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Post by trojan2003 on Mar 15, 2018 20:22:24 GMT -6
It seems like going independent could be a real option in the future, there are more schools going this route now (Liberty, UMass, NM St) + our long term conference TV deal is not that great (leaving the conference - we could make much more money by scheduling money games and use this money to invest in facilities and pay our coaches more) + playing maybe 3 name teams every year would also help recruiting and increase the likelihood of signature wins - payout equals 1.8M-1.9M per game nowadays (this is what Auburn agreed to pay USM more recently). Troy could make nearly +4M per year (or +12M in three years, etc) by playing a few more top SEC and ACC teams. Money wise, this would be like playing in the playoffs or in a major bowl game every other year.
I don't think we should do it now or soon, but we should be prepared. The next re-alignment round will happen, and teams like USA and GA St might move on and even surpass us. Troy could be stuck in this conference for a long time...and it would be a different conference with different members and it wouldn't even resemble an "Elite FCS conference".
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Post by cornhole on Mar 15, 2018 20:30:14 GMT -6
The college football climate is much more dynamic than in the past and the required$$ to keep up with the joneses much more critical. Food for thought and a topic that I trust Troy U athletics keeps on the front burner.
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Post by Hemi Man on Mar 16, 2018 1:40:24 GMT -6
It seems like going independent could be a real option in the future, there are more schools going this route now (Liberty, UMass, NM St) + our long term conference TV deal is not that great (leaving the conference - we could make much more money by scheduling money games and use this money to invest in facilities and pay our coaches more) + playing maybe 3 name teams every year would also help recruiting and increase the likelihood of signature wins - payout equals 1.8M-1.9M per game nowadays (this is what Auburn agreed to pay USM more recently). Troy could make nearly +4M per year (or +12M in three years, etc) by playing a few more top SEC and ACC teams. Money wise, this would be like playing in the playoffs or in a major bowl game every other year. I don't think we should do it now or soon, but we should be prepared. The next re-alignment round will happen, and teams like USA and GA St might move on and even surpass us. Troy could be stuck in this conference for a long time...and it would be a different conference with different members and it wouldn't even resemble an "Elite FCS conference". In doing that are you willing to give up your bowl tie ins, and six home games a year? I could see it slipping to only four home games on certain years. I hate to admit it, but we need the Sun Belt for those things.
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Post by ksdtrojan on Mar 16, 2018 7:38:25 GMT -6
It seems like going independent could be a real option in the future, there are more schools going this route now (Liberty, UMass, NM St) + our long term conference TV deal is not that great (leaving the conference - we could make much more money by scheduling money games and use this money to invest in facilities and pay our coaches more) + playing maybe 3 name teams every year would also help recruiting and increase the likelihood of signature wins - payout equals 1.8M-1.9M per game nowadays (this is what Auburn agreed to pay USM more recently). Troy could make nearly +4M per year (or +12M in three years, etc) by playing a few more top SEC and ACC teams. Money wise, this would be like playing in the playoffs or in a major bowl game every other year. I don't think we should do it now or soon, but we should be prepared. The next re-alignment round will happen, and teams like USA and GA St might move on and even surpass us. Troy could be stuck in this conference for a long time...and it would be a different conference with different members and it wouldn't even resemble an "Elite FCS conference". In doing that are you willing to give up your bowl tie ins, and six home games a year? I could see it slipping to only four home games on certain years. I hate to admit it, but we need the Sun Belt for those things. Agreed. Conference affiliation is crucial for the 6 home game consistency. Maybe one day in the distant future we might be to a level where we could make another run at that however now is not the time. Also, when we start beating the P5s on a more consistent basis those teams will begin to avoid TROY and most definitely will not want to come to the Vet. Money talks however and if enough money is offered anyone will come but the P5s don't really need us or the money because of their conference affiliations. And TROY doesn't have the money to put up 500k+ per game for 6 home games. I know home and homes could help with this but realistically that's what the SunBelt does by establishing guaranteed home and homes with the only teams who would be willing to do so. Just my 2 bits!
