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Post by Troy_Fan_15 on Dec 12, 2023 11:02:21 GMT -6
I don't know. Fritz is being seen as public enemy #1 now for how he has handled his Tulane departure. Not sure if Sumrall would want to replicate that. He might offer JC/GG coaching spots but I don't think he'll gut our roster or go out and convince all the recruits to flip. He will or at least try. I know some don't feel this way but I do believe JS has good character and I don't believe he wants his success at Tulane be at the cost of the total collapse of Troy
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Post by Troy_Fan_15 on Dec 12, 2023 11:17:34 GMT -6
I think asking how we kept Blakeney so long is the wrong question and the better is how can Troy improve itself to hold on to coaches like NB or JS an extra season or two (even though the answer is obvious: raise coaching salaries across the board. This brings up its own questions and thoughts though.) NB probably ends up at a better P5 than WV if he stays an extra year and wins 10-11 games again. JS was going to have his pick of jobs next year had we had another 11-12 win season.
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 12, 2023 11:24:56 GMT -6
I think asking how we kept Blakeney so long is the wrong question and the better is how can Troy improve itself to hold on to coaches like NB or JS an extra season or two (even though the answer is obvious: raise coaching salaries across the board. This brings up its own questions and thoughts though.) NB probably ends up at a better P5 than WV if he stays an extra year and wins 10-11 games again. JS was going to have his pick of jobs next year had we had another 11-12 win season. That question is best answered if you can catch someone at the vacant house on Troy’s campus.
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Post by trojanocean on Dec 12, 2023 11:26:32 GMT -6
I'm fine if we don't get someone who stays forever. I just want to get someone who is not gonna lie. Sorry, I'm full-on flipped here. I'm not going to accept the term "coach speak" anymore but I'm calling it what it is for this instance and all others. If you can't say the truth aloud then you have a choice: keep silent or do the truth honor by not giving innuendo and falsifying the realities. Probably best to keep silent in all matters like this. In this instance, coach speak = lying. Saying "We love Troy" and "we're not going anywhere" (paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact quotes) and then doing the opposite of that...well, you can dance between the raindrops and paint it up and smell it up however you like but at the end of the day it is a cut-and-dried lie. It was an unrespectable exit. So get someone who will stay for as long as they say they will and be honest and up front when the chips begin to fall, no matter what the cost may be. I can respect that. This other...it makes me lose all respect regardless of what happened on the field.
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Post by joshboutwell on Dec 12, 2023 12:09:47 GMT -6
Evan McCissick is coaching the OL for the bowl game. I don't know what the deal with Bernardi is except that it has nothing to do with Sumrall and he has been "gone" from the team since after the SBC Title Game.
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Post by trojanocean on Dec 12, 2023 12:26:29 GMT -6
Evan McCissick is coaching the OL for the bowl game. I don't know what the deal with Bernardi is except that it has nothing to do with Sumrall and he has been "gone" from the team since after the SBC Title Game. That's odd. And also odd that nobody here has noticed that or mentioned it until now. I wonder what that's all about.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 12, 2023 12:29:10 GMT -6
Evan McCissick is coaching the OL for the bowl game. I don't know what the deal with Bernardi is except that it has nothing to do with Sumrall and he has been "gone" from the team since after the SBC Title Game. That's odd. And also odd that nobody here has noticed that or mentioned it until now. I wonder what that's all about. Strange times in Troy Football.
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Post by pcbtrojan on Dec 12, 2023 12:37:10 GMT -6
As to coaches that left to Houston w/Fritz OC, DC, WR, & off analyst. So sounds like those coaching spots may be poached after the bowl game.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 12, 2023 12:46:09 GMT -6
As to coaches that left to Houston w/Fritz OC, DC, WR, & off analyst. So sounds like those coaching spots may be poached after the bowl game. And, risking the obvious, JS may not want to keep those who did NOT go with Fritz.
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 12, 2023 12:55:01 GMT -6
Evan McCissick is coaching the OL for the bowl game. I don't know what the deal with Bernardi is except that it has nothing to do with Sumrall and he has been "gone" from the team since after the SBC Title Game. Evan is a key figure in recruiting as well.
