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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 4, 2023 11:58:39 GMT -6
I have never been happier with TROY students and their attendance than I was Saturday. They made a difference and in fact, may have caused a false start late in the 4th when App was trying to mount a comeback.
That said, I was disgusted at the lack of response from the general public. I realize that if you're reading this, you were either at the game or had circumstances that prevented you from being there (job requirement, family obligations, etc) and what what I'm writing doesn't apply to you. The people whom I am disgusted with are season ticket holders that, for whatever reason, decided to stay away. These people would have been happy to sit in a tree (or at least a shooting house) Saturday, or would have been happy to have spent the day going from store to store shopping. The weather wasn't ideal, but it wasn't awful. I don't care if the SEC Championship game was on at the same time. I tried to set my DVR to record that game. I was recording our game and my DVR wouldn't record two events at the same time, so I had to choose. I saw one App fan post on Twitter about how much fun they had but they included a picture of the HOME side during the game and wrote "This would never happen in Boone". They are probably right. It's time for TROJAN "Nation" to start acting like a nation and support, above all other football programs, our championship team.
I have waited until today to comment on this, allowing myself to utilize the 48 hours to cool off. I'm probably as cool as I'll ever be over this issue, so it's probably good I waited. Be better TROJAN fans.
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Post by jonesoxygen on Dec 4, 2023 12:17:14 GMT -6
I will say, the stadium club was sold out, which equated to 90% of those people staying inside the entire time. Suites and NEZ were sold out as well.
yes there should have been more people there, but I'm just saying there were many there, who would not appear in a photo op
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 4, 2023 12:26:32 GMT -6
I think we all saw it coming with the weather and timing. Fair weather fans are real.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 4, 2023 12:27:41 GMT -6
Influenza, Rino Virus, Covid, pneumonia... only a fool would sit out in that weather. A fool like me!! I blame no one if health precaution was the reason. Cornhole spouse wouldn't sit in a deerstand either!
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 4, 2023 13:06:20 GMT -6
I will say, the stadium club was sold out, which equated to 90% of those people staying inside the entire time. Suites and NEZ were sold out as well. yes there should have been more people there, but I'm just saying there were many there, who would not appear in a photo op Fair enough. Lower level bench seats were 90% full as well. General admission seats, all locations, were scarcely populated. The south end zone GA section probably wasn’t 10% full. I get that there were a large number of die hard fans and I tried to make sure it was obvious I wasn’t including them in my post. I just want to see a full stadium when the champ of the best G5 conference plays.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Dec 4, 2023 14:38:09 GMT -6
TBBJR tapped out at halftime, which meant Mrs. TBB , Miss TBB and Grandma all left. Myself and Grandpa stayed the entire time. It worked out as Mrs. TBB snagged a table at Baumhower’s for us.
Here’s something that pissed of Mrs. TBB: at Baumhower’s, they had the bama game on the televisions. Mrs. TBB threatened to cut the manager and he turned the Troy game on half the televisions.
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Post by TrojanFanatic on Dec 4, 2023 14:46:13 GMT -6
TBBJR tapped out at halftime, which meant Mrs. TBB , Miss TBB and Grandma all left. Myself and Grandpa stayed the entire time. It worked out as Mrs. TBB snagged a table at Baumhower’s for us. Here’s something that pissed of Mrs. TBB: at Baumhower’s, they had the bama game on the televisions. Mrs. TBB threatened to cut the manager and he turned the Troy game on half the televisions. Damn, really? The restaurant that hosts the freaking radio show can't even turn our game on the TV? That's pretty crappy
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Post by trojannation on Dec 4, 2023 15:07:14 GMT -6
I am not a fair weathered fan. I have to work since I run a restaurant and short handed. I wasn’t given a choice in the matter. I had the game on in Auburn at my place.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 4, 2023 16:06:46 GMT -6
TBBJR tapped out at halftime, which meant Mrs. TBB , Miss TBB and Grandma all left. Myself and Grandpa stayed the entire time. It worked out as Mrs. TBB snagged a table at Baumhower’s for us. Here’s something that pissed of Mrs. TBB: at Baumhower’s, they had the bama game on the televisions. Mrs. TBB threatened to cut the manager and he turned the Troy game on half the televisions. Damn, really? The restaurant that hosts the freaking radio show can't even turn our game on the TV? That's pretty crappy Yes! They only have 60 Flat screens there. You'd think a couple would be tuned into the home town team??