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Post by saintflorian on Mar 16, 2018 7:47:38 GMT -6
It seems like going independent could be a real option in the future, there are more schools going this route now (Liberty, UMass, NM St) + our long term conference TV deal is not that great (leaving the conference - we could make much more money by scheduling money games and use this money to invest in facilities and pay our coaches more) + playing maybe 3 name teams every year would also help recruiting and increase the likelihood of signature wins - payout equals 1.8M-1.9M per game nowadays (this is what Auburn agreed to pay USM more recently). Troy could make nearly +4M per year (or +12M in three years, etc) by playing a few more top SEC and ACC teams. Money wise, this would be like playing in the playoffs or in a major bowl game every other year. I don't think we should do it now or soon, but we should be prepared. The next re-alignment round will happen, and teams like USA and GA St might move on and even surpass us. Troy could be stuck in this conference for a long time...and it would be a different conference with different members and it wouldn't even resemble an "Elite FCS conference". . On paper the numbers work in that direction but life and circumstances are not played out on paper. The non P5 schools need/have to pull together and form one entity, seperate from the big 5, they don’t want us anyway. Have tare own championships, pull resources. If we did that it would be stronger, have pull and manage ourselves.
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Post by Troystet on Mar 16, 2018 9:00:27 GMT -6
It seems like going independent could be a real option in the future, there are more schools going this route now (Liberty, UMass, NM St) + our long term conference TV deal is not that great (leaving the conference - we could make much more money by scheduling money games and use this money to invest in facilities and pay our coaches more) + playing maybe 3 name teams every year would also help recruiting and increase the likelihood of signature wins - payout equals 1.8M-1.9M per game nowadays (this is what Auburn agreed to pay USM more recently). Troy could make nearly +4M per year (or +12M in three years, etc) by playing a few more top SEC and ACC teams. Money wise, this would be like playing in the playoffs or in a major bowl game every other year. I don't think we should do it now or soon, but we should be prepared. The next re-alignment round will happen, and teams like USA and GA St might move on and even surpass us. Troy could be stuck in this conference for a long time...and it would be a different conference with different members and it wouldn't even resemble an "Elite FCS conference". . On paper the numbers work in that direction but life and circumstances are not played out on paper. The non P5 schools need/have to pull together and form one entity, seperate from the big 5, they don’t want us anyway. Have tare own championships, pull resources. If we did that it would be stronger, have pull and manage ourselves. Valid points. I also see several FCS schools that could benefit and be very competitive in a sub branch of FBS. Notably NDSU, JMU, Sam Houston St., Jax St., Chatanooga, Kennesaw St and Mercer to name a few. Put some of these schools in and the so called sub branch could beat a lot of lower P5 schools such as Wake, Kansas, Vandy etc
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Post by trojan2003 on Mar 16, 2018 10:41:17 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the current SBC version, and I certainly wouldn't mind being in a new CUSA/SBC conference with USM, Marshall, LA Tech, Ark St, S Alabama, etc but if we somehow get left behind... and programs like USA, Ark St and GA St move on, I would prefer going independent and make some real money, rather than being in a conference with Kennesaw St, Jax St, James Madison etc... and I hope we will be prepared for this (because this could happen within the next 5 years).
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Mar 16, 2018 17:51:08 GMT -6
Troy has been preparing for potential future realignment. The facilities are probably the best in the conference.
It's not in Troy's best interest to be independent. If any teams are left with of realignment, Troy included, those group of teams will probably form a new conference.
By the way, how does anyone figure this TV deal we have is bad? It's the best one the Sun Belt has ever had as far as football games shown, national broadcasts, money, and other sports being broadcast. It's cumulatively better than the CUSA and MAC TV deals.
