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Jan 4, 2019 15:14:19 GMT -6
Post by trojan2003 on Jan 4, 2019 15:14:19 GMT -6
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Jan 4, 2019 16:15:00 GMT -6
If we somehow allowed his buyout to drop from 3m to 300k, then somebody needs to answer to Dear Leader ASAP. I doubt we dropped the ball this bad.
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Jan 4, 2019 17:05:23 GMT -6
Post by halligan on Jan 4, 2019 17:05:23 GMT -6
Koenning, who coaches safeties, may intrigue WVU. A former head coach at Wyoming, he's been a success as an assistant at Clemson and Kansas State as well as Troy. Moore has been Brown's coordinator or co-coordinator all four seasons, and he worked with Brown previously on staffs at Troy and Texas Tech. He's also Troy's offensive line coach, which is an important position, and was also a highly successful high school coach in Georgia and Alabama.
The curiosity about Brown is his buyout. It's been reported to be $2.9 million. We speculated Wednesday it's much lower. It turns out that's true.
According to information obtained by USA Today, Brown's buyout is just $300,000, and that readily explains WVU's willingness to pay it. The Mountaineers could further reduce that. The buyout would dip to $150,000 if WVU agrees to play a home-and-home series with the Trojans.
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Jan 4, 2019 17:23:06 GMT -6
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 4, 2019 17:23:06 GMT -6
Koenning, who coaches safeties, may intrigue WVU. A former head coach at Wyoming, he's been a success as an assistant at Clemson and Kansas State as well as Troy. Moore has been Brown's coordinator or co-coordinator all four seasons, and he worked with Brown previously on staffs at Troy and Texas Tech. He's also Troy's offensive line coach, which is an important position, and was also a highly successful high school coach in Georgia and Alabama. The curiosity about Brown is his buyout. It's been reported to be $2.9 million. We speculated Wednesday it's much lower. It turns out that's true. According to information obtained by USA Today, Brown's buyout is just $300,000, and that readily explains WVU's willingness to pay it. The Mountaineers could further reduce that. The buyout would dip to $150,000 if WVU agrees to play a home-and-home series with the Trojans. VK is our DC, primarily not just our safeties coach. Zero belief this post is accurate if that simple fact was missed.
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Jan 4, 2019 18:04:04 GMT -6
Post by valleyboy on Jan 4, 2019 18:04:04 GMT -6
Just my opinion but this is were I feel the mix up is coming from the following article. link The writer of the article took the $2,911,667 school buyout as being the amount Troy would receive from another school if Neal Brown let Troy to become the coach of that school which was incorrect information. The writer of the article got information from the USA Today article but neglected to check the following information at the bottom of the USA Today article. "Buyout Owed" figures are the amount a school would owe coach if it fired him without cause on Dec. 1, 2018. Many of these amounts are expressly subject to coach's duty to make good-faith efforts to find another job, with income from that employment offsetting the amount owed. If mitigation and offset are not addressed in contract, coach still may have obligation to make efforts in that regard. The amount listed may be owed to coach over an extended period of time, rather than as a lump sum at termination. Amounts do not take into account per-day pro-rating for a partial contract year. Does not include longevity and/or retention payments. link
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Jan 4, 2019 18:13:11 GMT -6
Post by halligan on Jan 4, 2019 18:13:11 GMT -6
