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Post by buzzlightyear on Jun 30, 2022 6:28:28 GMT -6
Someone had asked where these JUCO guys in the middle of summer (one month to go before camp) came from since it so late. Very likely had to take a Mini-Juco two classes ( I think 6 hours available that way) or just had to have summer one session to become eligible to play D-I. There are guys now who are taking Summer II and trying to pass that to be eligible to come to any program by camp opening. Quite a few JUCO guys maybe pretty good ball players but not the best or most dedicated students. However, that does not mean that they can not settle down and play by having a little more effort in the study side. The NCAA now allows for guys to come out of HS with 2.3 in four core classes and that is about it. The standardized testing is no longer a mandatory requirement for DI eligiblity.
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Post by Mr E 205 Legion on Jun 30, 2022 7:19:10 GMT -6
Quite a few JUCO guys maybe pretty good ball players but not the best or most dedicated students. However, that does not mean that they can not settle down and play by having a little more effort in the study side. The NCAA now allows for guys to come out of HS with 2.3 in four core classes and that is about it. The standardized testing is no longer a mandatory requirement for DI eligiblity. PREACH IT! Today's players have nothing in common with previous generations of ballplayers in regards to academics. I could start with, "I remember when", but I will ONLY give one quick example in support of Buzzlightyear's observations and statement: A former student (one of the few that I would have liked to have at Troy, we HAVE gotten a few) struggled through high school and accepted a scholarship to an SEC school. Needless to say, I was worried about his potential for success, BUT upon his return home for a visit his first semester of college I inquired about his academics. His response was, "With all of the academic support programs available at a D-1 school there is NO WAY an individual cannot be successful!" So in regards to those individuals that had to take an alternate route to get HERE, WELCOME to Troy and YOUR future!! JUCO is in the rear view mirror and only a footnote of your History. Your future begins now. Speaking of footnotes ... the student mentioned above went on to a coaching career in the SEC and the SBC before his untimely death. He left a Legacy and is thought of often!
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Post by jonesoxygen on Jun 30, 2022 9:41:25 GMT -6
Someone had asked where these JUCO guys in the middle of summer (one month to go before camp) came from since it so late. Very likely had to take a Mini-Juco two classes ( I think 6 hours available that way) or just had to have summer one session to become eligible to play D-I. There are guys now who are taking Summer II and trying to pass that to be eligible to come to any program by camp opening. Quite a few JUCO guys maybe pretty good ball players but not the best or most dedicated students. However, that does not mean that they can not settle down and play by having a little more effort in the study side. The NCAA now allows for guys to come out of HS with 2.3 in four core classes and that is about it. The standardized testing is no longer a mandatory requirement for DI eligiblity. This fella knows what he is talking about.
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Post by trojantke on Jun 30, 2022 9:45:34 GMT -6
Sure is a lot of JUCO shaming for fans of a school that has seen guys like Damian Willis make their way from a metropolis like Scooba, MS and become one of the most dynamic players at his position that Troy has had in the D-1A era.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jun 30, 2022 10:25:00 GMT -6
Not JUCO shaming at all. In prehistoric times I was a JUCO player primarily due to injuries my junior and senior years in high school. The JUCO was Independence Kansas the one from Last Chance U fame. The place changed quite a bit from the Jurassic period when I was there. But I will tell you this...........it is hard for many JUCO guys (even with tutors and advisors) to apply skills they find totally new or even lack due to years of poor academic situations or effort. So, yes many can do it but there are those that just can't get over the hump.
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Post by trojantke on Jun 30, 2022 10:26:56 GMT -6
Not JUCO shaming at all. In prehistoric times I was a JUCO player primarily due to injuries my junior and senior years in high school. The JUCO was Independence Kansas the one from Last Chance U fame. The place changed quite a bit from the Jurassic period when I was there. But I will tell you this...........it is hard for many JUCO guys (even with tutors and advisors) to apply skills they find totally new or even lack due to years of poor academic situations or effort. So, yes many can do it but there are those that just can't get over the hump. I hope the coach's language was a little less...colorful when you were there than on the Netflix series. I could hardly stand to watch that season.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jun 30, 2022 11:27:10 GMT -6
Not JUCO shaming at all. In prehistoric times I was a JUCO player primarily due to injuries my junior and senior years in high school. The JUCO was Independence Kansas the one from Last Chance U fame. The place changed quite a bit from the Jurassic period when I was there. But I will tell you this...........it is hard for many JUCO guys (even with tutors and advisors) to apply skills they find totally new or even lack due to years of poor academic situations or effort. So, yes many can do it but there are those that just can't get over the hump. I hope the coach's language was a little less...colorful when you were there than on the Netflix series. I could hardly stand to watch that season. Strangely the Netflix guy was much more like my high school coach. My coach there did not cuss….maybe a rare dang damn mix word but just did not cuss so it was a giant relief to me. I too found coach Brown disgusting and did not watch all of it.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Jun 30, 2022 12:45:40 GMT -6
I didn’t play college ball, but I am a proud Alumnus of Wallace State Community College. I drove there from Troy every day for two years after Troy told me to kick rocks.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Jun 30, 2022 12:52:45 GMT -6
Not JUCO shaming at all. In prehistoric times I was a JUCO player primarily due to injuries my junior and senior years in high school. The JUCO was Independence Kansas the one from Last Chance U fame. The place changed quite a bit from the Jurassic period when I was there. But I will tell you this...........it is hard for many JUCO guys (even with tutors and advisors) to apply skills they find totally new or even lack due to years of poor academic situations or effort. So, yes many can do it but there are those that just can't get over the hump. I remember from the show that the school president said there were no players on scholarship. Was it that way in your time?
