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Post by srbtrojan on Oct 15, 2022 16:49:53 GMT -6
Period!
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Post by atlantatrojan on Oct 15, 2022 16:51:37 GMT -6
Same
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Post by TrojanFanatic on Oct 15, 2022 17:00:08 GMT -6
10 bucks says nope, Gunnar will be out there
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Post by srbtrojan on Oct 15, 2022 17:05:53 GMT -6
It’s beyond obvious who runs that offense better. BEYOND!!
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 15, 2022 18:18:17 GMT -6
All of the above!
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Post by buzzlightyear on Oct 15, 2022 18:28:09 GMT -6
I will support whatever the coaching staff chose to do. They HAVE definitely proven their ability to put our guys in the best position to win. Yes I have a preference but I submit (like it makes a difference if I don’t) to their criteria and decisions.
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Post by trojanempire on Oct 15, 2022 19:01:50 GMT -6
The offense, to me, looks crisper with Doege at the controls. Obviously I do not watch the film though.
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Post by ksdtrojan on Oct 15, 2022 19:19:44 GMT -6
QB rating: Doege 175.6 Gunnar 138.2
Whoever gives us the best chance to win.
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 15, 2022 19:23:24 GMT -6
A blind man would agree with this.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Oct 15, 2022 19:44:11 GMT -6
Post game presser, Coach was asked about the decision to start Watson over Doege. He said he would never have a player lose his starting spot over an injury. When Watson came out of the game today, it was because he had taken a couple of hard hits and his helmet had come off twice. Coach said he, out of a sense of precaution, wanted to give him a break to catch his breath and thoughts. He told Gunnar he was going to let Doege operate one drive. When Doege threw the TD, Gunnar went to Coach and told him to go with the hot hand, to let Doege finish the job.
While Gunnar didn't come out of the game because of an injury, he was taken out in order to give him a break from a couple of hard hits. The plan was to reinsert him until he told Coach to let Doege finish because he was holding the hot hand. I say all this to say, these things considered, Watson will start Thursday night unless he gets sick or injured in the interim.
Also, Watson demonstrated a considerable degree of selflessness and shows he want's the team to win, however it goes down.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 15, 2022 19:48:55 GMT -6
West Mobile Community College isn't going to let us off the hook when Gunnar turns it over on the first drive.
Or blows it in the red zone.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Oct 15, 2022 19:51:17 GMT -6
West Mobile Community College isn't going to let us off the hook when Gunnar turns it over on the first drive. Or blows it in the red zone. I am currently watching West Mobile Community College destroy ULM. It doesn't matter which QB starts, if our offensive line doesn't provide better protection than they did tonight, we will get run out of Mobile on a rail.
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Oct 15, 2022 19:58:28 GMT -6
West Mobile Community College isn't going to let us off the hook when Gunnar turns it over on the first drive. Or blows it in the red zone. I am currently watching West Mobile Community College destroy ULM. It doesn't matter which QB starts, if our offensive line doesn't provide better protection than they did tonight, we will get run out of Mobile on a rail. Yeah, I watched some of that game too. I turned it off when they broke 40 and got that sack on ULM's next possession.
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Post by trojanraid on Oct 15, 2022 20:17:08 GMT -6
I am currently watching West Mobile Community College destroy ULM. It doesn't matter which QB starts, if our offensive line doesn't provide better protection than they did tonight, we will get run out of Mobile on a rail. Yeah, I watched some of that game too. I turned it off when they broke 40 and got that sack on ULM's next possession. This is absolutely the key. Our OL couldn't keep the Tx St. defense from pressuring our QBs at all today. Don't know if Tx. St. has improved that much or if our OL had a bad day, but they have got to do a better job than they did today. The OL has been inconsistent all season, but today was rough.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Oct 15, 2022 20:21:45 GMT -6
Yeah, I watched some of that game too. I turned it off when they broke 40 and got that sack on ULM's next possession. This is absolutely the key. Our OL couldn't keep the Tx St. defense from pressuring our QBs at all today. Don't know if Tx. St. has improved that much or if our OL had a bad day, but they have got to do a better job than they did today. The OL has been inconsistent all season, but today was rough. One thing I did note. The eye test told me that we were outweighed by about 15 lbs a man across the front, especially the O Line vs their D Line. I didn't look that info up, but we looked really small on both sides of the ball.
