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Post by trojan2003 on Sept 23, 2018 6:41:07 GMT -6
So if we want to get to the next level which would mean having a Boise St/UCF/Houston type of breakthrough season what would it take? I don't mean "next level" as a program, I just mean having a 13-0 breakthrough season and going to a NY6 bowl (a Western Michigan type of season) Obviously, we need a favorable schedule, win all of our games and then win the conference championship game. Next year's schedule is quite favorable, OOC wins are all winnable since Missouri will lose some key players (incl. QB), USM is quite young but will be improved, Akron losing its entire defense basically. App St will be really tough (we get them at home though) but Ark St will have to replace some key players, and no ULM on the schedule is huge (they will return all offensive starters and all defensive starters (!!!), glad we get to avoid them next year). 2019 schedule08/31 - Campbell 09/14 - Southern Miss 09/21 - at Akron 10/05 - at Missouri TBA - Appalachian State TBA - Arkansas State TBA - Georgia Southern TBA - South Alabama TBA - at Coastal Carolina TBA - at Georgia State TBA - at Louisiana TBA - at Texas State In order to get pass by the other top G5 teams we probably would have to crush our opponents in most games. Even though we will return many key players, we will also lose some top WRs. However, I don't see us "boise-ing" our opponents with this team next year. So probably we would have to add some top JCs or Grad transfers to this team next year, for production but also publicity purposes. Currently, we are capable of winning our games (somehow) and beating struggling P5 giants (which is good) but if we want to get to the next level we need some superior talent advantage (5* JC/transfer at QB, RB, WR) or be really patient until we will have a team littered with 4-year starters... however, I think we got some national attention now, so I would prefer sooner than later... Adding big time transfers would help us getting the needed publicity. Think Moss and Marshall. Just being Troy and beating some P5 teams wont get us there. They would rather go with FAU and Kiffin. thespun.com/news/jalen-hurts-transfer-schools-options-named-2019
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Post by gotroygo on Sept 23, 2018 7:23:24 GMT -6
So if we want to get to the next level which would mean having a Boise St/UCF/Houston type of breakthrough season what would it take? I don't mean "next level" as a program, I just mean having a 13-0 breakthrough season and going to a NY6 bowl (a Western Michigan type of season) Obviously, we need a favorable schedule, win all of our games and then win the conference championship game. Next year's schedule is quite favorable, OOC wins are all winnable since Missouri will lose some key players (incl. QB), USM is quite young but will be improved, Akron losing its entire defense basically. App St will be really tough (we get them at home though) but Ark St will have to replace some key players, and no ULM on the schedule is huge (they will return all offensive starters and all defensive starters (!!!), glad we get to avoid them next year). 2019 schedule08/31 - Campbell 09/14 - Southern Miss 09/21 - at Akron 10/05 - at Missouri TBA - Appalachian State TBA - Arkansas State TBA - Georgia Southern TBA - South Alabama TBA - at Coastal Carolina TBA - at Georgia State TBA - at Louisiana TBA - at Texas State In order to get pass by the other top G5 teams we probably would have to crush our opponents in most games. Even though we will return many key players, we will also lose some top WRs. However, I don't see us "boise-ing" our opponents with this team next year. So probably we would have to add some top JCs or Grad transfers to this team next year, for production but also publicity purposes. Currently, we are capable of winning our games (somehow) and beating struggling P5 giants (which is good) but if we want to get to the next level we need some superior talent advantage (5* JC/transfer at QB, RB, WR) or be really patient until we will have a team littered with 4-year starters... however, I think we got some national attention now, so I would prefer sooner than later... Adding top transfers would help us getting the needded publicity. thespun.com/news/jalen-hurts-transfer-schools-options-named-2019If we won all our games with that schedule, it would be considered too soft for a NY6 Bowl. Might still end up in New Orleans Bowl.
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Post by trojan2003 on Sept 23, 2018 7:28:44 GMT -6
So if we want to get to the next level which would mean having a Boise St/UCF/Houston type of breakthrough season what would it take? I don't mean "next level" as a program, I just mean having a 13-0 breakthrough season and going to a NY6 bowl (a Western Michigan type of season) Obviously, we need a favorable schedule thespun.com/news/jalen-hurts-transfer-schools-options-named-2019If we won all our games with that schedule, it would be considered too soft for a NY6 Bowl. Might still end up in New Orleans Bowl. Thats my point. But having a Jalen Hurts on your team (just an example, I am not saying lets go after Jalen Hurts) would get you additional Top25 votes because then voters would be paying extra attention and it would elevate our brand.
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Post by Trojan By Birth on Sept 23, 2018 7:56:35 GMT -6
Where's the time machine?? Is 2018 already over?
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Post by The Cardinal Rule on Sept 23, 2018 9:57:19 GMT -6
To take it to the "Next Level" we'd have to beat everyone in our conference, routinely, by 50 points and have to schedule, and beat, OOC opponents all of which need to be ranked in the top #25.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 23, 2018 10:52:43 GMT -6
If I'm wrong, I'll take the correction but I'm almost 100% positive the BCS contracts call for the highest ranked G5 team to be the 12th NY6 bowl team. If that's the case, it makes no difference who "they'd rather have". Win and we're in.