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 4, 2023 16:35:01 GMT -6
Damn, really? The restaurant that hosts the freaking radio show can't even turn our game on the TV? That's pretty crappy Yes! They only have 60 Flat screens there. You'd think a couple would be tuned into the home town team?? Kinda speaks to the subject of my post, doesn't it?
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Post by Possum on Dec 4, 2023 17:18:34 GMT -6
Yes! They only have 60 Flat screens there. You'd think a couple would be tuned into the home town team?? Kinda speaks to the subject of my post, doesn't it? A great Trojan once said it best… Bamers gonna Bam.
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Post by carolinatrojan on Dec 5, 2023 8:32:05 GMT -6
I have never been happier with TROY students and their attendance than I was Saturday. They made a difference and in fact, may have caused a false start late in the 4th when App was trying to mount a comeback. That said, I was disgusted at the lack of response from the general public. I realize that if you're reading this, you were either at the game or had circumstances that prevented you from being there (job requirement, family obligations, etc) and what what I'm writing doesn't apply to you. The people whom I am disgusted with are season ticket holders that, for whatever reason, decided to stay away. These people would have been happy to sit in a tree (or at least a shooting house) Saturday, or would have been happy to have spent the day going from store to store shopping. The weather wasn't ideal, but it wasn't awful. I don't care if the SEC Championship game was on at the same time. I tried to set my DVR to record that game. I was recording our game and my DVR wouldn't record two events at the same time, so I had to choose. I saw one App fan post on Twitter about how much fun they had but they included a picture of the HOME side during the game and wrote "This would never happen in Boone". They are probably right. It's time for TROJAN "Nation" to start acting like a nation and support, above all other football programs, our championship team. I have waited until today to comment on this, allowing myself to utilize the 48 hours to cool off. I'm probably as cool as I'll ever be over this issue, so it's probably good I waited. Be better TROJAN fans. 100% spot-on Bubba. It was pitiful and an embarrassment. This team and coaching staff deserved better. The ticket prices were a steal at $20 Res./$10 for GA. Troy could have given tickets away for free and I still don't think we would have gotten more than a few hundred additional fans to the game.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 5, 2023 9:03:04 GMT -6
I have never been happier with TROY students and their attendance than I was Saturday. They made a difference and in fact, may have caused a false start late in the 4th when App was trying to mount a comeback. That said, I was disgusted at the lack of response from the general public. I realize that if you're reading this, you were either at the game or had circumstances that prevented you from being there (job requirement, family obligations, etc) and what what I'm writing doesn't apply to you. The people whom I am disgusted with are season ticket holders that, for whatever reason, decided to stay away. These people would have been happy to sit in a tree (or at least a shooting house) Saturday, or would have been happy to have spent the day going from store to store shopping. The weather wasn't ideal, but it wasn't awful. I don't care if the SEC Championship game was on at the same time. I tried to set my DVR to record that game. I was recording our game and my DVR wouldn't record two events at the same time, so I had to choose. I saw one App fan post on Twitter about how much fun they had but they included a picture of the HOME side during the game and wrote "This would never happen in Boone". They are probably right. It's time for TROJAN "Nation" to start acting like a nation and support, above all other football programs, our championship team. I have waited until today to comment on this, allowing myself to utilize the 48 hours to cool off. I'm probably as cool as I'll ever be over this issue, so it's probably good I waited. Be better TROJAN fans. Yes, it looked awful to the outside world. And that App St. fan was probably right. Curious, if you were in charge, how or what would you do to remedy/improve the situation ?
