|
Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 11, 2022 18:21:48 GMT -6
There is alot going on in this play. I previously put all blame on the OL. I wonder if Watson put himself in a dark alley in the big city at 3am. First, the murderer is the strong side DE. Second, the guard pulls to the weak side. As a former HS DT, I see this and I plug the middle to stop the run. I do not know if this is designed to fake run to set up the pass. Third, The left tackle takes the heads-up or inside man. For a run, this is correct. For a pass, this is an accessory to murder. Notice the DE is in open space and the fake handoff is happening. Or is it a fake? Was there a bad exchange? Fourth, the running back does not make the block and commits to the run without the ball. Fifth, there is nothing Watson can do at this point. He sees the weak side DE coming at him and before he can react, he is tackled from behind. A couple of things to look at however. A. The running back is now looking to make a block on someone in front of him. B. The OL is moving downfield like a run. Finally, if Watson was not tackled and he threw a completion, I think we get a penalty for illegal man downfield. Either the OL blocked for run and Watson chose to cowboy up and pass, or this is a bad designed play with an RP option. If it’s the latter, I wouldn’t of pulled my guards. This play is very bad and dangerous. I now have no idea of who to blame.
|
|
|
Post by fltrojan on Sept 11, 2022 18:41:27 GMT -6
Just pure sloppiness
|
|
|
Post by foulpolephenom on Sept 12, 2022 10:00:44 GMT -6
There is alot going on in this play. I previously put all blame on the OL. I wonder if Watson put himself in a dark alley in the big city at 3am. First, the murderer is the strong side DE. Second, the guard pulls to the weak side. As a former HS DT, I see this and I plug the middle to stop the run. I do not know if this is designed to fake run to set up the pass. Third, The left tackle takes the heads-up or inside man. For a run, this is correct. For a pass, this is an accessory to murder. Notice the DE is in open space and the fake handoff is happening. Or is it a fake? Was there a bad exchange? Fourth, the running back does not make the block and commits to the run without the ball. Fifth, there is nothing Watson can do at this point. He sees the weak side DE coming at him and before he can react, he is tackled from behind. A couple of things to look at however. A. The running back is now looking to make a block on someone in front of him. B. The OL is moving downfield like a run. Finally, if Watson was not tackled and he threw a completion, I think we get a penalty for illegal man downfield. Either the OL blocked for run and Watson chose to cowboy up and pass, or this is a bad designed play with an RP option. If it’s the latter, I wouldn’t of pulled my guards. This play is very bad and dangerous. I now have no idea of who to blame. That isn't the strong side the DE is on. Strong side is the side where TE is lined up which is the top of the formation.
|
|
|
Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 12, 2022 10:10:24 GMT -6
^^^^That's why I don't make my fortune as a coach. I call the strong side the side with the greater amount of turf between the ball and the sideline. Now that we have this cleared up, I am genuinely interested in some of ya'lls insight that do coach.
1. Who was responsible to block the guy that made the sack?
2. If it's a pass, why pull the guards?
|
|
|
Post by foulpolephenom on Sept 12, 2022 10:17:27 GMT -6
^^^^That's why I don't make my fortune as a coach. I call the strong side the side with the greater amount of turf between the ball and the sideline. Now that we have this cleared up, I am genuinely interested in some of ya'lls insight that do coach. 1. Who was responsible to block the guy that made the sack? 2. If it's a pass, why pull the guards? On play action, you pull the guards to sell the run more. This video looks similar to what we ran but almost like we pulled to the wrong side.
|
|
|
Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Sept 12, 2022 10:50:13 GMT -6
One thing I've noticed... against Ole Miss and Alabama A&M, it would have PAID OFF BIG to have a QB doing the run-pass option. Time, after time, after time, there were DE's crashing in to get to the RB. There were so many opportunities where if our QB had running ability, he could've taken off around the DE for a significant pickup of yards.
That play you just analyzed was one example (only difference is the WR wouldn't be waiting for a pass in the hashes, he'd be blocking). That DE was too aggressive going to get the RB. If Watson had speed and running ability, he probably runs in for a TD.
MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. GIVE PETER COSTELLI SOME RPO PACKAGE PLAYS!!!!!
|
|
|
Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 12, 2022 11:01:21 GMT -6
^^^^That's why I don't make my fortune as a coach. I call the strong side the side with the greater amount of turf between the ball and the sideline. Now that we have this cleared up, I am genuinely interested in some of ya'lls insight that do coach. 1. Who was responsible to block the guy that made the sack? 2. If it's a pass, why pull the guards? On play action, you pull the guards to sell the run more. This video looks similar to what we ran but almost like we pulled to the wrong side. Based on the video you just shared, Watson should of seen the DE coming from his backside and handed the ball off. I get what you say about Watson having speed and making the DE miss and run for a touchdown, but I would guess there are some DE you can’t make miss. Also, if the backside DE is untouched by design, why not have the RB pick him up? In our play however, both DE we’re coming.. one unopposed and one beat his guy.
|
|
|
Post by saintflorian on Sept 12, 2022 13:33:53 GMT -6
If Watson had speed and running ability, he probably runs in for a TD.
MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. GIVE PETER COSTELLI SOME RPO PACKAGE PLAYS!!!!!
Smart and correct.
|
|
|
Post by foulpolephenom on Sept 12, 2022 13:38:21 GMT -6
One thing I've noticed... against Ole Miss and Alabama A&M, it would have PAID OFF BIG to have a QB doing the run-pass option. Time, after time, after time, there were DE's crashing in to get to the RB. There were so many opportunities where if our QB had running ability, he could've taken off around the DE for a significant pickup of yards.
That play you just analyzed was one example (only difference is the WR wouldn't be waiting for a pass in the hashes, he'd be blocking). That DE was too aggressive going to get the RB. If Watson had speed and running ability, he probably runs in for a TD.
MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. GIVE PETER COSTELLI SOME RPO PACKAGE PLAYS!!!!!
Watson never saw it, so no chance he would have been able to run. But these kind of plays have happened to even the best QBs of all time. Even Tom Brady and Peyton Manning took a blind side hit every now and then.
|
|
|
Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Sept 12, 2022 14:22:04 GMT -6
One thing I've noticed... against Ole Miss and Alabama A&M, it would have PAID OFF BIG to have a QB doing the run-pass option. Time, after time, after time, there were DE's crashing in to get to the RB. There were so many opportunities where if our QB had running ability, he could've taken off around the DE for a significant pickup of yards.
That play you just analyzed was one example (only difference is the WR wouldn't be waiting for a pass in the hashes, he'd be blocking). That DE was too aggressive going to get the RB. If Watson had speed and running ability, he probably runs in for a TD.
MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. GIVE PETER COSTELLI SOME RPO PACKAGE PLAYS!!!!!
This guy gets it! We are so predictable right now.
|
|
|
Post by TroyFootball05 on Sept 12, 2022 14:31:15 GMT -6
One thing I've noticed... against Ole Miss and Alabama A&M, it would have PAID OFF BIG to have a QB doing the run-pass option. Time, after time, after time, there were DE's crashing in to get to the RB. There were so many opportunities where if our QB had running ability, he could've taken off around the DE for a significant pickup of yards.
That play you just analyzed was one example (only difference is the WR wouldn't be waiting for a pass in the hashes, he'd be blocking). That DE was too aggressive going to get the RB. If Watson had speed and running ability, he probably runs in for a TD.
MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. GIVE PETER COSTELLI SOME RPO PACKAGE PLAYS!!!!!
I haven't seen Peter play in practice, so I can't say for sure, but I get the feeling that his passing ability is not where it needs to be. He may need another year to be the guy. There should definitely be some packages designed for him this year though.
|
|
|
Post by troydadfl on Sept 12, 2022 14:55:49 GMT -6
One thing I've noticed... against Ole Miss and Alabama A&M, it would have PAID OFF BIG to have a QB doing the run-pass option. Time, after time, after time, there were DE's crashing in to get to the RB. There were so many opportunities where if our QB had running ability, he could've taken off around the DE for a significant pickup of yards.
