also, couple young DTs did well: #94 did well when in ... and is true Fresh. The new staff will have some good young players to work with I think! And, these are kids that will be around for a few years. LIKE! This post!!
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Post by Mr. Ho on Nov 15, 2014 12:21:43 GMT -6
Perfect timing for Brick Haley to step in and mold these guys.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 15, 2014 12:26:41 GMT -6
Haley hasn't been a D coordinator since 1996. He currently is listed as the asst. d line coach at LSU which is puzzling. Has never been Hc either which concerns me. I wish we woukd get a proven HC but we are hell bent on getting someone from the SEC...period.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Nov 15, 2014 12:31:24 GMT -6
Haley hasn't been a D coordinator since 1996. He currently is listed as the asst. d line coach at LSU which is puzzling. Has never been Hc either which concerns me. I wish we woukd get a proven HC but we are hell bent on getting someone from the SEC...period. Let's wait and see who we hire... Then u can B**** lol
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Post by Troystet on Nov 15, 2014 12:38:52 GMT -6
Two things are certain, we are either getting one of the following
1) fired SEC head coach 2) current SEC asst who has never been a coordinator or HC
It's going to be rolling the dice either way. 1) has proven they can't win at a big school. 2) hasn't proven they can win as a HC
It will make 2015 interesting for sure.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Nov 15, 2014 12:46:45 GMT -6
Two things are certain, we are either getting one of the following 1) fired SEC head coach 2) current SEC asst who has never been a coordinator or HC It's going to be rolling the dice either way. 1) has proven they can't win at a big school. 2) hasn't proven they can win as a HC It will make 2015 interesting for sure. It's not always the case where a fired coach can't make a good coach somewhere else.... Cutcliffe at Duke was let go after losing at Ole miss. He's about to win his division of the ACC for the 2nd straight year... It's all about the right fit.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 15, 2014 12:53:53 GMT -6
Haley hasn't been a D coordinator since 1996. He currently is listed as the asst. d line coach at LSU which is puzzling. Has never been Hc either which concerns me. I wish we woukd get a proven HC but we are hell bent on getting someone from the SEC...period. If you are a good coach and you are moving up in your career if everyone thinks hiring an assistant coach is wrong, how on earth do you ever become one. Now I know the answer is let the lower divisions hire them as HC's but we have to realuze that in the eyes of tons of coaches out there, we are not that far away from being in that group and after the last few years, other than on paper, we might be below them. Reality is we can't be as selective as FSU, Bama, etc., etc.. I'm with Hemi, JH is no fool. He knows what this hire means to his career. I like your passion but your positions puzzle me though. You don't want an SEC assistant hired for football but you really pushed hard hiring a high school guy for softball. Go figure?
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Post by Troystet on Nov 15, 2014 13:28:19 GMT -6
Haley hasn't been a D coordinator since 1996. He currently is listed as the asst. d line coach at LSU which is puzzling. Has never been Hc either which concerns me. I wish we woukd get a proven HC but we are hell bent on getting someone from the SEC...period. If you are a good coach and you are moving up in your career if everyone thinks hiring an assistant coach is wrong, how on earth do you ever become one. Now I know the answer is let the lower divisions hire them as HC's but we have to realuze that in the eyes of tons of coaches out there, we are not that far away from being in that group and after the last few years, other than on paper, we might be below them. Reality is we can't be as selective as FSU, Bama, etc., etc.. I'm with Hemi, JH is no fool. He knows what this hire means to his career. I like your passion but your positions puzzle me though. You don't want an SEC assistant hired for football but you really pushed hard hiring a high school guy for softball. Go figure? #1. Softball coach was coaching juco ball not HS. He had won a HS National Campionship and finished #2 in the country in Juco. #2 my position is we have to get this right which is why I like a proven winner from a lower division like Georgia Southern did, and CMU when they hired Brian Kelly from D2 and ULL did with Hudsbeth who had coached UNA. The SEC asst might make a great HC but we don't know. Hartwell does have his career on the line but he's not perfect and he's never hired a football HC before either. I hope he gets it right because we have to get it right. I would feel better if it was a coach who had at least been a coordinator but we will see.