Koenning, who coaches safeties, may intrigue WVU. A former head coach at Wyoming, he's been a success as an assistant at Clemson and Kansas State as well as Troy. Moore has been Brown's coordinator or co-coordinator all four seasons, and he worked with Brown previously on staffs at Troy and Texas Tech. He's also Troy's offensive line coach, which is an important position, and was also a highly successful high school coach in Georgia and Alabama. The curiosity about Brown is his buyout. It's been reported to be $2.9 million. We speculated Wednesday it's much lower. It turns out that's true. According to information obtained by USA Today, Brown's buyout is just $300,000, and that readily explains WVU's willingness to pay it. The Mountaineers could further reduce that. The buyout would dip to $150,000 if WVU agrees to play a home-and-home series with the Trojans. VK is our DC, primarily not just our safeties coach. Zero belief this post is accurate if that simple fact was missed. Sorry here is full article. It does say he is your DC as well as coaches safeties which is where this article picked up from. The fourth-year Troy coach made $810,000 last season and is due $10,000 more next season, and there's really no expectation that Troy will attempt to keep Brown if he wants to go. The Mountaineers would avoid a bidding war there, but Brown is aware of how popular he is, and he has an idea of how much that's worth. Sources close to WVU suspect he'll float up toward what Fickell could be expected to request. It's hard to blame him for thinking that way. Brown has a fine coaching staff for his needs in the Sun Belt Conference, and they win plenty, but Brown could be expected to use his resume and his connections to make some splashy hires. As it stands, defensive coordinator Vic Koenning made $300,00 last season and offensive coordinator Matt Moore made $195,000. Everyone else made between $85,000 and $145,000. 21 COMMENTS Koenning, who coaches safeties, may intrigue WVU. A former head coach at Wyoming, he's been a success as an assistant at Clemson and Kansas State as well as Troy. Moore has been Brown's coordinator or co-coordinator all four seasons, and he worked with Brown previously on staffs at Troy and Texas Tech. He's also Troy's offensive line coach, which is an important position, and was also a highly successful high school coach in Georgia and Alabama. The curiosity about Brown is his buyout. It's been reported to be $2.9 million. We speculated Wednesday it's much lower. It turns out that's true. According to information obtained by USA Today, Brown's buyout is just $300,000, and that readily explains WVU's willingness to pay it. The Mountaineers could further reduce that. The buyout would dip to $150,000 if WVU agrees to play a home-and-home series with the Trojans.
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Jan 4, 2019 18:26:29 GMT -6
Post by trojan2003 on Jan 4, 2019 18:26:29 GMT -6
If you can’t get Koenning you guys might have a problem. Great D is the main reason why we were so successful in the past few years - and Brown knew it and he fully relied on it. More specifically, Brown’s game management skills (which will drive you crazy during the games) and Koenning’s D won us many close games... to be fair however, we played with young QBs and most of our top targets were injured in the second half of the season.
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Jan 4, 2019 18:34:48 GMT -6
Post by Trojan By Birth on Jan 4, 2019 18:34:48 GMT -6
If you can’t get Koenning you guys might have a problem. Great D is the main reason why we were so successful in the past few years - and Brown knew it and he fully relied on it. More specifically, Brown’s game management skills (which will drive you crazy during the games) and Koenning’s D won us many close games... to be fair however, we played with young QBs and most of our top targets were injured in the second half of the season. I kind of agree with you, but Brown instilled a culture change at Troy. His biggest contribution to the university is how he was molding young men into grown men. Did the football players ever help frosh move into the dorms before he came? The service awards etc he started are huge. That is what I will miss about him. That being said however, we need to try our best to keep Vic.
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Jan 4, 2019 18:39:30 GMT -6
Post by halligan on Jan 4, 2019 18:39:30 GMT -6
If you can’t get Koenning you guys might have a problem. Great D is the main reason why we were so successful in the past few years - and Brown knew it and he fully relied on it. More specifically, Brown’s game management skills (which will drive you crazy during the games) and Koenning’s D won us many close games... to be fair however, we played with young QBs and most of our top targets were injured in the second half of the season. What do you mean by his game management? That was our issue with Dana he didn’t manage a game very well and made some bad decisions during critical times that cost us close games.