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Post by Troystet on Mar 17, 2018 6:42:59 GMT -6
Troy has been preparing for potential future realignment. The facilities are probably the best in the conference. It's not in Troy's best interest to be independent. If any teams are left with of realignment, Troy included, those group of teams will probably form a new conference. By the way, how does anyone figure this TV deal we have is bad? It's the best one the Sun Belt has ever had as far as football games shown, national broadcasts, money, and other sports being broadcast. It's cumulatively better than the CUSA and MAC TV deals. I'm confused on the TV deal. My understanding the games are on ESPN3 or some other obscure ESPN network. Is every SBC game available like the SEC Network? I also believe it's a pay to watch set up, so if that's true then the only subscribers will be SBC fans to watch their team on the road. Also, we have a ESPN2 game next season I believe against South. Are the ESPN2 games part of the deal or is that seperate?
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Mar 17, 2018 8:25:37 GMT -6
It seems like going independent could be a real option in the future, there are more schools going this route now (Liberty, UMass, NM St) + our long term conference TV deal is not that great (leaving the conference - we could make much more money by scheduling money games and use this money to invest in facilities and pay our coaches more) + playing maybe 3 name teams every year would also help recruiting and increase the likelihood of signature wins - payout equals 1.8M-1.9M per game nowadays (this is what Auburn agreed to pay USM more recently). Troy could make nearly +4M per year (or +12M in three years, etc) by playing a few more top SEC and ACC teams. Money wise, this would be like playing in the playoffs or in a major bowl game every other year. I don't think we should do it now or soon, but we should be prepared. The next re-alignment round will happen, and teams like USA and GA St might move on and even surpass us. Troy could be stuck in this conference for a long time...and it would be a different conference with different members and it wouldn't even resemble an "Elite FCS conference". Troy was an independent when we first moved to Div 1A. It was terrible. I could mention a lot of things wrong with that but the major ones are no conference championships, and no bowl games. If the G5 teams pull away from the P5 then the P5 would dominate and the G5 would be viewed as the former Div IAA was.
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Post by saintflorian on Mar 17, 2018 10:06:17 GMT -6
It seems like going independent could be a real option in the future, there are more schools going this route now (Liberty, UMass, NM St) + our long term conference TV deal is not that great (leaving the conference - we could make much more money by scheduling money games and use this money to invest in facilities and pay our coaches more) + playing maybe 3 name teams every year would also help recruiting and increase the likelihood of signature wins - payout equals 1.8M-1.9M per game nowadays (this is what Auburn agreed to pay USM more recently). Troy could make nearly +4M per year (or +12M in three years, etc) by playing a few more top SEC and ACC teams. Money wise, this would be like playing in the playoffs or in a major bowl game every other year. I don't think we should do it now or soon, but we should be prepared. The next re-alignment round will happen, and teams like USA and GA St might move on and even surpass us. Troy could be stuck in this conference for a long time...and it would be a different conference with different members and it wouldn't even resemble an "Elite FCS conference". Troy was an independent when we first moved to Div 1A. It was terrible. I could mention a lot of things wrong with that but the major ones are no conference championships, and no bowl games. If the G5 teams pull away from the P5 then the P5 would dominate and the G5 would be viewed as the former Div IAA was. it is already viewed that way by them. Need to get all benefits now.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Mar 17, 2018 13:00:34 GMT -6
Troy has been preparing for potential future realignment. The facilities are probably the best in the conference. It's not in Troy's best interest to be independent. If any teams are left with of realignment, Troy included, those group of teams will probably form a new conference. By the way, how does anyone figure this TV deal we have is bad? It's the best one the Sun Belt has ever had as far as football games shown, national broadcasts, money, and other sports being broadcast. It's cumulatively better than the CUSA and MAC TV deals. I'm confused on the TV deal. My understanding the games are on ESPN3 or some other obscure ESPN network. Is every SBC game available like the SEC Network? I also believe it's a pay to watch set up, so if that's true then the only subscribers will be SBC fans to watch their team on the road. Also, we have a ESPN2 game next season I believe against South. Are the ESPN2 games part of the deal or is that seperate? All of the games that have been/currently are being aired on ESPN3 will now be shown on ESPN+ starting in 2019. The ESPN3 platform is going away and transforming into ESPN+. So it's basically the same thing, except ESPN+ subscribers will have to pay $4.99/month (no contract), versus ESPN3 subscribers who had their subscription rolled into their cable bills/streaming service bills. And yes, the ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU national TV broadcasts are a part of this new deal. The Sun Belt will actually have more games on national TV than before.