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Post by Mr. Ho on Nov 15, 2014 13:43:44 GMT -6
Haley hasn't been a D coordinator since 1996. He currently is listed as the asst. d line coach at LSU which is puzzling. Has never been Hc either which concerns me. I wish we woukd get a proven HC but we are hell bent on getting someone from the SEC...period. What you talk about? He hasn't been Asst. anything since he was Grad Assistant at Arkansas. By default, candidates for TMTDM Head Coach is likely to have something $EC on resume. It not like we get Asst. from PAC12 or Mountain West that have high school connection in south. Brick would have immediate impact on high school recruit. Brick would be able to attract young assistant coaches - similar to LB during his first 15 years. Brick would be able to bring back original TMTDM Defense.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 15, 2014 13:47:21 GMT -6
Haley hasn't been a D coordinator since 1996. He currently is listed as the asst. d line coach at LSU which is puzzling. Has never been Hc either which concerns me. I wish we woukd get a proven HC but we are hell bent on getting someone from the SEC...period. What you talk about? He hasn't been Asst. anything since he was Grad Assistant at Arkansas. By default, candidates for TMTDM Head Coach is likely to have something $EC on resume. It not like we get Asst. from PAC12 or Mountain West that have high school connection in south. Brick would have immediate impact on high school recruit. Brick would be able to attract young assistant coaches - similar to LB during his first 15 years. Brick would be able to bring back original TMTDM Defense. How do you know he brings back TMTDM?? I'm all for it but he's not a D coordinator. Big difference in DL coach and D coordinator. Recruiting we need, I 100% agree, but Zook and Muschamp can recruit, just neither one is cut out to be a HC. Looked up Brick on Wikepedia, that had him listed as Asst. d line coach. It was puzzling.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 15, 2014 13:54:54 GMT -6
If you are a good coach and you are moving up in your career if everyone thinks hiring an assistant coach is wrong, how on earth do you ever become one. Now I know the answer is let the lower divisions hire them as HC's but we have to realuze that in the eyes of tons of coaches out there, we are not that far away from being in that group and after the last few years, other than on paper, we might be below them. Reality is we can't be as selective as FSU, Bama, etc., etc.. I'm with Hemi, JH is no fool. He knows what this hire means to his career. I like your passion but your positions puzzle me though. You don't want an SEC assistant hired for football but you really pushed hard hiring a high school guy for softball. Go figure? #1. Softball coach was coaching juco ball not HS. He had won a HS National Campionship and finished #2 in the country in Juco. #2 my position is we have to get this right which is why I like a proven winner from a lower division like Georgia Southern did, and CMU when they hired Brian Kelly from D2 and ULL did with Hudsbeth who had coached UNA. The SEC asst might make a great HC but we don't know. Hartwell does have his career on the line but he's not perfect and he's never hired a football HC before either. I hope he gets it right because we have to get it right. I would feel better if it was a coach who had at least been a coordinator but we will see. [ You right, he's never hired ahead football coach before.......but neither have any of us that I'm aware of!!! You want Campbell and I would be good with that IF JH thinks he is best for Troy. A lot of folks don't think he is. You hear the same about Turk. It doesn't matter who we hire some will will support it and think JH did a great job, some will think it stunk. Also no matter who we hire, if we don't win a bunch next year some eill call him names and want his head.....unless he was their guy. JH has hired other head coaches before but NONE OF US HAVE so my itch is some who have never made an athletic hire in their lives seem to have no confidence in a man who has and who's job it is. That's as unrealistic as expecting a complete turnaround in a down sport in a single season or start with that you hired the wrong guy syndrome. I would be very satisfied if we hired a very successful Dll coach but that doesn't mean that there are not some good SEC assistants out there as well. Malzan comes to mind for ASU a few years back. No matter who we hire, we will be just a quick stop if the guy is successful. We will never find another LB. The stars lined up 25 years ago.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 15, 2014 14:33:46 GMT -6
#1. Softball coach was coaching juco ball not HS. He had won a HS National Campionship and finished #2 in the country in Juco. #2 my position is we have to get this right which is why I like a proven winner from a lower division like Georgia Southern did, and CMU when they hired Brian Kelly from D2 and ULL did with Hudsbeth who had coached UNA. The SEC asst might make a great HC but we don't know. Hartwell does have his career on the line but he's not perfect and he's never hired a football HC before either. I hope he gets it right because we have to get it right. I would feel better if it was a coach who had at least been a coordinator but we will see. [ You right, he's never hired ahead football coach before.......but neither have any of us that I'm aware of!!! You want Campbell and I would be good with that IF JH thinks he is best for Troy. A lot of folks don't think he is. You hear the same about Turk. It doesn't matter who we hire some will will support it and think JH did a great job, some will think it stunk. Also no matter who we hire, if we don't win a bunch next year some eill call him names and want his head.....unless he was their guy. JH has hired other head coaches before but NONE OF US HAVE so my itch is some who have never made an athletic hire in their lives seem to have no confidence in a man who has and who's job it is. That's as unrealistic as expecting a complete turnaround in a down sport in a single season or start with that you hired the wrong guy syndrome. I would be very satisfied if we hired a very successful Dll coach but that doesn't mean that there are not some good SEC assistants out there as well. Malzan comes to mind for ASU a few years back. No matter who we hire, we will be just a quick stop if the guy is successful. We will never find another LB. The stars lined up 25 years ago. Malzahn was a very succesful HS head coach and won a Nat Championship as offensive coordinator at Auburn. Big difference in being a coordinator than a position coach. If we are going to hire a asst. I woukd feel better if they were a coordinator than a RB or DL coach. At least they have been in pressure scenarios of calling plays and calling defenses. But, I hope for the best because if they don't get this right, Troy doesn't recover.
