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Post by Mr E 205 Legion on Oct 30, 2021 11:41:50 GMT -6
I think the last post about recruiting was the first week of September. As an educator I realize how QUICK the days are passing this fall despite how slow they might seem while experiencing THIS football season! We are 46 days away from the early signing date for football which brings up TWO concerns for me.
1) CURRENT recruiting ... What are we doing? Has this football staff focused any on recruiting OR are we waiting for recruits to recruit themselves? What is the story with David Duggan, Director of Recruiting, is he doing anything? I am becoming concerned that this football staff is so busy packing their bags we will not need to worry about having a NSD event in Troy!
2) The dirty words, "Transfer Portal" ... IF we can make a coaching change QUICK ENOUGH and select someone that will excite (bet NO FOOTBALL PLAYER has ever used that word when describing (The HC we don’t speak of)) the current members of our program WILL that be enough to CLOSE the revolving door? Personally, if my memory is correct, I think we have very few seniors this year. MAYBE IF we can convince the current student-athletes to stay the course with Troy, the current perceived lack of recruiting can be minimized and we can search for a select few key pieces that we are missing. ALSO, it would provide the opportunity to focus on instilling things like Leadership - Character - Discipline that we see need attention, instead of teaching the fundamentals of football and our system.
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Post by trojanmatt on Oct 30, 2021 15:01:08 GMT -6
I saw some recruits going to the facilities to watch the Liberty game but the key to getting them excited to come to Troy is winning! If a recruit watched the games this season I don’t know how they would want to come here based on our performance. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that we have lost at least 3 of the four games perhaps even 4 of 4 due to poor planning, poor play calling , poor execution and poor coaching!
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Post by Mr. Ho on Oct 30, 2021 15:14:15 GMT -6
This...Forget the current contract, it will make the next one more taxing on the school. We essentially lose two years of recruiting if we don't do something, minus transfer portal loses...the next coach will need at least five years to recover.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Oct 30, 2021 16:35:43 GMT -6
This...Forget the current contract, it will make the next one more taxing on the school. We essentially lose two years of recruiting if we don't do something, minus transfer portal loses...the next coach will need at least five years to recover. Ho not be wrong! The hole dug is a bad one. It will be at least a 5 year build (with portal and excitement magically) 3 minimum.
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Post by trojanmatt on Oct 30, 2021 16:36:57 GMT -6
Recruiting has been about the only thing that (The HC we don’t speak of) has done a halfway decent job of! If we can get someone quickly who knows what theyâre doing I think we can keep the nucleus of what we have together! Our biggest recruit for next year will more than likely be a quarterback!
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Post by saintflorian on Oct 31, 2021 8:10:32 GMT -6
Everyone, Everyone has proclaimed we have the talent to win and win big. CL has brought in good talent. The foundation is there
You get a coach in with passion, good attitude, desire, good scheme and a proven program builder, it will be no where near a 5 year rebuild.
5 years is way off. Look at a prime example in Troy. Neal Brown turned Troy into a Sunbelt and P5 giant killer in way less than 5 years. And the program he took over was in shambles.
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Post by cornhole on Oct 31, 2021 8:48:19 GMT -6
Everyone, Everyone has proclaimed we have the talent to win and win big. CL has brought in good talent. The foundation is there You get a coach in with passion, good attitude, desire, good scheme and a proven program builder, it will be no where near a 5 year rebuild. 5 years is way off. Look at a prime example in Troy. Neal Brown turned Troy into a Sunbelt and P5 giant killer in way less than 5 years. And the program he took over was in shambles. Yep, this. But, and a big but. The Transfer Portal was not the factor when HCNB took over. A huge factor in today's game. As cornhole stated previously, "The Portal giveth, and the Portal taketh. "
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Post by Mr. Ho on Oct 31, 2021 9:55:04 GMT -6
Everyone, Everyone has proclaimed we have the talent to win and win big. CL has brought in good talent. The foundation is there You get a coach in with passion, good attitude, desire, good scheme and a proven program builder, it will be no where near a 5 year rebuild. 5 years is way off. Look at a prime example in Troy. Neal Brown turned Troy into a Sunbelt and P5 giant killer in way less than 5 years. And the program he took over was in shambles. Yep, this. But, and a big but. The Transfer Portal was not the factor when HCNB took over. A huge factor in today's game. As cornhole stated previously, "The Portal giveth, and the Portal taketh. " Yes, and we've done exceptionally well with that. The portal has taken Marcus Jones and given us Powell. Thats not a very good trade off. Tez Johnson will be a hot commodity this winter. I'd hate to see who we get in return.
