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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 23, 2023 13:54:28 GMT -6
GET! THE! SNAP! UP!
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 23, 2023 13:57:42 GMT -6
Sorry for the double post.
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Post by SOTSButterfly on Sept 23, 2023 21:22:18 GMT -6
YES!! The low snaps are killing me!
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Post by trojanocean on Sept 24, 2023 17:19:36 GMT -6
I'm hoping one of those savvy reporters will ask about this because it's definitely an issue affecting things.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 24, 2023 17:27:06 GMT -6
I’m just going off the eye test, but I’m going to say 40-50% of the snaps come in knee high or lower. It probably takes 0.5 seconds for Gunnar to bend down, catch the snap, and stand back into position. That is 0.5 seconds longer the OL has to hold a block, 0.5 seconds less time that Gunnar has to see and react to the defense, and 0.5 seconds by which the timing is off between the QB/RB exchange. It is indeed making a huge difference and is often the reason Gunnar finds himself flushed and running for his life.
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Post by troyfan on Sept 24, 2023 17:33:48 GMT -6
But the offensive woes are all on Gunnar and craddock according to this board!
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 24, 2023 17:41:27 GMT -6
But the offensive woes are all on Gunnar and craddock according to this board! Look, I think they share the blame, but share is the key word.
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Post by cornhole on Sept 24, 2023 17:57:21 GMT -6
I’m just going off the eye test, but I’m going to say 40-50% of the snaps come in knee high or lower. It probably takes 0.5 seconds for Gunnar to bend down, catch the snap, and stand back into position. That is 0.5 seconds longer the OL has to hold a block, 0.5 seconds less time that Gunnar has to see and react to the defense, and 0.5 seconds by which the timing is off between the QB/RB exchange. It is indeed making a huge difference and is often the reason Gunnar finds himself flushed and running for his life. True all. I agree with your eye test. Consistency is the key. If the QB can rely on a consistent placement of the snap, with consistent orientation of the ball in his grip, it's one less distraction and speeds up the process. What we are witnessing is a disaster and not just this game. Just one of the details this offense needs to work out to be Conference contenders again.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 24, 2023 18:07:55 GMT -6
One other simple concept: I am trying to figure out the medical term for a phobia of headsets? I think Sumrall is fantastic but he appears to have a love hate relationship with headsets. Perhaps our center snaps improving would help in curing this peculiar ailment. Also would not hurt if our officiating crews drank less before refereeing our games. But Jon was winding up for a good headset thrashing when apparently a headset psychologist intervened the headset execution.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 24, 2023 18:08:18 GMT -6
But the offensive woes are all on Gunnar and craddock according to this board! You didn’t see S***. Here’s where you were sitting during the Troy game.
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Post by trojanocean on Sept 24, 2023 19:32:08 GMT -6
One other simple concept: I am trying to figure out the medical term for a phobia of headsets? I think Sumrall is fantastic but he appears to have a love hate relationship with headsets. Perhaps our center snaps improving would help in curing this peculiar ailment. Also would not hurt if our officiating crews drank less before refereeing our games. But Jon was winding up for a good headset thrashing when apparently a headset psychologist intervened the headset execution. He was HOT on Saturday at several moments. Almost "baseball team manager chewing out the home plate umpire" level. I guess they get scolded for talking it up too much in the press afterwards but someone needs to be chewing the but of the Sunbelt officiating office because they are inconsistent and outright not good on either side of the ball, honestly. I don't know what system of accountability they have or if there is one, if it's only there to go through the motions and nothing is ever really done but someone somewhere needs to do something.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 24, 2023 19:40:26 GMT -6
There was one headset throw and one “Restrained by Rusty Whitt”. All in all, it was an interesting day to watch HCJS interact with the on field arbiters.
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Post by pctrojan16 on Sept 25, 2023 7:12:45 GMT -6
It is disturbing that we had trouble with that.. Was he getting to much pressure, sweaty hands? Surely we have more than one competent center
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Sept 25, 2023 7:31:50 GMT -6
One other simple concept: I am trying to figure out the medical term for a phobia of headsets? I think Sumrall is fantastic but he appears to have a love hate relationship with headsets. Perhaps our center snaps improving would help in curing this peculiar ailment. Also would not hurt if our officiating crews drank less before refereeing our games. But Jon was winding up for a good headset thrashing when apparently a headset psychologist intervened the headset execution. I'm not sure I agree with a prolonged diatribe directed towards the officials. Let the official know that he made a bad call; especially on judgement calls like holding. Let the team know you will stand up for them. But once the decision is final get your last word in and move on. If you have to be restrained, you are close to being thrown out of the game and/or turning the refs against you on 50/50 judgement calls.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 25, 2023 7:35:43 GMT -6
It is disturbing that we had trouble with that.. Was he getting too much pressure, sweaty hands? Surely we have more than one competent center I watched, he wasn’t getting pressured, unless he felt it internally because he thought his man was quicker than him. Saturday was not the first time it’s been an issue.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 25, 2023 7:50:48 GMT -6
Before I go too far down this road, I will give our center a bit of grace and some time to fix the issue. He is trying to replace a guy who is now playing in the NFL. That is likely influencing what I’d like to see.