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Post by cornhole on Oct 15, 2022 20:29:18 GMT -6
This is absolutely the key. Our OL couldn't keep the Tx St. defense from pressuring our QBs at all today. Don't know if Tx. St. has improved that much or if our OL had a bad day, but they have got to do a better job than they did today. The OL has been inconsistent all season, but today was rough. One thing I did note. The eye test told me that we were outweighed by about 15 lbs a man across the front, especially the O Line vs their D Line. I didn't look that info up, but we looked really small on both sides of the ball. Agree totally. Dem TX boys don't miss any meals! Their O-line was stout.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Oct 15, 2022 20:43:14 GMT -6
One thing I did note. The eye test told me that we were outweighed by about 15 lbs a man across the front, especially the O Line vs their D Line. I didn't look that info up, but we looked really small on both sides of the ball. Agree totally. Dem TX boys don't miss any meals! Their O-line was stout. Kinda like those corn fed Nebraska boys...as Keith Jackson would call 'em
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Post by rette on Oct 15, 2022 20:47:33 GMT -6
Doege 👍
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Post by biggtroy on Oct 15, 2022 21:42:22 GMT -6
The reason Doege was probably brought in was HCJS new we could win NOW and Doege could get that done. Any of us who have watched plenty of football have seen QB situations where one of them just lights a fire in the guys and Doege does that with us. He needs to play NOW!
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Post by buzzlightyear on Oct 16, 2022 6:05:10 GMT -6
The reason Doege was probably brought in was HCJS new we could win NOW and Doege could get that done. Any of us who have watched plenty of football have seen QB situations where one of them just lights a fire in the guys and Doege does that with us. He needs to play NOW! There are multiple examples of how college kids are in their performance demeanor’s. Example is Oklahoma. They get blanked 49-0 by Texas and then beat KU yesterday 52-42 or something like that. Point is a WKU Doege came in a did a job when Gunnar went down. Guys were impressed and so did not have any doubts against a USM team that he could do it and he did. Again confidence (this guy has an it factor to him and coach pointed out to us that he is the active current leader in yards and TD’s). So, then last night Gunnar not quite up to snuff? Started bad but ok and was just pounded a lot. Held ball maybe a bit long here and there but things just got bogged down and pressure was on. Coach could use the Gunnar getting kicked around a bit to bring in a guy that could just lift the spirits (many basketball teams have a sixth man who just lights the fire for whatever reason) well in he comes and it happens. Even the run game improved by the college WWE mentality that gets into them when hope and confidence overtakes hope and can we attitude. Doege has the it going for him right now and IT could easily swing to Gunnar if Doege did start. We are lucky in that fact. The same stagnation could hit Doege (hopefully not) but the team would have the same we have a chance with Gunnar backing him up. It is just the psychology of college players. Coach seems to have that feel about it too. So, even if Gunnar starts we are ok because coach knows all of this. If Gunnar starts that is the right choice because over all the guys believe in him …..they also believe in Doege.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Oct 16, 2022 6:30:34 GMT -6
Oh by the way with all of that said. Jarret is extremely confident right now. Gunnar probably knows that fact too.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Oct 16, 2022 6:53:48 GMT -6
I have no allegiance to either QB, they are both capable and have shown they can win ball games. Their strengths are different.
Gunnar is a little more mobile in the pocket, maybe not faster in a line, but a little more elusive. He reads the plays very well, making good decisions about what to do with the ball. Things may not always go as intended but he rarely costs us by making a bad decision on his read.