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 5, 2023 9:41:37 GMT -6
I have never been happier with TROY students and their attendance than I was Saturday. They made a difference and in fact, may have caused a false start late in the 4th when App was trying to mount a comeback. That said, I was disgusted at the lack of response from the general public. I realize that if you're reading this, you were either at the game or had circumstances that prevented you from being there (job requirement, family obligations, etc) and what what I'm writing doesn't apply to you. The people whom I am disgusted with are season ticket holders that, for whatever reason, decided to stay away. These people would have been happy to sit in a tree (or at least a shooting house) Saturday, or would have been happy to have spent the day going from store to store shopping. The weather wasn't ideal, but it wasn't awful. I don't care if the SEC Championship game was on at the same time. I tried to set my DVR to record that game. I was recording our game and my DVR wouldn't record two events at the same time, so I had to choose. I saw one App fan post on Twitter about how much fun they had but they included a picture of the HOME side during the game and wrote "This would never happen in Boone". They are probably right. It's time for TROJAN "Nation" to start acting like a nation and support, above all other football programs, our championship team. I have waited until today to comment on this, allowing myself to utilize the 48 hours to cool off. I'm probably as cool as I'll ever be over this issue, so it's probably good I waited. Be better TROJAN fans. Yes, it looked awful to the outside world. And that App St. fan was probably right. Curious, if you were in charge, how or what would you do to remedy/improve the situation ? The sad truth is, I don't know if there is a solution. I certainly don't think the situation is as it is because of a lack of effort or creativity on the part of the athletic or university leadership. I think they are doing all they can. They are engaged with the students and the community in a way I haven't see before. I graduated in '95 at the tender age of 34. At that time, the stadium capacity was 12,500 and we didn't fill it then either. There was more Alabama and Auburn gear and apparel in and around the stadium than there was Troy swag...much more. Fans, when they did tailgate, would tailgate and sit outside the stadium while tROY played and watch other games. Thankfully, those things are rarely seen these days. I think the soulution has to be organic. Those students who were at the game Saturday were more committed than any group I've ever seen in Troy. Those young men and women will, in large part, return to Troy and bring their kids with them. Those kids, having grown up with Troy athletics will repeat the process. We set attendance records this season. Things are better than they ever been around TROY athletics in general, football in particular. I firmly believe things will continue to change, but I'm getting older by the second and I want to see an electric atmosphere in The Vet for EVERY game played before I breathe my last. Edit/addition: I would also say, I think I can make an argument that from a historic and success standpoint, App Is the premier football program in the state of NC. Neither Duke, UNC, or NC State can challenge App for football dominate in that state. The same can't be said of TROY as it relates to Alabama and Auburn.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 5, 2023 9:47:34 GMT -6
It is obvious weather played a part. However, another way of looking at it was that even with better weather there may not have 10,000 more but just 2500 and the look could have been about the same. So, perhaps the weather sort of gives an excuse??? Over all the student attendance was fantastic and the oldies but goodies were there and the Trojans won!
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 5, 2023 10:03:44 GMT -6
Yes, it looked awful to the outside world. And that App St. fan was probably right. Curious, if you were in charge, how or what would you do to remedy/improve the situation ? The sad truth is, I don't know if there is a solution. I certainly don't think the situation is as it is because of a lack of effort or creativity on the part of the athletic or university leadership. I think they are doing all they can. They are engaged with the students and the community in a way I haven't see before. I graduated in '95 at the tender age of 34. At that time, the stadium capacity was 12,500 and we didn't fill it then either. There was more Alabama and Auburn gear and apparel in and around the stadium than there was Troy swag...much more. Fans, when they did tailgate, would tailgate and sit outside the stadium while tROY played and watch other games. Thankfully, those things are rarely seen these days. I think the soulution has to be organic. Those students who were at the game Saturday were more committed than any group I've ever seen in Troy. Those young men and women will, in large part, return to Troy and bring their kids with them. Those kids, having grown up with Troy athletics will repeat the process. We set attendance records this season. Things are better than they ever been around TROY athletics in general, football in particular. I firmly believe things will continue to change, but I'm getting older by the second and I want to see an electric atmosphere in The Vet for EVERY game played before I breathe my last. Edit/addition: I would also say, I think I can make an argument that from a historic and success standpoint, App Is the premier football program in the state of NC. Neither Duke, UNC, or NC State can challenge App for football dominate in that state. The same can't be said of TROY as it relates to Alabama and Auburn. Excellent reply Bubba ! I think you got to where I wanted you to when I asked the question. You detailed all the positives that have occurred at Troy overtime. The future is bright. You detailed that there is no need to be upset and accept what Troy is due to his situation and environment. But that doesn’t mean that fans, the AD or the school doesn’t keep trying to improve. A couple points: *Yes, even if weather was perfect the stands were not going to be full. *Yes, improvement will be mostly organic, taking almost generational time. *Dead on concerning the Bama/Barn gear and tailgates. * And yes, I want to see a fully occupied stadium, on the bucket list before I die. Think to do this in the near term, all the stars need to align: continued championships, maybe a playoff appearance, or multiple undefeated seasons in a row. After everyone is buzzing about Troy, a home game with a hugely recognizable P5 team within driving distance of Troy, when the weekend slate of other area programs are not at home. Long term, decades, as the fanbase grows it will just start happening.
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Post by mlambertii on Dec 5, 2023 11:02:50 GMT -6
Tarp the areas that dont get used. I’d rather have a banner on camera than empty seats.
