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Post by peewee26 on Sept 29, 2019 11:43:21 GMT -6
I don't mean specifically calling out a player by name. But saying "the secondary sucks" and "our DBs are horrible" IS taking pot shots at players! Those are individual people, named or not! You guys keep bringing up how much money the coach makes. That huge dollar investment is ALL THE MORE REASON to give support and a fighting chance!!! Why on Earth would we collectively buy tickets, shirts, concessions, tuition, etc., only to tear it down and add pessimism and negativity to the program?? Can you not see how assinign that thinking is??? And I couldn't disagree more that taking trash (about the team we cheer for and "support") is a part of it!! That's something that YOU have accepted. Not me! It's anti productive to the desired outcome. Why would I talk trash about my own coach who is still instilling his program?? Is there a gas leak where you are?? We do agree that this year's standards are not what we're used to. You think NE isn't used to standards? They had a rough first year with their coaching change. I could list other schools but you get my point; even the most established programs who go through changes have temporary declines. THAT is typical. I DON'T LIKE TO LOSE!! However, that was a very exciting game! You are all acting like we lost that game 50 to 0!! The fact is that we came SO CLOSE to winning! Two separate drives had TD passes that should have been caught. I saw as many offensive mistakes as defensive and could have easily made all the difference to get us a W. But we are by no means inept!! I don't think we are in danger of running people off yet. The games aren't boring and we aren't getting blown out. Far too soon to be so paranoid. You're wasting your breath, man. Decisions have been reached, minds made up. If we were to win out, and next year go 14-0 with a NY 6 Bowl and a final top 15 ranking, there would be either no comments by some or there would be complaints about the plays we ran to get there. Then, the first time we had a game in which we either score late or stopped our opponent late to win, there would once again be the contention that CCL and his staff are not who we need. For some the desire to be right is greater than the desire to be objective. That's my rant. now comes my analysis. To this point, the defense hasn't been good. Last night, the offense, though explosive and though they scored enough that victory shouldn't have been in question, failed to execute in some key situations. They failed to complete several drives, dropping some critical passes, some of which would have almost certainly resulted in TDs. I question the decision (not sure who made it) to run the final play on third down rather than spike the ball and get things set up. I questioned us not getting that last time out back after the stAte player went down. With that, I'll repeat something I said in an earlier thread. I doubt anyone on here was the best widget maker their widget making profession had ever seen 6 months into their tenure. Bubba, great analysis. I wondered abt the TO (and not getting it back - but don’t know the rules there). And I’d say of the incompletions - man, several were ball position - several were just drops. Another bright spot that I forgot to mention - Carlton Martial... that kid has heart and football knowledge. My dad - forgive him, he’s 75 - calls him “that little guy with the big heart”. So when he got that INT, my dad asked “was that my little guy??” We’re both big fans of him and his play.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 29, 2019 11:45:57 GMT -6
I don't mean specifically calling out a player by name. But saying "the secondary sucks" and "our DBs are horrible" IS taking pot shots at players! Those are individual people, named or not! You guys keep bringing up how much money the coach makes. That huge dollar investment is ALL THE MORE REASON to give support and a fighting chance!!! Why on Earth would we collectively buy tickets, shirts, concessions, tuition, etc., only to tear it down and add pessimism and negativity to the program?? Can you not see how assinign that thinking is??? And I couldn't disagree more that taking trash (about the team we cheer for and "support") is a part of it!! That's something that YOU have accepted. Not me! It's anti productive to the desired outcome. Why would I talk trash about my own coach who is still instilling his program?? Is there a gas leak where you are?? We do agree that this year's standards are not what we're used to. You think NE isn't used to standards? They had a rough first year with their coaching change. I could list other schools but you get my point; even the most established programs who go through changes have temporary declines. THAT is typical. I DON'T LIKE TO LOSE!! However, that was a very exciting game! You are all acting like we lost that game 50 to 0!! The fact is that we came SO CLOSE to winning! Two separate drives had TD passes that should have been caught. I saw as many offensive mistakes as defensive and could have easily made all the difference to get us a W. But we are by no means inept!! I don't think we are in danger of running people off yet. The games aren't boring and we aren't getting blown out. Far too soon to be so paranoid. You're wasting your breath, man. Decisions have been reached, minds made up. If we were to win out, and next year go 14-0 with a NY 6 Bowl and a final top 15 ranking, there would be either no comments by some or there would be complaints about the plays we ran to get there. Then, the first time we had a game in which we either score late or stopped our opponent late to win, there would once again be the contention that CCL and his staff are not who we need. For some the desire to be right is greater than the desire to be objective. That's my rant. now comes my analysis. To this point, the defense hasn't been good. Last night, the offense, though explosive and though they scored enough that victory shouldn't have been in question, failed to execute in some key situations. They failed to complete several drives, dropping some critical passes, some of which would have almost certainly resulted in TDs. I question the decision (not sure who made it) to run the final play on third down rather than spike the ball and get things set up. I questioned us not getting that last time out back after the stAte player went down. With that, I'll repeat something I said in an earlier thread. I doubt anyone on here was the best widget maker their widget making profession had ever seen 6 months into their tenure. So we shouldn’t have widget makers with only 6 months experience anywhere near an FBS program. This ain’t aww shucks play for fun football.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 30, 2019 5:58:31 GMT -6