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Post by cornhole on Nov 1, 2021 15:43:41 GMT -6
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Post by troyjan95 on Nov 1, 2021 19:57:06 GMT -6
Myles should go somewhere else. Over rated in Louisiana - just like Powell in Arkansas
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Post by troyjan95 on Nov 1, 2021 20:09:59 GMT -6
2 Recruits - really? Why is this guy still here? As stated in another thread, we must not have the frigging money. $h!+ = how much will it take? 247sports.com/college/troy/Season/2022-Football/Commits/Hard Commits (2) Pos Ht / Wt Rating Status Blake Matthews Blake Matthews Bremen (Bremen, GA) 6-3 / 200 0.8153 NA 147 134 Commit 7/30/2021 ATH Kyler Gibson Kyler Gibson Munford (Munford, AL) 6-5 / 205 NA NA NA NA Commit 7/21/2021
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Post by trojanmatt on Nov 1, 2021 20:31:24 GMT -6
(The HC we don’t speak of) has been able to sell to all the recruits that Year 1 was rebuilding derailed by year 2 Covid. Now his coaching flaws are showing up even more now in year 3 and no matter how nice (The HC we don’t speak of) is in the living room , players want to win and they are not attracted to Troy because we are not winning! He needs to go soon so we can keep the players we have and get some new commits
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 1, 2021 20:35:32 GMT -6
Well look at it this way. If (The HC we don’t speak of) were to still be our figure head in mid-December we would not have to listen to his dribble long at signing day wrap up. Yep recruiting this year is shot. Our saving grace was the extra year everyone was given. Yes others will get an advantage but is not as bad as it could have been. We need a new coach but for now to NOT RUSH OR (The HC we don’t speak of) IT. Please just make Brandon (letâs go Brandonâ¦..Hall) interim head coach as soon as possible.
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Post by troyjan95 on Nov 15, 2021 14:48:11 GMT -6
We currently sit at #144. Enough is enough. I am now officially in the boat of not buying season tickets if (The HC we don’t speak of) is our Coach.
I may end up in the Transfer portal. I am thinking UGA, Cincinnati and all of the military academies to give my fan spirit too.
Navy is in the lead with Army a close second.
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Post by TroyFootball05 on Nov 15, 2021 15:02:38 GMT -6
While I share your disdain for (The HC we don’t speak of), I'm not sure we still have someone on staff at 247 updating recruiting. That doesn't mean we have more than two recruits, but it does mean that if we don't, and there are more than two, 247 will be slow to update. Someone on this board used to do it, maybe still does? I'm not sure, but let's wait until the early signing period to see what we end up with.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 15, 2021 15:43:48 GMT -6
Also when (praying) we get another HC I hope it is someone that didn't have ties to how we use to do things and use CAMPS for what they are intended for (one tool of many to get players on campus for evaluations) and stop using them as 90% of your recruiting. Look at App and Coastal and how they have expanded their recruiting base and look at the Top tier P5 programs like Bama, Ohio St etc. They are signing players from 10 plus states every year. We have to expand our base or be left in the dust. If we don't recruit AL, GA, MS, all of FL, LA, TX, SC, NC, TN and KY-OH we are not going to compete. Get aggressive or settle for 5-7 and 6-6
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 15, 2021 16:51:43 GMT -6
We currently sit at #144. Enough is enough. I am now officially in the boat of not buying season tickets if (The HC we don’t speak of) is our Coach.
I may end up in the Transfer portal. I am thinking UGA, Cincinnati and all of the military academies to give my fan spirit too.
Navy is in the lead with Army a close second.
Any time you have people on podcasts who talk college football are saying your teams coach is NOT good and an entire fan base who agrees (except for TrueChipFan) it tends to decrease most kids desire to come to that school when they have no idea who the next coach is going to be. Most schools who go thru this experience this lost year of recruiting. IT IS A LOSS NO MATTER WHAT WE DO NOW. Florida is having a terrible recruiting year and just how hard should it be to recruit there? When the poop is hitting the fan it is hard to not appreciate that most intelligent beings would like to not stand in front of that fan. Plus (The HC we don’t speak of) truly is not a good coach.
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Post by trojanmatt on Nov 15, 2021 18:32:48 GMT -6
I just listened to Trojan talk and (The HC we don’t speak of) shows no indication of not being here next year , he was talking about having to recruit a bigger offensive line! Maybe he shouldâve already done that! I really had hoped that somehow Barry would be talking to Brent about who our next coach will be! Maybe next week!