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Post by crawlspace13 on Dec 12, 2023 12:55:08 GMT -6
As to coaches that left to Houston w/Fritz OC, DC, WR, & off analyst. So sounds like those coaching spots may be poached after the bowl game. I would expect it. They're the coaching team that makes Sumerall successful. It's pretty standard to keep staff together in a move if they get along and no one is getting a promotion to HC. Also no guarantee the new guy would keep them or that they'd mesh well. Take the bigger paycheck and proven successful formula with a guaranteed job.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 12, 2023 19:20:03 GMT -6
I'm fine if we don't get someone who stays forever. I just want to get someone who is not gonna lie. Sorry, I'm full-on flipped here. I'm not going to accept the term "coach speak" anymore but I'm calling it what it is for this instance and all others. If you can't say the truth aloud then you have a choice: keep silent or do the truth honor by not giving innuendo and falsifying the realities. Probably best to keep silent in all matters like this. In this instance, coach speak = lying. Saying "We love Troy" and "we're not going anywhere" (paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact quotes) and then doing the opposite of that...well, you can dance between the raindrops and paint it up and smell it up however you like but at the end of the day it is a cut-and-dried lie. It was an unrespectable exit. So get someone who will stay for as long as they say they will and be honest and up front when the chips begin to fall, no matter what the cost may be. I can respect that. This other...it makes me lose all respect regardless of what happened on the field. Certainly feel what you are saying, but how would the AD, in any capacity know if the coach was being 100% honest ? No way on God’s green earth he can know that before hiring a coach. Or during his employment. Only way you will know whether or not the coach is not lying, it will be way too late. Treat coaches as hired guns, mercenaries, that’s what they are. They are hired and paid to do a job, judge them on those results, period.
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 12, 2023 19:33:57 GMT -6
I'm fine if we don't get someone who stays forever. I just want to get someone who is not gonna lie. Sorry, I'm full-on flipped here. I'm not going to accept the term "coach speak" anymore but I'm calling it what it is for this instance and all others. If you can't say the truth aloud then you have a choice: keep silent or do the truth honor by not giving innuendo and falsifying the realities. Probably best to keep silent in all matters like this. In this instance, coach speak = lying. Saying "We love Troy" and "we're not going anywhere" (paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact quotes) and then doing the opposite of that...well, you can dance between the raindrops and paint it up and smell it up however you like but at the end of the day it is a cut-and-dried lie. It was an unrespectable exit. So get someone who will stay for as long as they say they will and be honest and up front when the chips begin to fall, no matter what the cost may be. I can respect that. This other...it makes me lose all respect regardless of what happened on the field. Certainly feel what you are saying, but how would the AD, in any capacity know if the coach was being 100% honest ? No way on God’s green earth he can know that before hiring a coach. Or during his employment. Only way you will know whether or not the coach is not lying, it will be way too late. Treat coaches as hired guns, mercenaries, that’s what they are. They are hired and paid to do a job, judge them on those results, period. Spot on post. Jon did what he was hired to do at Troy.
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Post by trojanocean on Dec 12, 2023 20:13:01 GMT -6
I'm fine if we don't get someone who stays forever. I just want to get someone who is not gonna lie. Sorry, I'm full-on flipped here. I'm not going to accept the term "coach speak" anymore but I'm calling it what it is for this instance and all others. If you can't say the truth aloud then you have a choice: keep silent or do the truth honor by not giving innuendo and falsifying the realities. Probably best to keep silent in all matters like this. In this instance, coach speak = lying. Saying "We love Troy" and "we're not going anywhere" (paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact quotes) and then doing the opposite of that...well, you can dance between the raindrops and paint it up and smell it up however you like but at the end of the day it is a cut-and-dried lie. It was an unrespectable exit. So get someone who will stay for as long as they say they will and be honest and up front when the chips begin to fall, no matter what the cost may be. I can respect that. This other...it makes me lose all respect regardless of what happened on the field. Certainly feel what you are saying, but how would the AD, in any capacity know if the coach was being 100% honest ? No way on God’s green earth he can know that before hiring a coach. Or during his employment. Only way you will know whether or not the coach is not lying, it will be way too late. Treat coaches as hired guns, mercenaries, that’s what they are. They are hired and paid to do a job, judge them on those results, period. I'm not speaking of the AD and the coach. I'm speaking of the coach and the fans.. and what's spoken to them and the public.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 12, 2023 20:29:13 GMT -6
Certainly feel what you are saying, but how would the AD, in any capacity know if the coach was being 100% honest ? No way on God’s green earth he can know that before hiring a coach. Or during his employment. Only way you will know whether or not the coach is not lying, it will be way too late. Treat coaches as hired guns, mercenaries, that’s what they are. They are hired and paid to do a job, judge them on those results, period. I'm not speaking of the AD and the coach. I'm speaking of the coach and the fans.. and what's spoken to them and the public. Do you honestly expect Sumrall to announce to the fans, before it happens: “hey if I get an offer for 3.5x higher than my current salary, in a city I like, at a school I enjoyed coaching at, with better facilities, with a recent record of winning at a high level, I’m going to take it”. This wouldn’t happen at any job in America, don’t expect it in college coaching l. Sumrall can care for the Troy program and players and want to advance his career at the same time. Both can be true. Again, don’t get attached to these coaches. They are hired to do a job.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 12, 2023 20:49:52 GMT -6
Many of us have had multiple people in our Lives for just a season ( and we are not talking football season) . Some are a year or two or longer and some are shorter. There can be impact in even the shortest of them. In that respect Jon was here for a season of setting right a proud program with a good history. Both of us, we as Troy and he as a coach, can move on with good memories and a benefit to both.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Dec 12, 2023 21:41:58 GMT -6
I am now convinced we need to get Neal back. It’s making sense. Can yall see it? “The Return - LSU aint Sh!t” The story of a coaches return to glory and his CFB playoff run.
