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Post by Possum on Sept 9, 2014 18:57:12 GMT -6
Listened in and called in...
Coach was really harping on facilities tonight.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 9, 2014 18:59:27 GMT -6
Some posters like to make light of the situation and it boggles my mind...
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 9, 2014 19:39:56 GMT -6
I have not seen any posters say we don't need the facilities. All say we need them very badly !
Some posters don't buy we should use them as excuses to be out coached and unprepared.
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Post by Mr. Ho on Sept 9, 2014 20:28:20 GMT -6
Old Southern Miss has a gigantic endzone facility and are 2-24 since they opened it. Now, we sound like whiny babies because we play in a dump. Why stop at what everyone else is doing? Why not just build a new stadium?
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Post by atlantatrojan on Sept 9, 2014 20:30:24 GMT -6
We just need a fresh new direction.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Sept 9, 2014 20:46:15 GMT -6
ULM facilities are no better than ours at best but they are winning these days. And AND paying their coach about 200k less than Blakeney
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 9, 2014 21:35:58 GMT -6
I have not seen any posters say we don't need the facilities. All say we need them very badly ! Some posters don't buy we should use them as excuses to be out coached and unprepared. It's not an excuse, as you say. Ga Sou broke ground when they were accepted. ULM, ULL, Ark St, NM St just put in new turf...Why do you really think they hustled to get the video boards and ribbon boards completed? Bling for recruiting. It's going to take a lot more than dismissive jabs on a message board to keep from falling farther behind than we already are and I'm pretty sure what was done before the 1st home game ain't going to be enough.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Sept 9, 2014 21:48:00 GMT -6
I have not seen any posters say we don't need the facilities. All say we need them very badly ! Some posters don't buy we should use them as excuses to be out coached and unprepared. It's not an excuse, as you say. Ga Sou broke ground when they were accepted. ULM, ULL, Ark St, NM St just put in new turf...Why do you really think they hustled to get the video boards and ribbon boards completed? Bling for recruiting. It's going to take a lot more than dismissive jabs on a message board to keep from falling farther behind than we already are and I'm pretty sure what was done before the 1st home game ain't going to be enough. I wouldn't say turf is why we are falling behind lol. But facilities yes. ULMs facilities are no better than ours. Their field house isn't good. But they seems to be on a good track so far.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 9, 2014 22:02:22 GMT -6
It's not an excuse, as you say. Ga Sou broke ground when they were accepted. ULM, ULL, Ark St, NM St just put in new turf...Why do you really think they hustled to get the video boards and ribbon boards completed? Bling for recruiting. It's going to take a lot more than dismissive jabs on a message board to keep from falling farther behind than we already are and I'm pretty sure what was done before the 1st home game ain't going to be enough. I wouldn't say turf is why we are falling behind lol. But facilities yes. ULMs facilities are no better than ours. Their field house isn't good. But they seems to be on a good track so far. They aren't in need of facilities at NM St, but they just added new turf. My point has eluded you, so I point it out for you: the ones that are beating us will continue to do so as long as they have what we don't. Facilities cost money...new coaches cost money. How much of that are you going to get on a "we do more with less" budget? Read trojanchad01's sig...it says a lot.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Sept 9, 2014 22:05:11 GMT -6
What does ULM have we don't?
ULMs budget is almost half of what ours is. Yet they whup our butts almost every year and have had a bowl season recently and are on track to do so this year at 2-0 with a win over a ACC school
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 9, 2014 22:10:26 GMT -6
What does ULM have we don't? ULMs budget is almost half of what ours is. Yet they whup our butts almost every year and have had a bowl season recently and are on track to do so this year at 2-0 with a win over a ACC school They are breaking ground soon...we are not.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Sept 9, 2014 22:12:59 GMT -6
Yet they havnt broken ground yet and their budget is STILL half of what our budget is... Why is that?
They were winning even before they announced a new expansion project as well... Why is that?
Have u been to Monroe? It's not exactly the best place to live.... If you value your life.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 9, 2014 22:13:52 GMT -6
What you're missing is that they are getting their own money up for this. If we have to fund something, we're gonna need hemi, chad, and the SWFL chapter to raise us the money...unless they get some help from the ones not sitting around waiting on the return before the investment...