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Jan 4, 2019 18:52:30 GMT -6
Post by trojan2003 on Jan 4, 2019 18:52:30 GMT -6
If you can’t get Koenning you guys might have a problem. Great D is the main reason why we were so successful in the past few years - and Brown knew it and he fully relied on it. More specifically, Brown’s game management skills (which will drive you crazy during the games) and Koenning’s D won us many close games... to be fair however, we played with young QBs and most of our top targets were injured in the second half of the season. I kind of agree with you, but Brown instilled a culture change at Troy. His biggest contribution to the university is how he was molding young men into grown men. Did the football players ever help frosh move into the dorms before he came? The service awards etc he started are huge. That is what I will miss about him. That being said however, we need to try our best to keep Vic. Totally agree. He is a program builder and because of him Troy is now a legit D1 program and basically a top G5 program. He transferred all of his Texas Tech and Kentucky knowledge to Troy and adopted a lot of things. He even said that he learned so many new things while coaching in the SEC. We greatly benefited from this. I really wanted him to stay for another year and get us into the Top 25. However, WVU doesn’t need a program builder they need a top offensive mind and recruiter. Next year’s schedule is brutal... I will definitely follow WVU closely from now on...I kind of really like this school and fb program.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Jan 4, 2019 18:56:33 GMT -6
If you can’t get Koenning you guys might have a problem. Great D is the main reason why we were so successful in the past few years - and Brown knew it and he fully relied on it. More specifically, Brown’s game management skills (which will drive you crazy during the games) and Koenning’s D won us many close games... to be fair however, we played with young QBs and most of our top targets were injured in the second half of the season. What do you mean by his game management? That was our issue with Dana he didn’t manage a game very well and made some bad decisions during critical times that cost us close games. Here are some things you should know. 1. Coach likes to go for it on 4th down. 2. Coach values special teams as much as O and D.
3. Coach has a tendency to become conservative if he has a 2 score lead. 4. For some strange reason, coach has 1 head scratching game a season where you look awful. 2017, the loss to an inferior South Alabama team the week after the LSU game. 2018, the Liberty game after beating Georgia State. 5. The 2018 team was not prepared for the season opener against Boise State. Coach actually said before our first game this year *paraphrasing This team will be good but I don't know when. 6. Coach had the advantage of us having possibly the best defenses we have ever had over the last 3 seasons. Coach Koenning is truly worth his weight in gold.
This season was really the first season where he did not have a team loaded with former Coach Blakeney's players, so his true worth was going to become evident in the next couple of seasons.
I will say that the overall feeling has been that he was able to recruit good players.
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Post by trojan2003 on Jan 4, 2019 18:59:35 GMT -6
If you can’t get Koenning you guys might have a problem. Great D is the main reason why we were so successful in the past few years - and Brown knew it and he fully relied on it. More specifically, Brown’s game management skills (which will drive you crazy during the games) and Koenning’s D won us many close games... to be fair however, we played with young QBs and most of our top targets were injured in the second half of the season. What do you mean by his game management? That was our issue with Dana he didn’t manage a game very well and made some bad decisions during critical times that cost us close games. His game management skills are great, that’s the problem: He sometimes relies too much on it. Sometimes his offense and play calling can be super-conservative, very frustrating for fans but it will win you games and he really understands how to milk the clock - provided you have great defense of course.
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Jan 4, 2019 22:27:41 GMT -6
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Post by doc71 on Jan 4, 2019 22:27:41 GMT -6
So has Jeremy or any official confirmed buy out amount? Cause if this was December... and we were getting high $2 mill... that’s a game changer for our program I admit... when I read about how Houston and Holgorsen were waiting until Jan 1 so his buyout dropped substantially... I thought he wad screwing UWV over. Well... it appears we got screwed too in this deal.
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Post by doc71 on Jan 5, 2019 8:47:51 GMT -6
So has Jeremy or any official confirmed buy out amount? Cause if this was December... and we were getting high $2 mill... that’s a game changer for our program I admit... when I read about how Houston and Holgorsen were waiting until Jan 1 so his buyout dropped substantially... I thought he wad screwing UWV over. Well... it appears we got screwed too in this deal. Anyone .... still no confirmation about the buyout. I think this is a big deal. I know there were conversations about "how to spend the buyout $$" on here before. But, if it's just in the thousands ... that doesn't go very far. Imagine ... it there is a real buyout (anywhere near the $2mil range) ... couldn't about a million of that be a nice chunk of "seed $" at least for an indoor facility?