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Post by trojan2003 on Sept 23, 2018 11:46:39 GMT -6
If I'm wrong, I'll take the correction but I'm almost 100% positive the BCS contracts call for the highest ranked G5 team to be the 12th NY6 bowl team. If that's the case, it makes no difference who "they'd rather have". Win and we're in. The issue is that even then we might not quite make it, Top20 ranking most likely, but that's it. However, we need teams like Boise St, UCF, BYU, Fresno St, Fighting Kiffins, some MAC teams, etc to lose some games because they will always be ranked higher, some of them even get pre-season Top 25 rankings which is huge. So we either blow out every SBC team on our schedule and win all of our OOC games and hope other G5 teams lose some games or we either start improving our SOS (OOC games) or land some big time transfer who will generate extra media coverage for us. The 2018 season will likely be another 9-3 or 10-2 type of season and another bowl win vs an MAC/CUSA team in Mobile or New Orleans. This is a minor rebuilding year for us, so its totally fine. Might even get ranked at #25, who knows. So basically slight progress which will feel like stagnation. But this thread is about getting to the next level. However, next year will be our best chance to make it to a NY6 bowl game, provided we can keep our coaches. Schedule is favorable, we will return many key players, etc. But even then, it looks like it will be tough to pull it off, because a 12-0 (13-0) season might not be good enough. So the only way to balance out the SBC stigma is to have a big name associated with our program (coach and/or star player, i.e. Heisman darkhorse) in order to get extra media coverage and thus additional votes. Currently, only a big time transfer could do this for us...(think Randy Moss and Marshall). College Football Playoff Selection Committee Voting Processcollegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2017/10/20/voting-process.aspx
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Post by buzzlightyear on Sept 23, 2018 11:50:37 GMT -6
If I'm wrong, I'll take the correction but I'm almost 100% positive the BCS contracts call for the highest ranked G5 team to be the 12th NY6 bowl team. If that's the case, it makes no difference who "they'd rather have". Win and we're in. We have months of dead time after the season and don’t mind speculating as far as future plans. However, I will concentrate on the 66% of the regular season we have this year and then bowl if blessed (and yes I think and believe we are headed to one). To go to that NEXT level we will HAVE to perform well this year too. Image is almost as much as performance.
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Post by gotroygo on Sept 23, 2018 12:01:58 GMT -6
If I'm wrong, I'll take the correction but I'm almost 100% positive the BCS contracts call for the highest ranked G5 team to be the 12th NY6 bowl team. If that's the case, it makes no difference who "they'd rather have". Win and we're in. We have months of dead time after the season and don’t mind speculating as far as future plans. However, I will concentrate on the 66% of the regular season we have this year and then bowl if blessed (and yes I think and believe we are headed to one). To go to that NEXT level we will HAVE to perform well this year too. Image is almost as much as performance. We wouldn't be the highest ranked even at 13-0. Not with a "signature win" over Missouri.
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Post by trojan2003 on Sept 23, 2018 12:06:39 GMT -6
AP poll, week 4: UCF ranked at #13. No SBC team receiving votes, not even App St. collegefootball.ap.org/pollOthers receiving votes: Colorado 83, Boise St. 58, Virginia Tech 55, South Florida 50, Oklahoma St. 44, Texas A&M 41, Iowa 31, South Carolina 31, Florida 29, NC State 28, Syracuse 25, TCU 24, North Texas 10, Cincinnati 10, Utah 9, Mississippi 7, Missouri 7, Buffalo 6, Maryland 6, San Diego St. 5, Arizona St. 4.
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Post by gotroygo on Sept 23, 2018 12:14:08 GMT -6
AP poll, week 4: UCF ranked at #13. No SBC team receiving votes, not even App St. collegefootball.ap.org/pollOthers receiving votes: Colorado 83, Boise St. 58, Virginia Tech 55, South Florida 50, Oklahoma St. 44, Texas A&M 41, Iowa 31, South Carolina 31, Florida 29, NC State 28, Syracuse 25, TCU 24, North Texas 10, Cincinnati 10, Utah 9, Mississippi 7, Missouri 7, Buffalo 6, Maryland 6, San Diego St. 5, Arizona St. 4. The "powers that be" consider the Sun Belt teams to be inbetween FCS and Power 5.
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Sept 23, 2018 12:52:17 GMT -6
We have months of dead time after the season and don’t mind speculating as far as future plans. However, I will concentrate on the 66% of the regular season we have this year and then bowl if blessed (and yes I think and believe we are headed to one). To go to that NEXT level we will HAVE to perform well this year too. Image is almost as much as performance. We wouldn't be the highest ranked even at 13-0. Not with a "signature win" over Missouri. Perhaps you're right. Maybe I over simplified when I said "win and we're in". I guess what I should say is we can't control (influence, maybe, but not control) our ranking and bowl placement. All we can do is schedule games that offer the most exposure and when we play those games, win them. It's an uphill battle and we won't get to the top of the hill in just a couple of years. It will take time, it will take winning consistently, it will take growing our attendance, and it will take aggressive scheduling and even aggressive marketing to make it happen.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Sept 23, 2018 13:13:01 GMT -6
Troy is still in a position to make it to a NY6 Bowl this season...
The main competitors for the NY6 Bowl is UCF, Boise State, Troy, North Texas, Buffalo, USF, and Cincinnati... with UCF and Boise State being the favorites right now. But if any one of those teams stumble or don't win their conference, and Troy finishes the season 12-1 with a SBC title, then Troy has a shot.
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Post by gotroygo on Sept 23, 2018 17:48:04 GMT -6
Troy is still in a position to make it to a NY6 Bowl this season... The main competitors for the NY6 Bowl is UCF, Boise State, Troy, North Texas, Buffalo, USF, and Cincinnati... with UCF and Boise State being the favorites right now. But if any one of those teams stumble or don't win their conference, and Troy finishes the season 12-1 with a SBC title, then Troy has a shot. Who puts the most folks in the seats also comes under consideration. Western Michigan pulled it off though as did N Illinois . Two schools I would consider peers as far as football programs.
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