Jarrett, on the other hand, can drop back, step up into the pocket and trow a frozen rope into a 2 X 2 window at 35 yards while dropping a dime into the corner of the end zone on a fade route. We've seen him do one of each for TD in the last 2 games.
Buzz mentioned that the running game opened up in the fourth as the O Line began to get a push of the ball. I too noticed that. I also noticed that the pressure on the QB, which for the entire game had come from both the edge and up the middle was suddenly coming primarily from the edge. I can't help but wonder if TX State altered their defensive scheme out of respect for jarrett's accuracy and firepower.
Given the way the defense is playing us, either guy would be an appropriate QB. If they aren't pushing up the middle with their LB, Watsons ability to read and make decisions would play well. If, however, the defense, is bringing heat up the middle and from the edge, Doege's ability to step into the pocket and throw those ropes with a defender in his face would be important.
Play whichever QB best fits what the defense is doing, and don't be afraid to make a switch mid game, if appropriate.
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Post by troyjan95 on Oct 16, 2022 7:09:09 GMT -6
West Mobile Community College isn't going to let us off the hook when Gunnar turns it over on the first drive. Or blows it in the red zone. or when doege throws a pick in the red zone- like against Southern Miss Gunnar should transfer - he threw a TD yesterday and Doege threw 1 TD The difference was 3rd down conversions where Doege out performed Gunnar Gunnar ain't that bad but in this fan bases mind - he sucks so please start Doege next week Coach - he's been here 11 weeks after transferring from West Virginia for a summer internship at Western Kentucky where he expected to get a permanent job but it did not work out for him - so he left the team and landed in Troy - where the starter stuck out it out with (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) and his teammates to play for a winner like Coach Sumrall Gunnars loss is to a Top 10 team who if they win out and lose the SEC Championship will be in the college football playoff If only Gunnar could have batted that pass down at App - but he does not play defense - we have 1 loss. So for the kid who has remained loyal to his Troy family - I say thank you for sticking it out when losing and for continuing to grind and fight when winning all while showing leadership to give Doege the ball today because he had the hot hand That's the kind of character I want to see in this program
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Oct 16, 2022 7:45:27 GMT -6
West Mobile Community College isn't going to let us off the hook when Gunnar turns it over on the first drive. Or blows it in the red zone. or when doege throws a pick in the red zone- like against Southern Miss Gunnar should transfer - he threw a TD yesterday and Doege threw 1 TD The difference was 3rd down conversions where Doege out performed Gunnar Gunnar ain't that bad but in this fan bases mind - he sucks so please start Doege next week Coach - he's been here 11 weeks after transferring from West Virginia for a summer internship at Western Kentucky where he expected to get a permanent job but it did not work out for him - so he left the team and landed in Troy - where the starter stuck out it out with (The HC we don’t speak of) (The HC we don’t speak of) and his teammates to play for a winner like Coach Sumrall Gunnars loss is to a Top 10 team who if they win out and lose the SEC Championship will be in the college football playoff If only Gunnar could have batted that pass down at App - but he does not play defense - we have 1 loss. So for the kid who has remained loyal to his Troy family - I say thank you for sticking it out when losing and for continuing to grind and fight when winning all while showing leadership to give Doege the ball today because he had the hot hand That's the kind of character I want to see in this program After reading his post, I'm with 95 on this one.
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Post by srbtrojan on Oct 16, 2022 8:11:44 GMT -6
Nice post on Gunnar! Two things here 1. I had no idea about what Gunnar told coach during the game before posting. That shows a lot of humility and team first mentality. 2. I don’t think Gunnar sucks. I am simply saying based on my observation Doege runs the offense better and looks a little more crisp on his throws. We are facing a very good south team and we need to come out firing on all cylinders. If we don’t…we lose.
I appreciate everything Gunnar has done and is still doing. I am just simply stating that I think Doege gives us the best chance next week. But hey, we are fortunate to have both those guys and it’s nice to have a QB debate for the first time in a while.
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