You're wasting your breath, man. Decisions have been reached, minds made up. If we were to win out, and next year go 14-0 with a NY 6 Bowl and a final top 15 ranking, there would be either no comments by some or there would be complaints about the plays we ran to get there. Then, the first time we had a game in which we either score late or stopped our opponent late to win, there would once again be the contention that CCL and his staff are not who we need. For some the desire to be right is greater than the desire to be objective. That's my rant. now comes my analysis. To this point, the defense hasn't been good. Last night, the offense, though explosive and though they scored enough that victory shouldn't have been in question, failed to execute in some key situations. They failed to complete several drives, dropping some critical passes, some of which would have almost certainly resulted in TDs. I question the decision (not sure who made it) to run the final play on third down rather than spike the ball and get things set up. I questioned us not getting that last time out back after the stAte player went down. With that, I'll repeat something I said in an earlier thread. I doubt anyone on here was the best widget maker their widget making profession had ever seen 6 months into their tenure. So we shouldn’t have widget makers with only 6 months experience anywhere near an FBS program. This ain’t aww shucks play for fun football. Yeah, I guess you’re right. We haven’t had success in hiring head coaches without experience since, I don’t know, our previous two hires? Neither CLB or CNB had head coaching experience, and both did ok, after being allowed to cut their teeth and grow. As much as I’d like it to be, TROY is not now, nor will it be in my lifetime, a destination school for football coaches. If we are fortunate and do a really good job, we will find lightning in a bottle like we did with the two guys previously mentioned. Just don’t forget, for lightning to occur, enough time has to pass to allow the static charge to build up.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 30, 2019 7:07:09 GMT -6
So we shouldn’t have widget makers with only 6 months experience anywhere near an FBS program. This ain’t aww shucks play for fun football. Yeah, I guess you’re right. We haven’t had success in hiring head coaches without experience since, I don’t know, our previous two hires? Neither CLB or CNB had head coaching experience, and both did ok, after being allowed to cut their teeth and grow. As much as I’d like it to be, TROY is not now, nor will it be in my lifetime, a destination school for football coaches. If we are fortunate and do a really good job, we will find lightning in a bottle like we did with the two guys previously mentioned. Just don’t forget, for lightning to occur, enough time has to pass to allow the static charge to build up. so it is kind of like farts? Brain or otherwise?
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 30, 2019 7:15:00 GMT -6
I am sitting in the stands and we have a package with Weldon where we run most of the time but started to pass some off it. Good idea. However, when in that package and we send 3 receivers out a deep throw over the middle will have a safety that is free in the middle. That is not a good play. I know Khalil is a good receiver but it has to be a pattern that is going to the outside deep so the safety who is free does not interfere OUR plans. The crossbuck sort of running play at the 1/2 yard line to a back with safety is also not a good call. Overall a keyboard coach is not a good judge. I know both of those plays were like the lightning thing afore mentioned. It built up a then poof it is there and did not turn out well. The missed assignments in D back field are not build ups. They are simply the silent but deadly type. They seem to just happen quite frequently and when you really don't want them to happen. Then you are as sorry as heck that they do. Plus they kind of smell things up. The good news is that overtime I think those young guys will get better. Till then (e.g. this coming weekend) lets just cheer even if there is the occasional smelly one.
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Post by troyfan on Sept 30, 2019 8:32:38 GMT -6
We've all been here before and I found the best way to deal with these situations is every game day grab an alcoholic beverage of your choice and starting drinking as to numb the impending pain and disappointment. It's going to be a long, bumpy season but look on the bright side... basketball is around the corner and we can't be much worse at that sport. Well we have a new coach there also so, according to this board, it seems to be ok to expect mediocrity in times of transition. No winning expectations in your first year.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Sept 30, 2019 9:25:32 GMT -6
I do know were a much better team in late November than we were in September. Yep. Also, we have not lost a game that we were not in contention/leading late. We will start winning those. Vic took the top talent with him. The current defense is the result of coaching moves and the transfer portal. Anybody not happy with 6-6 and a bowl game after a HUGE coaching move is on bath salts.