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Post by cornhole on Jan 5, 2019 9:14:05 GMT -6
So has Jeremy or any official confirmed buy out amount? Cause if this was December... and we were getting high $2 mill... that’s a game changer for our program I admit... when I read about how Houston and Holgorsen were waiting until Jan 1 so his buyout dropped substantially... I thought he wad screwing UWV over. Well... it appears we got screwed too in this deal. Anyone .... still no confirmation about the buyout. I think this is a big deal. I know there were conversations about "how to spend the buyout $$" on here before. But, if it's just in the thousands ... that doesn't go very far. Imagine ... it there is a real buyout (anywhere near the $2mil range) ... couldn't about a million of that be a nice chunk of "seed $" at least for an indoor facility? Business sense would lead me to think the buyout SHOULD HAVE been in the $2mill range. The known buyout before December 1, '18 was $2.9mill, AFTER Dec 1 should have been a reduction of one year HC salary, or $2.9 - $880k= $2.02mill. Eventually, the truth will out.
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Post by doc71 on Jan 5, 2019 9:21:42 GMT -6
Anyone .... still no confirmation about the buyout. I think this is a big deal. I know there were conversations about "how to spend the buyout $$" on here before. But, if it's just in the thousands ... that doesn't go very far. Imagine ... it there is a real buyout (anywhere near the $2mil range) ... couldn't about a million of that be a nice chunk of "seed $" at least for an indoor facility? Business sense would lead me to think the buyout SHOULD HAVE been in the $2mill range. The known buyout before December 1, '18 was $2.9mill, AFTER Dec 1 should have been a reduction of one year HC salary, or $2.9 - $880k= $2.02mill. Eventually, the truth will out. Oh man .. I hope it's still in that range. That could make a real difference in a program our size. That like playing a couple of "money" games ... but without having to spend the money to actually go and play! Cause I do think an indoor facility is vital. Neal basically said that was the reason we weren't ready to play against Boise?? (weather altering practice, etc) As you can tell .. this has really been a concern for me. I know Jeremy is a little busy ... but I sure wish he would address this. Unless of course it is in the $300,000 range ...
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Post by trojan2003 on Jan 5, 2019 9:48:19 GMT -6
Business sense would lead me to think the buyout SHOULD HAVE been in the $2mill range. The known buyout before December 1, '18 was $2.9mill, AFTER Dec 1 should have been a reduction of one year HC salary, or $2.9 - $880k= $2.02mill. Eventually, the truth will out. Oh man .. I hope it's still in that range. That could make a real difference in a program our size. That like playing a couple of "money" games ... but without having to spend the money to actually go and play! Cause I do think an indoor facility is vital. Neal basically said that was the reason we weren't ready to play against Boise?? (weather altering practice, etc) As you can tell .. this has really been a concern for me. I know Jeremy is a little busy ... but I sure wish he would address this. Unless of course it is in the $300,000 range ... That UAB-type IPF would cost us app 5m - even if we only receive 1m + a home-and-home with WVU, it would still be huge. We could get DWare, Osi, Tynes, S.Martin and some other former NFL players to donate as well...
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Jan 5, 2019 10:04:23 GMT -6
Post by cornhole on Jan 5, 2019 10:04:23 GMT -6
Oh man .. I hope it's still in that range. That could make a real difference in a program our size. That like playing a couple of "money" games ... but without having to spend the money to actually go and play! Cause I do think an indoor facility is vital. Neal basically said that was the reason we weren't ready to play against Boise?? (weather altering practice, etc) As you can tell .. this has really been a concern for me. I know Jeremy is a little busy ... but I sure wish he would address this. Unless of course it is in the $300,000 range ... That UAB-type IPF would cost us app 5m - even if we only receive 1m + a home-and-home with WVU, it would still be huge. We could get DWare, Osi, Tynes, S.Martin and some other former NFL players to donate as well... WHA?? No walls? No AC? Just won't be able to keep up with the 'barns & Bammers. How can we compete with the big boys??
Contemporay 18 year old prospects absolutely need Air Conditioned practice facilities!!
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Jan 5, 2019 10:07:41 GMT -6
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Post by Troystet on Jan 5, 2019 10:07:41 GMT -6
That UAB-type IPF would cost us app 5m - even if we only receive 1m + a home-and-home with WVU, it would still be huge. We could get DWare, Osi, Tynes, S.Martin and some other former NFL players to donate as well... WHA?? No walls? No AC? Just won't be able to keep up with the 'barns & Bammers. How can we compete with the big boys??