I am just terrified of another Chippy and grasping at straws.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 12, 2023 21:47:08 GMT -6
I am now convinced we need to get Neal back. It’s making sense. Can yall see it? “The Return - LSU aint Sh!t” The story of a coaches return to glory and his CFB playoff run. I am just terrified of another Chippy and grasping at straws. Dude, I was kidding. The 10 million for the IPF wouldn't even cover his buyout.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 12, 2023 21:53:11 GMT -6
I'm not speaking of the AD and the coach. I'm speaking of the coach and the fans.. and what's spoken to them and the public. Do you honestly expect Sumrall to announce to the fans, before it happens: “hey if I get an offer for 3.5x higher than my current salary, in a city I like, at a school I enjoyed coaching at, with better facilities, with a recent record of winning at a high level, I’m going to take it”. This wouldn’t happen at any job in America, don’t expect it in college coaching l. Sumrall can care for the Troy program and players and want to advance his career at the same time. Both can be true. Again, don’t get attached to these coaches. They are hired to do a job. This is a hard lesson, but it's one I think we all learned here. I don't know JS, but I became, I don't know, mesmerized, maybe enthralled by what he accomplished at TROY. I will enjoy our success when it comes, but I will think of future coaches like I think of MLB players who have attained free agent status. They are likely to be gone when the occasion arises and there will be someone to replace them, perhaps someone who does an even better job. Mercenary is such a harsh word especially when used to describe a football coach, but, as we've seen, It's an appropriate one.
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Post by trojanocean on Dec 13, 2023 3:09:01 GMT -6
I'm not speaking of the AD and the coach. I'm speaking of the coach and the fans.. and what's spoken to them and the public. Do you honestly expect Sumrall to announce to the fans, before it happens: “hey if I get an offer for 3.5x higher than my current salary, in a city I like, at a school I enjoyed coaching at, with better facilities, with a recent record of winning at a high level, I’m going to take it”. This wouldn’t happen at any job in America, don’t expect it in college coaching l. Sumrall can care for the Troy program and players and want to advance his career at the same time. Both can be true. Again, don’t get attached to these coaches. They are hired to do a job. I don't know if I've miscommunicated or not because I'm having to watch this board from my phone rather than a computer screen and it's harder to see and recall all of the context of everything and I can't go back and reread without losing what I may have typed already. So I'll just say this... I don't think and didn't say a coach should announce something to the fans. What I did say, or mean to communicate, is that a coach shouldn't lead on the fans, institution, the student athletes, and student body with statements affirming they are staying put and that there's no need to worry, only to completely flip 180° days later. Instead, if there's a possibility to move, don't lead anyone on - just either stay quiet about it to the press or deflect without spinning it. "I'm not getting into that stuff at this time. Next question." Or something a bit more soft but that says the same thing. But saying you and your family love it here and " Yeah, Troy asked if I was showing up for work so I was here at 5AM" and the like, that leads organizations and people to put stock in what's being said. It makes a person seem duplicitous. I had all the respect in the world for Sumrall. He shattered that with his exit because of how it played out. I knew he would leave. I knew it could be this year! But then it appeared there was no smart place for him to go. Add his "coach speak" and things feel pretty solid. I'm no longer personally going to accept "coach speak" or whatever bull crap it is labeled as, for something such as this. It's called lying. I feel lied to. Many of us do. Some are coming around. Perhaps one day I might. But it isn't this day. Finally, I'll say this: feel free to "you do you". I'm not trying to convince you or anybody else to think how I do. I'm stating my perspective and from my POV and simply responding to defend it if challenged but I'm not trying to convert anyone. Why are you?