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Post by Hemi Man on Sept 30, 2019 10:31:37 GMT -6
I do know were a much better team in late November than we were in September. Yep. Also, we have not lost a game that we were not in contention/leading late. We will start winning those. Vic took the top talent with him. The current defense is the result of coaching moves and the transfer portal. Anybody not happy with 6-6 and a bowl game after a HUGE coaching move is on bath salts. I would say minimum of 8 wins. The schedule sets up too nicely for anything less. Also you have to look at App St in the same situation and they are currently performing much better.
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Post by Troystet on Sept 30, 2019 10:32:13 GMT -6
I do know were a much better team in late November than we were in September. Yep. Also, we have not lost a game that we were not in contention/leading late. We will start winning those. Vic took the top talent with him. The current defense is the result of coaching moves and the transfer portal. Anybody not happy with 6-6 and a bowl game after a HUGE coaching move is on bath salts. Well Ark St didn't subscribe to that theory after three coaching changes
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Post by skeeter on Sept 30, 2019 10:40:04 GMT -6
Neal Brown built leadership and when he moved on to WV that leadership was graduating. Talent we have, but the biggest problem is leadership has not step up for some reason. That would be the first thing I would focus on and then accountability starting with the coaches. If you can’t contain these two item, the Wall my fall.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 30, 2019 11:49:03 GMT -6
One thing not covered so far as a fan is out running game. We have 4 returning starters and Dylan played a bunch when cromitae was having snapping problems or filling in elsewhere. So the only real difference is a really good back that DK has done pretty well but BJ was really really good and then Kaleb is not running as he did last year for two reasons: DONT do it because we do count on him and he has that massive protection of his leg that really makes literally limp. So all in all instead of a big timer we have a pretty good one and not much of a QB threat to run. Running game makes passing game easier and takes more time.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 30, 2019 11:50:19 GMT -6
Thus defense more rest time and that gives better pass rush and coverage
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Post by crawlspace13 on Sept 30, 2019 12:23:41 GMT -6
I don't mean specifically calling out a player by name. But saying "the secondary sucks" and "our DBs are horrible" IS taking pot shots at players! Those are individual people, named or not! Just to offer a bit of a counter, these are young men, not children. They're performing on a public stage, a good number of them with aspirations of playing professionally (realistic or not). If they can't handle criticism when it's deserved, if they sulk because their feelings were hurt rather than being motivated to prove others wrong and improve, they've got more issues than not tackling well. Coaching staff, too, because blame lies with them also. Now, that doesn't mean break them down with negativity. They all deserve praise for giving 100% until the whistle blew. But they were missing assignments all night. Tackling in some cases was awful (fundamentals please), the offensive line I'm still not sure about. If Barker wasn't as mobile as he is, the scores would be a lot worse. Don't ever call a run out of the endzone again. That was boneheaded. Defense made some great stands, but is widely inconsistent. And the secondary is currently awful. That's just a fact. Praise and criticism go together. If they want praise, they need to handle criticism also.
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Post by dedicatedtrojan84 on Sept 30, 2019 12:26:36 GMT -6
Everybody needs to chill.
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Post by bilible on Sept 30, 2019 13:06:46 GMT -6
while everyone makes good points from their own perspectives, it is still extremely frustrating to watch the opponents play catch all evening as our players stand and observe from a distance.
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Post by ksdtrojan on Sept 30, 2019 13:13:12 GMT -6
Neal Brown built leadership and when he moved on to WV that leadership was graduating. Talent we have, but the biggest problem is leadership has not step up for some reason. That would be the first thing I would focus on and then accountability starting with the coaches. If you can’t contain these two item, the Wall my fall. Leadership breeds leadership.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 30, 2019 13:33:33 GMT -6
Everybody needs to chill. I'm chilling like December 14, 1996.
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Post by cornhole on Sept 30, 2019 16:21:52 GMT -6
Everybody needs to chill. > 5pm. Cornhole start chill
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Post by peewee26 on Oct 1, 2019 20:00:55 GMT -6
while everyone makes good points from their own perspectives, it is still extremely frustrating to watch the opponents play catch all evening as our players stand and observe from a distance. as a former 4 Year Troy STATE starter at DB... this made me belly laugh. Game recognize game. Fuuuuuunny
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Post by peewee26 on Oct 1, 2019 20:09:52 GMT -6
Just for the record... seems me that some are confusing patience for acceptance of mediocrity. I do not accept mediocrity - too much pride in our beloved TROY program for that; however, I do believe in patience. I’m hoping the changes are coming and the kids stay bought in. They did play 💯 through the last play - that was evident - several posters here have mentioned that effort. I hope that I’m not being Polly Anna. Because, the need for urgency in implementing changes and improvements increases with each day. The season is finite.
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