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Post by Mr. Ho on Nov 15, 2014 14:39:30 GMT -6
Not kid yourself, Jimmy Hartwell hire whoever help Jimmy Hartwell when he apply for next job. This have nothing to do with winning and losing. Mr. Ho write about this later, but he need to nap.
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 15, 2014 15:18:04 GMT -6
[ You right, he's never hired ahead football coach before.......but neither have any of us that I'm aware of!!! You want Campbell and I would be good with that IF JH thinks he is best for Troy. A lot of folks don't think he is. You hear the same about Turk. It doesn't matter who we hire some will will support it and think JH did a great job, some will think it stunk. Also no matter who we hire, if we don't win a bunch next year some eill call him names and want his head.....unless he was their guy. JH has hired other head coaches before but NONE OF US HAVE so my itch is some who have never made an athletic hire in their lives seem to have no confidence in a man who has and who's job it is. That's as unrealistic as expecting a complete turnaround in a down sport in a single season or start with that you hired the wrong guy syndrome. I would be very satisfied if we hired a very successful Dll coach but that doesn't mean that there are not some good SEC assistants out there as well. Malzan comes to mind for ASU a few years back. No matter who we hire, we will be just a quick stop if the guy is successful. We will never find another LB. The stars lined up 25 years ago. Malzahn was a very succesful HS head coach and won a Nat Championship as offensive coordinator at Auburn. Big difference in being a coordinator than a position coach. If we are going to hire a asst. I woukd feel better if they were a coordinator than a RB or DL coach. At least they have been in pressure scenarios of calling plays and calling defenses. But, I hope for the best because if they don't get this right, Troy doesn't recover. Stop being so fatalistic!!!! "If we don't get this right Troy will NEVER recover"! Really? You believe that? Holy cow, this is not Armageddon for pete sake! In your opinion, was KE a better coach than Schlarman was? Schlarman was a position coach and KE was OC. Yes, we need to turn this train around! Yes, this hire is a biggie! There are position coaches out there right now that will be coordinators somewhere next year. You're saying they are not as good today as they will be when that title changes? Well darn, why promote them then? Just hire another Coordinator.....but then that means he would have to have been fired and you can't do that either. The BEST GUY can be anywhere!!! What we pay, who we are, where we are limited us. That coach does not have to be a Troy guy but if he is and he wins big....he's gone too. It's not like Sabin is calling JH to get on the list. What if Muschamp is fired at Fla but is hired at another major schools and wins their conference. Is he good or bad? What about the Duke Coach? He would not have been at the top of many schools search committee's list. Just sayin' give JH the benefit of the doubt. He's not oblivious to our situation I don't think! He spends all day every day dealing with it so I think he has the edge on this boards "coaches in waiting" BUT speculating IS fun and heck, I have a favorite as well. If that guy (the one hired) is a Dll head coach and "a winner" I'll support him until I have good reasons not to. Can't imahine us ever hiring a "loser'! JMHO
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Post by Troystet on Nov 15, 2014 16:27:44 GMT -6
Hope your right. We find out in 2015. Hey, I want us winning. My daughter has two Years left and I want her to experience a bowl game with the band before she leaves. Hoping for the best and that we hit it out of the park. Fair enough? Go Troy
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Post by Redwaver on Nov 15, 2014 17:51:56 GMT -6
Hope your right. We find out in 2015. Hey, I want us winning. My daughter has two Years left and I want her to experience a bowl game with the band before she leaves. Hoping for the best and that we hit it out of the park. Fair enough? Go Troy Now there you are! I agree 100%! Let's hope we hit a home run. To me there are s lot of factors needed but the ability to recruit is at the top. Then the ability to get everything those recruits have. That includes skills techniques, commitments and discipline. I think what happens at the assistant level could be as important as the head guy and we have no idea what's happening yhere.
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