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Post by joshboutwell on Jun 30, 2022 14:58:24 GMT -6
JUCO is a place where a team like Troy can grab some diamonds that at one time may have gone elsewhere. A lot of the "bigger" schools that would have been reaching to the JUCO levels to fill holes in their roster are looking to other FBS schools now, because of the portal. That leaves some extremely talented players at the JUCO level looking for homes longer than maybe they would have in the past. One thing to note is that Cole Popovich, who almost all of them have pointed to as being a reason for them coming, coached at two JUCOs in California and is a native of California. Of the five JUCO linemen that committed this week, four are Cali JUCO players. He seems to be using his connections in that respect. Would love to do a story there but I've "interviewed" him in the past and IDK how many one and two-word answers I could form a story into lol
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Post by Troystet on Jun 30, 2022 15:06:36 GMT -6
Hope these guys work out. I am not a big fan of juco players because I coached HS ball for several years and you go juco 99% of the time for two reasons 1) Grades 2) Off Field Issues
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jun 30, 2022 15:11:52 GMT -6
Not JUCO shaming at all. In prehistoric times I was a JUCO player primarily due to injuries my junior and senior years in high school. The JUCO was Independence Kansas the one from Last Chance U fame. The place changed quite a bit from the Jurassic period when I was there. But I will tell you this...........it is hard for many JUCO guys (even with tutors and advisors) to apply skills they find totally new or even lack due to years of poor academic situations or effort. So, yes many can do it but there are those that just can't get over the hump. I remember from the show that the school president said there were no players on scholarship. Was it that way in your time? Cheap in those days but there were scholarships. Not sure how many there were in those days. There were limits to how many out of state guys and now that is gone so very few Kansas kids on the team. Truly think it is much more cannon fodder at a cost to the kid these days.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Jun 30, 2022 15:15:30 GMT -6
As Josh said, the portal really has changed the plans of some schools. No longer will DI schools have to sit on a scholarship to see if someone becomes eligible. So, again as he said the quality of player after Summer I or Ii just went up.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Jun 30, 2022 15:40:52 GMT -6
We currently have 35 players on the roster that are listed as freshman. That's exactly one third of our roster. There is no reason to think we are not signing freshman or that we are lacking in that department.
11 players have entered the transfer portal since T-Day. Nine of them were signed before this recruiting cycle, and have been around the program for one or more seasons. Two or three of them were JUCO / Transfer guys. Genuine question. Why would we fill roster spots left by players that have been around the program for a while with more players direct from high school?
Doubtful that there are very many good high school players even available this time of year. Very few, if any, I'd imagine, won't come with some kind of catch. Waiting until the next signing class and not filling out the roster, or grabbing a few more walk-ons instead doesn't sound like a great idea to me. Not seeing the logic here.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Jun 30, 2022 19:06:54 GMT -6
There are what, 125 FCS teams in the country with roster limits of 105 per team (somebody correct me if my numbers are wrong). You can do that calculus any way you choose, but there a finite number spots available and almost an infinite number of guys to fill them. Realistically, there are a large number of those guys that we have little to no chance of signing. That will leave, however, a large quantity of players that didn't get offers from the college football "elites". What we must do is find the undersized (C Martial), undiscovered (W Choloh), and transfer (L Brown) players that will fit our system, help our team, and that WANT to be TROJANS. When we do that, I don't think it matters whether they come from JUCO, a top level HS program, or Pansy, AL (if you know, you know), we will be a better team. We do not need to build a team of JUCO, or any other kind of transfers, but we have holes that need to be filled today, with young men who have some experience and have the size to make a difference. If we can shore up the O Line by signing 5 JUCO transfers now, and recruiting 5 to replace them in the next years, I'm OK with it.
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Post by chasin170 on Jul 1, 2022 5:38:09 GMT -6
5 JUCO OL are not signed to fill in the second team line. These guys are signed in to BLOCK and increase much needed physicality.Most High school enrollees are not physical enough to help set that tone.
Run First is here……Hide the wife and kids
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Post by trojantke on Jul 1, 2022 7:51:47 GMT -6
Run first, pass first, summersault first, I do not care, as long as we come in first at the end of the season.
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Post by saintflorian on Jul 8, 2022 8:01:27 GMT -6
5 JUCO OL are not signed to fill in the second team line. These guys are signed in to BLOCK and increase much needed physicality.Most High school enrollees are not physical enough to help set that tone. Run First is here……Hide the wife and kids You sir nailed it. Think HCJS was at first looking to add depth but then figured he needed some upgrades.
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Post by Troy_Fan_15 on Jul 12, 2022 8:43:17 GMT -6
Run first, pass first, summersault first, I do not care, as long as we come in first at the end of the season. Exactly! Whatever it takes to get back to winning SBC championships.
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Post by trojanmatt on Jul 12, 2022 20:09:31 GMT -6
I personally don’t care where the players come from as long as we win! HCJS says he has a five year plan but wants to win now! That’s what I want. I don’t care if a player comes from the Alabama School For the Deaf and Blind as long as they help us win!
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Post by Troystet on Jul 14, 2022 11:37:00 GMT -6
I don’t care if a player comes from the Alabama School For the Deaf and Blind
I agree, unfortunately we hired our last HC from that school I believe lol
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Post by trojanmatt on Jul 14, 2022 13:00:05 GMT -6
Stet, I will not validate that last comment , I prefer to never see that idiot or hear from him again. Pun intended .
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