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Post by cornhole on Dec 5, 2023 11:02:58 GMT -6
Bubba sez-
This >> "I think the solution has to be organic. Those students who were at the game Saturday were more committed than any group I've ever seen in Troy. Those young men and women will, in large part, return to Troy and bring their kids with them. Those kids, having grown up with Troy Athletics will repeat the process. We set attendance records this season. Things are better than they ever been around TROY athletics in general, football in particular. I firmly believe things will continue to change, but I'm getting older by the second and I want to see an electric atmosphere in The Vet for EVERY game played before I breathe my last."
When cornhole and another adopted Trojan approached Pooh Ba Warrior Staffer 15 years ago with Fan idea, Staffer adamantly stated "This event is for Fans, NOT Students!" ... and there was maybe one section students attending Football Games those days... ding, Ding, DING!
Cultivating engagement and School Pride for Troy Athletics were obviously NOT a priority for decades on this campus. Credit Impact and Orientation student effforts to include Athletic Pride from Day 1! Credit Neal Brown for changing the winds of the past.. he spent much time and energy on Campus, Dining Halls, Dorms, Frats and community venues rallying support for Troy Athletics! His efforts have expanded over several Athletic and School Admins into permanently structured, organizational initiatives (such as Marketing, Troy Sports Properties, Donor Recognition and Inclusion), that are bearing fruit. Fresh new facilities provided by a forward-looking Chancellor and Board. Add HCJS to this two years ago and we have a fine platform for creating a bright future for Troy Athletics.
It takes time but the Future is bright, finally!*
Go Troy!
*BTW, Winning helps.
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Post by SOTSButterfly on Dec 5, 2023 20:50:38 GMT -6
Between the weather and the other game on at the same time, I honestly expected it. Proud of the students!
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Dec 6, 2023 7:21:01 GMT -6
I am a chairback season ticket holder and always will be minus the Chippy years. DT just could not support that. We did not attend a game all year. Honestly sitting back and thinking about the attendance situation and how far the student section has come here is my 2 cents:
Troy attendance is < 50% Troy grads and family. Bama and Barn attendance is < 50% people who never stepped foot in one classroom. Those people are more likely spend money they don't have on tickets and TicTock from the stands and not focus time on family, progress, ect. Non Alumni are what have driven their ticket prices so dang high. There are only a handful of Troy Football fans more intense than DT but life comes at you fast. When my little one is of age I am sure he and I will be loading up and headed Northeast quite often. But for now, we live on a farm, that current state is not running itself. I think a lot of former students (Grads or not) are in the same boat.
I am married in to a family that has Bryant Society status and owns a box in Tuscaloosa. I cant tell you the last time they attended a game. Their giving has increased in the last decade but attendance has dropped. I hope the giving at Troy is way up as it should be. But, the average attendance has not increased as the student involvement has over the last few years has. I expected ex-students to continue to show up and get loud, thus increasing attendance, but that does not seem to be the case. I honestly don't think many of them are at Bama or Barn games. I think they graduate, move off, and life comes fast. I do however hope they are giving. Its your duty as a fan if you can budget it and still provide for yourself and family. We might not ever see a day that the Vet holds 75%+ capacity on a regular basis unless it becomes the "cool" thing to do and "social media" thing to do and I for one am not sure I want those people around anyways.
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Post by trojanocean on Dec 7, 2023 14:55:04 GMT -6
I went to every single home game this year. I had a huge rock show production happening Sunday night that was 4 months in the making. I was sick with a horrible cold beginning the Monday before Thanksgiving and lasting until the Thursday before the championship but still have the chest and head congestion even now - I just finally felt human again Thursday and had some energy. I was flying to Ireland for 2 weeks on the following Monday. I left my house and made it 45 minutes into the 2.5 hr drive to Troy and made the decision that there was just too much personally on the line for me to sit in the rain with all that was about to happen in the following 48 hrs after the game. I hated, HATED, to miss it but I simply could not justify it under the circumstances. Troy got my money and we still won. Beyond that, I don't give a flying duck fart what any App St. fan hast to say about our attendance. I saw the social media posts. Then I looked at the scoreboard. Better a Troy fan any day with any attendance than an App St. fan with a sell out every game. I'll do what I can and hope others do as well but I'm not gonna sweat it at all.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Dec 7, 2023 16:20:35 GMT -6
I want to clear the air. I initiated this thread. I attempted to make it clear that my frustration in no way was directed at anyone who would read it. I acknowledged that there were extenuating circumstances that could well have kept people that would have loved to be in attendance away. Job obligations, family obligations, especially around the holidays, medical situations..all of these have kept me from attending games in the past, and could very well do so in the future. I do not question the commitment of any poster on this board. We are TROJANS one and all.