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Nov 15, 2021 19:43:40 GMT -6
If a new coach comes in and loses, but it’s obvious that the players are disciplined student athletes, I think I would allow more time to become a winner. At least that’s the way my opinion would go.
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Post by trojanocean on Nov 15, 2021 19:52:06 GMT -6
I just listened to Trojan talk and (The HC we don’t speak of) shows no indication of not being here next year , he was talking about having to recruit a bigger offensive line! Maybe he shouldâve already done that! I really had hoped that somehow Barry would be talking to Brent about who our next coach will be! Maybe next week! They're not going to show their cards in any way, shape, or form. He might get vibes that the head honchos are not happy but I can't imagine a scenario where (The HC we don’t speak of) would be solidly in the know of his dismissal until the moment he's told "you're fired" and so obviously he's going to continue to plan and scheme for the future. We're trying to read tea leaves of the leadership's mindset on this but beyond it being interesting chatter for board members, it's all moot and we won't really know until the axe is readied at the trunk. We might have a high degree of confidence that it's taking place in the 24-48 hrs of chatter and activity before it actually happens but putting faith in anything anyone says before that from rumor and innuendo is just for giggles. Of course, knowing they are keeping him for sure is even more of a crapshoot to know unless they come out with a contract extension announcement or some such written agreement/validation that isn't just "we're staying the course" lip service. I'm ready to know their next move but...it'll all come out in the wash. Me worrying over it is a waste of my time until there's something to know. Again, beyond it just being fun and interesting to talk about.
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Post by Trojan Warrior on Nov 15, 2021 22:00:50 GMT -6
2 Recruits - really? Why is this guy still here? As stated in another thread, we must not have the frigging money. $h!+ = how much will it take? 247sports.com/college/troy/Season/2022-Football/Commits/Hard Commits (2) Pos Ht / Wt Rating Status Blake Matthews Blake Matthews Bremen (Bremen, GA) 6-3 / 200 0.8153 NA 147 134 Commit 7/30/2021 ATH Kyler Gibson Kyler Gibson Munford (Munford, AL) 6-5 / 205 NA NA NA NA Commit 7/21/2021 For several years I worked directly with a 247 Sports admin to keep Troy’s recruiting page up to date. I stopped, and no one is updating it now. So, I wouldn’t consider anything up to date until signing day.
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Post by trojan2003 on Nov 15, 2021 23:56:52 GMT -6
While I share your disdain for (The HC we don’t speak of), I'm not sure we still have someone on staff at 247 updating recruiting. That doesn't mean we have more than two recruits, but it does mean that if we don't, and there are more than two, 247 will be slow to update. Someone on this board used to do it, maybe still does? I'm not sure, but let's wait until the early signing period to see what we end up with. Recruits announce their commitments on Twitter, you donât really need 247 for this. However, I just canât find any current commitments related to Troy Football (Twitter). Btw, I saw that we are recruiting Caleb Nix (Boâs younger brother). He is not highly ranked though.
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Post by troyjan95 on Nov 16, 2021 7:15:32 GMT -6
While I share your disdain for (The HC we don’t speak of), I'm not sure we still have someone on staff at 247 updating recruiting. That doesn't mean we have more than two recruits, but it does mean that if we don't, and there are more than two, 247 will be slow to update. Someone on this board used to do it, maybe still does? I'm not sure, but let's wait until the early signing period to see what we end up with. Recruits announce their commitments on Twitter, you donât really need 247 for this. However, I just canât find any current commitments related to Troy Football (Twitter). Btw, I saw that we are recruiting Caleb Nix (Boâs younger brother). He is not highly ranked though. Understand. Take it (247) for what it's worth - which isn't much obviously. However, I have not heard much of anything related to recruiting and I know Coaches are not allowed to comment as I understand per NCAA rules. At any rate, somebody has recruiting information. I do hope and pray we are ahead of what is shown on 247
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Post by buzzlightyear on Nov 16, 2021 7:58:32 GMT -6
If we wind up BEST RECRUITING class ever one of two things has occurred. .1) (The HC we don’t speak of) is a genius at recruiting .2) (The HC we don’t speak of) is a genius at finding players that don't read twitter or watch college football programs or read fan message boards. .. Yep that sums it up.
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Post by Troystet on Nov 16, 2021 8:41:19 GMT -6
We currently sit at #144. Enough is enough. I am now officially in the boat of not buying season tickets if (The HC we don’t speak of) is our Coach.
I may end up in the Transfer portal. I am thinking UGA, Cincinnati and all of the military academies to give my fan spirit too.
Navy is in the lead with Army a close second.
ChipPic2 We need him in the transfer portal
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