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Post by chasin170 on Mar 22, 2018 4:28:45 GMT -6
Give me Liberty or give me death......in the instant of going independent we would receive both.While we are on Liberty ,Liberty University has the commitment and fortitude along with maybe a few axes to grind to pull it off.
SunBelt is in a better place presently and the home game atmosphere and momentum Troy is gaining would be snuffed if we started flying around the country to fill games.
With the new media deals G5s will be limited to regional support and the lifeblood evolving is YOUR PROGRAMs game day.
Taking care of the home base with a rivalry ridden schedule of regional teams seems to be the way to do this.Players as well want bowl games,championships,with a sprinkling of playing in a really big house OOC.
I like where we are
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Post by Bubba the Trojan on Mar 22, 2018 5:24:01 GMT -6
Give me Liberty or give me death......in the instant of going independent we would receive both.While we are on Liberty ,Liberty University has the commitment and fortitude along with maybe a few axes to grind to pull it off. SunBelt is in a better place presently and the home game atmosphere and momentum Troy is gaining would be snuffed if we started flying around the country to fill games. With the new media deals G5s will be limited to regional support and the lifeblood evolving is YOUR PROGRAMs game day. Taking care of the home base with a rivalry ridden schedule of regional teams seems to be the way to do this.Players as well want bowl games,championships,with a sprinkling of playing in a really big house OOC. I like where we are I’m ok with the TV deal as long as we don’t end up playing 4 Home games a year on a week night. I’m afraid, however, that is a real possibility.
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Post by saintflorian on Mar 22, 2018 9:20:43 GMT -6
Give me Liberty or give me death......in the instant of going independent we would receive both.While we are on Liberty ,Liberty University has the commitment and fortitude along with maybe a few axes to grind to pull it off. SunBelt is in a better place presently and the home game atmosphere and momentum Troy is gaining would be snuffed if we started flying around the country to fill games. With the new media deals G5s will be limited to regional support and the lifeblood evolving is YOUR PROGRAMs game day. Taking care of the home base with a rivalry ridden schedule of regional teams seems to be the way to do this.Players as well want bowl games,championships,with a sprinkling of playing in a really big house OOC. I like where we are I’m ok with the TV deal as long as we don’t end up playing 4 Home games a year on a week night. I’m afraid, however, that is a real possibility. This. Make no mistake we are at the complete mercy of the crappy sports network based in Bristol Connecticut, run by media elites based in New York. They will not care one bit about us. We will have multiple games each year of the contract scheduled on everyday of the week except Sunday and Monday in the future. And the more successful we are the more they want us on TV, on random weekday nights. Yes, additional revenue and exposure is good but damn, sacrificing more Saturday game days in Troy cheering on the Trojans.
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Mar 22, 2018 9:56:35 GMT -6
I have a friend that is a Boise State fan. He told me that Boise got so tied up with getting on National TV that he felt they forgot their home crowd. Way too many games in the middle of the week, in a freezing stadium. They lost thousands of season ticket holders.
TV is good for the National exposure, but Mid-week night games don't do much for the home crowd. Unless your're powerful enough to dictate to ESPN, ESPN will dictate to you and they don't really care about the local fans that want a whole Saturday afternoon/evening of tailgating and football.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Mar 22, 2018 10:42:27 GMT -6
I have a friend that is a Boise State fan. He told me that Boise got so tied up with getting on National TV that he felt they forgot their home crowd. Way too many games in the middle of the week, in a freezing stadium. They lost thousands of season ticket holders. TV is good for the National exposure, but Mid-week night games don't do much for the home crowd. Unless your're powerful enough to dictate to ESPN, ESPN will dictate to you and they don't really care about the local fans that want a whole Saturday afternoon/evening of tailgating and football. The only advantage we have....(and I am stretching)... our nights are not as cold in general. However week nite games are not healthy for the fan base unless on a Thursday nite and limited to two per season.
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Post by buzzlightyear on Mar 22, 2018 10:43:07 GMT -6
Max of two prefer one at best
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