Contemporay 18 year old prospects absolutely need Air Conditioned practice facilities!!And juice bars, iPhones, Big Screen TV's with X-Box, Starbucks, and free wi-fi
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Post by doc71 on Jan 5, 2019 10:51:34 GMT -6
That UAB-type IPF would cost us app 5m - even if we only receive 1m + a home-and-home with WVU, it would still be huge. We could get DWare, Osi, Tynes, S.Martin and some other former NFL players to donate as well... WHA?? No walls? No AC? Just won't be able to keep up with the 'barns & Bammers. How can we compete with the big boys??
Contemporay 18 year old prospects absolutely need Air Conditioned practice facilities!!I think the no AC would be fine ... just wonder if no walls would mean we can practice during lightning. That's the biggest issue. I believe there's a rule that you can't practice outside if there's lighting within 8 miles. So, would a roof be enough to say we're "indoors" during lighting?
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Jan 5, 2019 11:24:26 GMT -6
Post by Troystet on Jan 5, 2019 11:24:26 GMT -6
WHA?? No walls? No AC? Just won't be able to keep up with the 'barns & Bammers. How can we compete with the big boys??
Contemporay 18 year old prospects absolutely need Air Conditioned practice facilities!!I think the no AC would be fine ... just wonder if no walls would mean we can practice during lightning. That's the biggest issue. I believe there's a rule that you can't practice outside if there's lighting within 8 miles. So, would a roof be enough to say we're "indoors" during lighting? Where was all these no 2 day a days (let alone 3 a days), A/C indoor practice facilities, 15 spring practices (4 of which can be full contact), Thud practices and 20 hour rule when we played? these young whipper snappers don't know how good they have it lol. And me and Doc71 use to walk to practice bare foot 5 miles through snow every day lol
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Jan 5, 2019 11:40:53 GMT -6
Post by doc71 on Jan 5, 2019 11:40:53 GMT -6
I think the no AC would be fine ... just wonder if no walls would mean we can practice during lightning. That's the biggest issue. I believe there's a rule that you can't practice outside if there's lighting within 8 miles. So, would a roof be enough to say we're "indoors" during lighting? Where was all these no 2 day a days (let alone 3 a days), A/C indoor practice facilities, 15 spring practices (4 of which can be full contact), Thud practices and 20 hour rule when we played? these young whipper snappers don't know how good they have it lol. And me and Doc71 use to walk to practice bare foot 5 miles through snow every day lol Yeah ... and I think it was at least 20 degrees hotter in Troy in the 80s! An summer lasted until ... well about Thanksgiving!! Of course ... with all the limitations on number of practices and amount of time you can spend, etc. ... that really makes the indoor facility more important. Back in the day ... if we missed a practice during fall camp due to weather (which I don't remember many ... I don't even remember many clouds during practice! ) we had 2 more practices that day ... and 3 the next, etc. Now, if you miss one ... that's it.
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Post by chattvalleytrojan on Jan 5, 2019 16:21:23 GMT -6
WHA?? No walls? No AC? Just won't be able to keep up with the 'barns & Bammers. How can we compete with the big boys??
Contemporay 18 year old prospects absolutely need Air Conditioned practice facilities!!I think the no AC would be fine ... just wonder if no walls would mean we can practice during lightning. That's the biggest issue. I believe there's a rule that you can't practice outside if there's lighting within 8 miles. So, would a roof be enough to say we're "indoors" during lighting? That's my concern with the uab style.
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Jan 5, 2019 16:45:58 GMT -6
Post by joshboutwell on Jan 5, 2019 16:45:58 GMT -6
WHA?? No walls? No AC? Just won't be able to keep up with the 'barns & Bammers. How can we compete with the big boys??
Contemporay 18 year old prospects absolutely need Air Conditioned practice facilities!!And juice bars, iPhones, Big Screen TV's with X-Box, Starbucks, and free wi-fi Troy's players already have big screen TVs with X-Box/PS4 and free wi-fi.
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Jan 5, 2019 16:52:29 GMT -6
Post by doc71 on Jan 5, 2019 16:52:29 GMT -6
And juice bars, iPhones, Big Screen TV's with X-Box, Starbucks, and free wi-fi Troy's players already have big screen TVs with X-Box/PS4 and free wi-fi. Yep ... it's a good time to be a college football player ... and coach!
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