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Post by atlantatrojan on Sept 9, 2014 22:16:27 GMT -6
What you're missing is that they are getting their own money up for this. If we have to fund something, we're gonna need hemi, chad, and the SWFL chapter to raise us the money...unless they get some help from the ones not sitting around waiting on the return before the investment... Yes, but your also missing the point of they were winning before these people started giving or announcing facilities upgrade. They did it with probably THE worst facilities and lowest paid coach in the SBC. Btw their new facility is only 10,000 sq feet. Hardly the impressive upgrade. I'm not saying facilities don't make a impact. But they are not everything.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 9, 2014 22:56:48 GMT -6
What you're missing is that they are getting their own money up for this. If we have to fund something, we're gonna need hemi, chad, and the SWFL chapter to raise us the money...unless they get some help from the ones not sitting around waiting on the return before the investment... Yes, but your also missing the point of they were winning before these people started giving or announcing facilities upgrade. They did it with probably THE worst facilities and lowest paid coach in the SBC. Btw their new facility is only 10,000 sq feet. Hardly the impressive upgrade. I'm not saying facilities don't make a impact. But they are not everything. But, they have raised more of what they needed than we have...with your worse that everybody else point. At this point, it's more than Troy has because it's a done deal.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 10, 2014 1:29:41 GMT -6
Point that you are missing: Troy is 0-2 NOT due to facilities.
Coach stated were totally unprepared at UAB. And we'll Duke game was riddled with poor coaching decisions that adversely affected the outcome of the game.
Troy is mired in three four year slump NOT due to facilities. We have had the talent to win.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 10, 2014 5:14:26 GMT -6
Didn't we put new turf in to? The great news is if we get the end zone facility built, all we will need is Marge The Realator for our recruiting coordinator.. She can just give them the tour and they will line up to sign. Facilities are great but unless you make efforts to actually recruit and get your tails to where the talent is, the Taj Majal will make no difference. I had a gentleman come up to me when he saw my T-Club badge and he started talking to me. He lives in Prattville and has a friend coaching in Birmingham. He started in about how Troy doesn't recruit Prattville and his friend says they don't see Troy up in Bham? It shocked me and then he brought up Florida. I guess if we don't put effort into the hotbeds in Alabama we sure won't in Florida or the Georgia hotbeds.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 10, 2014 7:13:07 GMT -6
Didn't we put new turf in to? The great news is if we get the end zone facility built, all we will need is Marge The Realator for our recruiting coordinator.. She can just give them the tour and they will line up to sign. Facilities are great but unless you make efforts to actually recruit and get your tails to where the talent is, the Taj Majal will make no difference. I had a gentleman come up to me when he saw my T-Club badge and he started talking to me. He lives in Prattville and has a friend coaching in Birmingham. He started in about how Troy doesn't recruit Prattville and his friend says they don't see Troy up in Bham? It shocked me and then he brought up Florida. I guess if we don't put effort into the hotbeds in Alabama we sure won't in Florida or the Georgia hotbeds. So, getting players from Hoover, Oak Mountain, Hueytown, skip B'ham, then Florence, Huntsville? It could happen...
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Post by Troystet on Sept 10, 2014 7:19:58 GMT -6
Didn't we put new turf in to? The great news is if we get the end zone facility built, all we will need is Marge The Realator for our recruiting coordinator.. She can just give them the tour and they will line up to sign. Facilities are great but unless you make efforts to actually recruit and get your tails to where the talent is, the Taj Majal will make no difference. I had a gentleman come up to me when he saw my T-Club badge and he started talking to me. He lives in Prattville and has a friend coaching in Birmingham. He started in about how Troy doesn't recruit Prattville and his friend says they don't see Troy up in Bham? It shocked me and then he brought up Florida. I guess if we don't put effort into the hotbeds in Alabama we sure won't in Florida or the Georgia hotbeds. So, getting players from Hoover, Oak Mountain, Hueytown, skip B'ham, then Florence, Huntsville? It could happen... Our players from Florence are a UNA transfer and a Juco signee, Huntsville is a senior, team leader and all conference....seems like we might want to go back there. You get out of recruiting what you put into it. With all the negatives we hear about the town of Troy, no field house etc., we have to work harder than our competion. Ask some players from 1984-87 about Coach Mac. You will hear why many of us turned down other schools with better facilities, it was because Coach Mac was relentless and he sold you on Troy, made you feel wanted, made you want to be apart of Troy. Brian Turner did that, now he's doing it for USA. That's the type we need now desperately.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 10, 2014 7:36:10 GMT -6
So, getting players from Hoover, Oak Mountain, Hueytown, skip B'ham, then Florence, Huntsville? It could happen... Our players from Florence are a UNA transfer and a Juco signee, Huntsville is a senior, team leader and all conference....seems like we might want to go back there. You get out of recruiting what you put into it. With all the negatives we hear about the town of Troy, no field house etc., we have to work harder than our competion. Ask some players from 1984-87 about Coach Mac. You will hear why many of us turned down other schools with better facilities, it was because Coach Mac was relentless and he sold you on Troy, made you feel wanted, made you want to be apart of Troy. Brian Turner did that, now he's doing it for USA. That's the type we need now desperately. Chris Hawkins, Sr; Tommy Blevins, Jr; Tre Jon Burris, R-Fr...