That play you just analyzed was one example (only difference is the WR wouldn't be waiting for a pass in the hashes, he'd be blocking). That DE was too aggressive going to get the RB. If Watson had speed and running ability, he probably runs in for a TD.
MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. GIVE PETER COSTELLI SOME RPO PACKAGE PLAYS!!!!!
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hell give anyone else a chance ugh!
|
|
|
Post by joshboutwell on Sept 12, 2022 20:24:11 GMT -6
One thing I've noticed... against Ole Miss and Alabama A&M, it would have PAID OFF BIG to have a QB doing the run-pass option. Time, after time, after time, there were DE's crashing in to get to the RB. There were so many opportunities where if our QB had running ability, he could've taken off around the DE for a significant pickup of yards.
That play you just analyzed was one example (only difference is the WR wouldn't be waiting for a pass in the hashes, he'd be blocking). That DE was too aggressive going to get the RB. If Watson had speed and running ability, he probably runs in for a TD.
MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. GIVE PETER COSTELLI SOME RPO PACKAGE PLAYS!!!!!
I haven't seen Peter play in practice, so I can't say for sure, but I get the feeling that his passing ability is not where it needs to be. He may need another year to be the guy. There should definitely be some packages designed for him this year though. From my limited knowledge (of just watching, I'm by no means a coach), Costelli is just inconsistent right now and he relies on his legs probably a little too much even when it's not necessary. I do agree some RPO/option style packages with Costelli could definitely be a benefit and I think we will definitely see it at some point.
|
|
|
Post by pcbtrojan on Sept 14, 2022 11:15:38 GMT -6
Looks more like a quick slant/skinny post route should have run by the receiver at the top of the screenshot. Play action did its job bringing in the LB. Nothing but green grass to the goal line with inside leverage by the WR. Only way to stop it is a hold or pass interference. Typical N O Saints play with Brees & Colston inside the ten. Who knows.
|
|
|
Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 14, 2022 14:14:05 GMT -6
Looks more like a quick slant/skinny post route should have run by the receiver at the top of the screenshot. Play action did its job bringing in the LB. Nothing but green grass to the goal line with inside leverage by the WR. Only way to stop it is a hold or pass interference. Typical N O Saints play with Brees & Colston inside the ten. Who knows. Now this is an analysis! So you recognize the play, but can you tell us what went wrong?
|
|
|
Post by saintflorian on Sept 14, 2022 16:01:00 GMT -6
Looks more like a quick slant/skinny post route should have run by the receiver at the top of the screenshot. Play action did its job bringing in the LB. Nothing but green grass to the goal line with inside leverage by the WR. Only way to stop it is a hold or pass interference. Typical N O Saints play with Brees & Colston inside the ten. Who knows. Now this is an analysis! So you recognize the play, but can you tell us what went wrong? IMO, the coaching staff have to have a package of audibles in the game plan. And have to let the QB have the ability to check off and into an audible. And the QB has to recognize the defense and check off. And then execute.
|
|
|
Post by pcbtrojan on Sept 15, 2022 8:32:18 GMT -6
If the DE doesn't crash inside its six points. Gunnar was definitely looking at the top wide out hard. He saw the movement of the safeties. I tend to lean towards the WR going too deep in the route. If you look at the bottom you see a WR screen look which brought one of the Safeties over. The other bit hard on the play fake. The top WR can't see the DE crashing in, but he does see single coverage at the top. It's hard to say. It will be one of those issues that will get corrected as the season goes on. With a new offense players will pretty much be more methodical instead of reading and adjusting on the fly.
|
|
|
Post by TroyFootball05 on Sept 15, 2022 8:37:49 GMT -6
The bright side to last week's game is we saw a few receivers show what they can do. Johnson is going to be a beast the rest of the season, and Higgins showed he can be counted on. Rogers made a few plays and we already know about Barber. Hopefully we can work in Tez more. Tight ends caught 4 passes for 90 yards and TD.
|
|