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Post by trojanocean on Sept 25, 2023 8:17:09 GMT -6
One other simple concept: I am trying to figure out the medical term for a phobia of headsets? I think Sumrall is fantastic but he appears to have a love hate relationship with headsets. Perhaps our center snaps improving would help in curing this peculiar ailment. Also would not hurt if our officiating crews drank less before refereeing our games. But Jon was winding up for a good headset thrashing when apparently a headset psychologist intervened the headset execution. ... and/or turning the refs against you on 50/50 judgement calls. This should NEVER be an issue. I know it can be and is but if you're officiating and making decisions based on any sort of favoritism or preference based on any sort of treatment, you DO NOT belong in officiating.
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Post by fltrojan on Sept 25, 2023 11:53:06 GMT -6
Before I go too far down this road, I will give our center a bit of grace and some time to fix the issue. He is trying to replace a guy who is now playing in the NFL. That is likely influencing what I’d like to see. Our center transfered from Ok St so it's not like he's a true freshman. If he can't snap find someone who can
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Post by trojanocean on Sept 26, 2023 6:22:17 GMT -6
And so it seems that our center was playing through the latter effects of being sick with salmonella. That completes the picture there and shows me how much I don't know what I don't know and some caution should be taken when giving my criticism. I hope the young man is well on the mend and appreciate him giving good effort in spite of the circumstances. I know when I'm sick, I'm pathetic and there's no way I'd be out on the field but instead in the bed curled up in the fetal position. LOL
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 26, 2023 6:33:40 GMT -6
And so it seems that our center was playing through the latter effects of being sick with salmonella. That completes the picture there and shows me how much I don't know what I don't know and some caution should be taken when giving my criticism. I hope the young man is well on the mend and appreciate him giving good effort in spite of the circumstances. I know when I'm sick, I'm pathetic and there's no way I'd be out on the field but instead in the bed curled up in the fetal position. LOL Michael Jordan played one of his greatest games when he had the flu. Kirk Gibson hit a home run on one leg to win a World Series game. Patrick Ewing led his Hoyas to a Win in March madness when crippled by injury. Byron Leftwhich led Marshall in a come back win by having his team mates carry him down the field after each play because he could not walk. Now with all that said: not a one of them had to squeeze muscles in the opposite end of their body to be able to use the top half to hike a ball. The contraction of muscles to snap a ball would put abdominal pressure on “valves” in the lower half of the body. That’s what salmonella does to you. So pinching off a bit of a snap is understandable. I seriously doubt ESPN will do highlights of his efforts as in a 30/30 but we appreciate the effort. Like said: hard to be your best when you feel crappy or could be! I do hope the general trend improves but will give a pass for this past game.
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 26, 2023 6:51:34 GMT -6
If that incapacitated, play the backup.
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Post by pctrojan16 on Sept 26, 2023 7:12:32 GMT -6
And so it seems that our center was playing through the latter effects of being sick with salmonella. That completes the picture there and shows me how much I don't know what I don't know and some caution should be taken when giving my criticism. I hope the young man is well on the mend and appreciate him giving good effort in spite of the circumstances. I know when I'm sick, I'm pathetic and there's no way I'd be out on the field but instead in the bed curled up in the fetal position. LOL He also should know that if he can not carry out his duties, let the coaches now and that's why you have back ups. I get playing through stuff but sometimes you need to just be honest with yourself. I've had players tell me before that they can not block a man, so we alter the scheme on the sidelines to be successful. If a HS coach can do that a college one should be more than capable. Also that's why I am so critical of our OL
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Post by trojanocean on Sept 26, 2023 7:25:35 GMT -6
Well, I'm just reporting what coach said. I'm not sure what state he was in of his recovery. I just know that Sumrall said he was off and had been sick with salmonella. Now, apparently Jon Sumrall DID know the facts, knows the backup, and made the call to play him. So your able criticisms lay at the feet of Sumrall for playing him. I guess the facts show he's not a very good coach.
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Post by pctrojan16 on Sept 26, 2023 7:30:50 GMT -6
Well, I'm just reporting what coach said. I'm not sure what state he was in of his recovery. I just know that Sumrall said he was off and had been sick with salmonella. Now, apparently Jon Sumrall DID know the facts, knows the backup, and made the call to play him. So your able criticisms lay at the feet of Sumrall for playing him. I guess the facts show he's not a very good coach. Never said that, if HC makes the call, he makes the call. We won so, hopefully he is feeling better
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Post by saintflorian on Sept 26, 2023 7:42:15 GMT -6
Give out 85 scholarships for a reason.
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