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Post by troyalumni2003 on Sept 10, 2014 7:40:05 GMT -6
Didn't we put new turf in to? The great news is if we get the end zone facility built, all we will need is Marge The Realator for our recruiting coordinator.. She can just give them the tour and they will line up to sign. Facilities are great but unless you make efforts to actually recruit and get your tails to where the talent is, the Taj Majal will make no difference. I had a gentleman come up to me when he saw my T-Club badge and he started talking to me. He lives in Prattville and has a friend coaching in Birmingham. He started in about how Troy doesn't recruit Prattville and his friend says they don't see Troy up in Bham? It shocked me and then he brought up Florida. I guess if we don't put effort into the hotbeds in Alabama we sure won't in Florida or the Georgia hotbeds. So, getting players from Hoover, Oak Mountain, Hueytown, skip B'ham, then Florence, Huntsville? It could happen... I have heard coach use different excuses this year and last year, after Duke game he brought up talent. I disagree in that we have some talent on this team. Combination of coaching, play calling and size is what I see. Living in Birmingham the last few years, the teams you listed above, what I can say is this, if we recruit from those schools and add a few more from Birmingham, one thing they know how to do is WIN. Winning is contagious. Take some talent, good coaching, right plays and pattern of winning and success will usually follow. I stated earlier in the week, take our starting line up, how many had winning records in high school or Juco. Not saying they should not be starting, but its a mind set to be changed. Not settling for playing but achieving to win. They may not cost you a game, but sometimes will not do what it takes to win the close ones. Just my thought. When I hire people I look at total package, but winners is main thing.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 10, 2014 7:43:30 GMT -6
I wish we wouldn't say lack of talent in post game. What does that say to our current players? You aren't good enough but go out there and win. If our talent isn't good enough, guess what coach....you recruited them.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 10, 2014 7:45:00 GMT -6
ULM facilities are no better than ours at best but they are winning these days. And AND paying their coach about 200k less than Blakeney ULM's last winning season before 2012 was 1993. Not exactly tearing it up. Do they have our number for some odd reason? Yes. They doesn't mean they are getting it done. They are moving dirt on a facility after an identical record to us last year. I think I'll have a beer.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 10, 2014 7:45:22 GMT -6
So, getting players from Hoover, Oak Mountain, Hueytown, skip B'ham, then Florence, Huntsville? It could happen... I have heard coach use different excuses this year and last year, after Duke game he brought up talent. I disagree in that we have some talent on this team. Combination of coaching, play calling and size is what I see. Living in Birmingham the last few years, the teams you listed above, what I can say is this, if we recruit from those schools and add a few more from Birmingham, one thing they know how to do is WIN. Winning is contagious. Take some talent, good coaching, right plays and pattern of winning and success will usually follow. I stated earlier in the week, take our starting line up, how many had winning records in high school or Juco. Not saying they should not be starting, but its a mind set to be changed. Not settling for playing but achieving to win. They may not cost you a game, but sometimes will not do what it takes to win the close ones. Just my thought. When I hire people I look at total package, but winners is main thing. BravoSmiley 04-clap2
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Post by trojanbrutha on Sept 10, 2014 7:54:26 GMT -6
So, getting players from Hoover, Oak Mountain, Hueytown, skip B'ham, then Florence, Huntsville? It could happen... I have heard coach use different excuses this year and last year, after Duke game he brought up talent. I disagree in that we have some talent on this team. Combination of coaching, play calling and size is what I see. Living in Birmingham the last few years, the teams you listed above, what I can say is this, if we recruit from those schools and add a few more from Birmingham, one thing they know how to do is WIN. Winning is contagious. Take some talent, good coaching, right plays and pattern of winning and success will usually follow. I stated earlier in the week, take our starting line up, how many had winning records in high school or Juco. Not saying they should not be starting, but its a mind set to be changed. Not settling for playing but achieving to win. They may not cost you a game, but sometimes will not do what it takes to win the close ones. Just my thought. When I hire people I look at total package, but winners is main thing. TROY has talent, but that talent has to go to class, learn the playbook, and do their part. In his interview, Khary Franklin said he wasn't doing his film study...CR said that too, when he was in school. Brandon Burks has said the same thing before the season. The old adage of leading a horse to water. There's some fault that can be placed at the coaches feet, but not all of it...the onus is on the players to get it done. Is all of that on the coaches? If you were given an assignment to complete for a class and you didn't do it, is it the instructor's fault you got an F? Accountability is a big thing for all of us.
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