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Post by psychotrojan07 on Dec 13, 2023 6:02:33 GMT -6
Do you honestly expect Sumrall to announce to the fans, before it happens: “hey if I get an offer for 3.5x higher than my current salary, in a city I like, at a school I enjoyed coaching at, with better facilities, with a recent record of winning at a high level, I’m going to take it”. This wouldn’t happen at any job in America, don’t expect it in college coaching l. Sumrall can care for the Troy program and players and want to advance his career at the same time. Both can be true. Again, don’t get attached to these coaches. They are hired to do a job. I don't know if I've miscommunicated or not because I'm having to watch this board from my phone rather than a computer screen and it's harder to see and recall all of the context of everything and I can't go back and reread without losing what I may have typed already. So I'll just say this... I don't think and didn't say a coach should announce something to the fans. What I did say, or mean to communicate, is that a coach shouldn't lead on the fans, institution, the student athletes, and student body with statements affirming they are staying put and that there's no need to worry, only to completely flip 180° days later. Instead, if there's a possibility to move, don't lead anyone on - just either stay quiet about it to the press or deflect without spinning it. "I'm not getting into that stuff at this time. Next question." Or something a bit more soft but that says the same thing. But saying you and your family love it here and " Yeah, Troy asked if I was showing up for work so I was here at 5AM" and the like, that leads organizations and people to put stock in what's being said. It makes a person seem duplicitous. I had all the respect in the world for Sumrall. He shattered that with his exit because of how it played out. I knew he would leave. I knew it could be this year! But then it appeared there was no smart place for him to go. Add his "coach speak" and things feel pretty solid. I'm no longer personally going to accept "coach speak" or whatever bull crap it is labeled as, for something such as this. It's called lying. I feel lied to. Many of us do. Some are coming around. Perhaps one day I might. But it isn't this day. Finally, I'll say this: feel free to "you do you". I'm not trying to convince you or anybody else to think how I do. I'm stating my perspective and from my POV and simply responding to defend it if challenged but I'm not trying to convert anyone. Why are you? My perspective on XHCJS exiting is that he kind of gave the best standard answer in the given situation which is anything but a normal job. Very publicly football coaches are asked point blank to respond to their involvement in changing jobs (during the season still). JS responded by giving kudos to the players and stating that he is at Troy to do a job. He even pointed out that he will not likely be at Troy forever. As has been mentioned, it’s possible that he loves Troy but also is looking to further his career. Personally, I cannot blame him for that. He doesn’t have the same relationship with the institution that I do or many of us on this board do. I’m certainly not trying to convince you (or anyone else) not to be mad at JS however it’s ok for us to voice differing perspectives. The reality is that JS sold us all through engaging personality and results. Therefore, we all (likely) felt something when it became apparent that he was leaving. It’s a good thing because it means that the time he was here was great. Now, time to win some new championships with a new coach that we hopefully all buy into as well.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Dec 13, 2023 6:19:41 GMT -6
I am now convinced we need to get Neal back. It’s making sense. Can yall see it? “The Return - LSU aint Sh!t” The story of a coaches return to glory and his CFB playoff run. I am just terrified of another Chippy and grasping at straws. Dude, I was kidding. The 10 million for the IPF wouldn't even cover his buyout. I did not realize they went 8-4. I thought the wheels were still falling off. So, yea not happening.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Dec 13, 2023 10:44:56 GMT -6
I wish people would stop wishing Neal Brown would come back some day. He's a good coach, but I'm not interested at all in bringing him back. The only direction Troy needs to be looking is forward.
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Post by chasin170 on Dec 13, 2023 13:32:48 GMT -6
We should be fine,if you remember the studs on HCNB teams were mostly Blakeney recruits and the studs of HCJS team were mostly HCFester's recruits.I don't see a huge drop off in recruiting with a new head coach if we get the right guy in a timely manner.
In Jones we trust....
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 13, 2023 13:45:00 GMT -6
We should be fine,if you remember the studs on HCNB teams were mostly Blakeney recruits and the studs of HCJS team were mostly HCFester's recruits.I don't see a huge drop off in recruiting with a new head coach if we get the right guy in a timely manner. In Jones we trust.... Oxygen and Brent!!!!!
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