That said, I was, and am, very frustrated by the fact that the general population of the Wiregrass doesn't do more to support TROJAN football with their attendance. As trojanocean stated, I don't care about what an APP fan thinks about our attendance, at least not on an individual level. However, the way our attendance is viewed by an individual, App fan or otherwise, could well reflect the attitude of the general population. No man is an island, and if one person sees our attendance in a bad light, others will too. If Joe Blow from Podunk Junction is considering coming to a game and he sees that we have have what appears to be poor attendance at a conference tile game (I say appears because i recognize we sold many more tickets than we had folks in the stands), he may very well think "In spite of the noise, TROY football must not be all that, they can't even get folks to the title game." I know that's not an inaccurate view, so do all of you, but inaccurate or not, it is likely one held by many. It frustrates me that in spite of your success, in spite of record ticket sales, record attendance, record revenue, and a 27% year to year increase in season ticket sales, those facts weren't evident to outsiders looking at our crowd Saturday. As I said, I was venting to what I suspect are like minded TROJANS. Go TROY, let's take over B'ham and cry HAVOC!
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Post by buzzlightyear on Dec 7, 2023 17:08:20 GMT -6
Again, as you said, the folks on this board are pretty hard core Troy football fans.
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Post by saintflorian on Dec 7, 2023 17:17:10 GMT -6
I want to clear the air. I initiated this thread. I attempted to make it clear that my frustration in no way was directed at anyone who would read it. I acknowledged that there were extenuating circumstances that could well have kept people that would have loved to be in attendance away. Job obligations, family obligations, especially around the holidays, medical situations..all of these have kept me from attending games in the past, and could very well do so in the future. I do not question the commitment of any poster on this board. We are TROJANS one and all. That said, I was, and am, very frustrated by the fact that the general population of the Wiregrass doesn't do more to support TROJAN football with their attendance. As trojanocean stated, I don't care about what an APP fan thinks about our attendance, at least not on an individual level. However, the way our attendance is viewed by an individual, App fan or otherwise, could well reflect the attitude of the general population. No man is an island, and if one person sees our attendance in a bad light, others will too. If Joe Blow from Podunk Junction is considering coming to a game and he sees that we have have what appears to be poor attendance at a conference tile game (I say appears because i recognize we sold many more tickets than we had folks in the stands), he may very well think "In spite of the noise, TROY football must not be all that, they can't even get folks to the title game." I know that's not an inaccurate view, so do all of you, but inaccurate or not, it is likely one held by many. It frustrates me that in spite of your success, in spite of record ticket sales, record attendance, record revenue, and a 27% year to year increase in season ticket sales, those facts weren't evident to outsiders looking at our crowd Saturday. As I said, I was venting to what I suspect are like minded TROJANS. Go TROY, let's take over B'ham and cry HAVOC!One quote from your post above stands out: “That said, I was, and am, very frustrated by the fact that the general population of the Wiregrass doesn't do more to support TROJAN football with their attendance.” Will they ever ? IDK, thinking it will take a generational shift.
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Post by Hemi Man on Dec 7, 2023 17:55:05 GMT -6
I want to clear the air. I initiated this thread. I attempted to make it clear that my frustration in no way was directed at anyone who would read it. I acknowledged that there were extenuating circumstances that could well have kept people that would have loved to be in attendance away. Job obligations, family obligations, especially around the holidays, medical situations..all of these have kept me from attending games in the past, and could very well do so in the future. I do not question the commitment of any poster on this board. We are TROJANS one and all. That said, I was, and am, very frustrated by the fact that the general population of the Wiregrass doesn't do more to support TROJAN football with their attendance. As trojanocean stated, I don't care about what an APP fan thinks about our attendance, at least not on an individual level. However, the way our attendance is viewed by an individual, App fan or otherwise, could well reflect the attitude of the general population. No man is an island, and if one person sees our attendance in a bad light, others will too. If Joe Blow from Podunk Junction is considering coming to a game and he sees that we have have what appears to be poor attendance at a conference tile game (I say appears because i recognize we sold many more tickets than we had folks in the stands), he may very well think "In spite of the noise, TROY football must not be all that, they can't even get folks to the title game." I know that's not an inaccurate view, so do all of you, but inaccurate or not, it is likely one held by many. It frustrates me that in spite of your success, in spite of record ticket sales, record attendance, record revenue, and a 27% year to year increase in season ticket sales, those facts weren't evident to outsiders looking at our crowd Saturday. As I said, I was venting to what I suspect are like minded TROJANS. Go TROY, let's take over B'ham and cry HAVOC!It’s a very slow growth, but it is growing. The success of Bama has stymied it for sure.
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