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Post by trojanfan8878 on Jan 19, 2017 17:24:56 GMT -6
Looks like a better record in 2016-2017 with more talent to me. I agree, let's let this year play out and see what happens. Just my opinion too. Go Trojans! Here are some of our 10 wins: D2 school, NAIA school, Ivy League school with 8-15 record last year, Chicago St 4-10 when we played them, AL St, AL A&M, IL St (losing record last year). Our only three good wins against decent teams are GA St (off year), Hawaii and UT-Arlington. Schedule was favorable from the start. Yes, you are correct, but they actually won those games against sub-par competition. In the past 3 years, I've watched them lose those games. Additionally, they have been ahead in every other game but UAB with a chance to win including USC and Wyoming on the road and Georgia Southern (the Sun Belt leader so far). Those games could have gone either way. This is my opinion and only my opinion, but Coach signed a 4 year contract. Let this season play out and let the AD make the decision. Just my opinion. I trust our AD to make the right decision as soon as the season ends. I'll tell you this, this team has the talent to tear down the nets in NOLA in March. On the same hand, the wheels could come off and they could lose the majority of their remaining games. Either way, I will be sitting in my seat at Trojan arena rooting them to victory. Go Trojans!
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Post by atlantatrojan on Jan 19, 2017 17:30:41 GMT -6
Don't see this movement in the right direction or improvement Coach C's record at Troy 2013-14: 11-20 (6-12) 2014-15: 10-19 (5-15) 2015-16: 9-22 (4-16) 2016-17: 10-9 (2-3) Looks like a better record in 2016-2017 with more talent to me. I agree, let's let this year play out and see what happens. Just my opinion too. Go Trojans! Our OOC schedule was so much easier as well... the games that matter in conference are looking about the same so far.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 19, 2017 19:30:14 GMT -6
Here are some of our 10 wins: D2 school, NAIA school, Ivy League school with 8-15 record last year, Chicago St 4-10 when we played them, AL St, AL A&M, IL St (losing record last year). Our only three good wins against decent teams are GA St (off year), Hawaii and UT-Arlington. Schedule was favorable from the start. Yes, you are correct, but they actually won those games against sub-par competition. In the past 3 years, I've watched them lose those games. Additionally, they have been ahead in every other game but UAB with a chance to win including USC and Wyoming on the road and Georgia Southern (the Sun Belt leader so far). Those games could have gone either way. This is my opinion and only my opinion, but Coach signed a 4 year contract. Let this season play out and let the AD make the decision. Just my opinion. I trust our AD to make the right decision as soon as the season ends. I'll tell you this, this team has the talent to tear down the nets in NOLA in March. On the same hand, the wheels could come off and they could lose the majority of their remaining games. Either way, I will be sitting in my seat at Trojan arena rooting them to victory. Go Trojans! Your comment about the last three years we would lose those games against sub par competition speaks volumes. I hope our AD does the right thing. If we win the conference I'll admit I'm wrong. We will see
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Post by pcbtrojan on Jan 19, 2017 19:44:21 GMT -6
It's the courts fault. Bring back the concrete box.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Jan 20, 2017 7:33:59 GMT -6
Acceptable reasons by the board: Players didn't execute, bad officiating, missed free throws, dribbling out of bounds, traveling calls, long flight, long bus trip, bad pre-game meal, girlfriends, wrong pre game music, addidas shoes instead of Nike Unacceptable reasons: Phil Cunningham Troyset, no doubt you are passionate with the way you feel and I am not here to defend Coach C but I am confident that this program is moving in the right direction under his leadership and that he will have them ready to make a run in the Belt tournament. As the Ark St. coach said, Troy does have tremendous talent, which comes from great recruiting. Our Conference losses have been so close and the team is giving excellent effort. Let's hold off on giving up on the season until it's over. There shows to be significant improvement over last years squad and we have a lot of Conference games remaining in the season.
Just one man's opinion....
Go TROY!
This program isn't moving in the right direction. Has Troy gotten off to a better start than in the past four years? Yes, but this is the weakest schedule we've played in OOC in many years. We've already lost to a bad USA and an okay Texas State. What makes you think we're going to go on a run and beat these other good teams like Georgia Southern, ULL, Little Rock, Arkansas State, and even UTA again for that matter (UTA was missing their best player Kevin Hervey when they played us). If this team wins the conference tournament, I'll eat crow all day long. But I don't see it happening. It is obvious how well these other teams are coached compared to Troy, and that's going to be the difference. We need a proven winner like Rigby. She came in from Pensacola State after going to the Final Four twice and going 67-7 in just two seasons. Now look what she is doing with Troy. Maybe we need to dip into the NJCAA or Division III/II ranks also...
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Post by Troystet on Jan 20, 2017 10:56:55 GMT -6
Hartwell hired his buddy and it's been a failure. Good assistant and recruiter but not a HC. Rigby won every where she had been and was a proven HC. Hiring Asst coaches are a gamble, some pay off some don't. We need to hire a proven HC or Asst from a great program. There are plenty of great lower division coaches who could win at Troy
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Post by atlantatrojan on Jan 20, 2017 15:19:40 GMT -6
Hartwell hired his buddy and it's been a failure. Good assistant and recruiter but not a HC. Rigby won every where she had been and was a proven HC. Hiring Asst coaches are a gamble, some pay off some don't. We need to hire a proven HC or Asst from a great program. There are plenty of great lower division coaches who could win at Troy I have no proof. But I still think we didn't get the guy Hartwell wanted (NC state assistant) because Troy wouldn't pay enough. That's the way it looked to me.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 20, 2017 19:42:33 GMT -6
Hartwell hired his buddy and it's been a failure. Good assistant and recruiter but not a HC. Rigby won every where she had been and was a proven HC. Hiring Asst coaches are a gamble, some pay off some don't. We need to hire a proven HC or Asst from a great program. There are plenty of great lower division coaches who could win at Troy I have no proof. But I still think we didn't get the guy Hartwell wanted (NC state assistant) because Troy wouldn't pay enough. That's the way it looked to me. Sad if this was the best available. Hartwell screwed up on this hire
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Post by trojanfan8878 on Jan 20, 2017 23:18:44 GMT -6
Troyset, no doubt you are passionate with the way you feel and I am not here to defend Coach C but I am confident that this program is moving in the right direction under his leadership and that he will have them ready to make a run in the Belt tournament. As the Ark St. coach said, Troy does have tremendous talent, which comes from great recruiting. Our Conference losses have been so close and the team is giving excellent effort. Let's hold off on giving up on the season until it's over. There shows to be significant improvement over last years squad and we have a lot of Conference games remaining in the season.
Just one man's opinion....
Go TROY!
This program isn't moving in the right direction. Has Troy gotten off to a better start than in the past four years? Yes, but this is the weakest schedule we've played in OOC in many years. We've already lost to a bad USA and an okay Texas State. What makes you think we're going to go on a run and beat these other good teams like Georgia Southern, ULL, Little Rock, Arkansas State, and even UTA again for that matter (UTA was missing their best player Kevin Hervey when they played us). If this team wins the conference tournament, I'll eat crow all day long. But I don't see it happening. It is obvious how well these other teams are coached compared to Troy, and that's going to be the difference. We need a proven winner like Rigby. She came in from Pensacola State after going to the Final Four twice and going 67-7 in just two seasons. Now look what she is doing with Troy. Maybe we need to dip into the NJCAA or Division III/II ranks also... UTA was missing Hervey, you are right. However, not sure if you watched that game or if you attended the game (I did), he would not have made a big enough difference had he played. Troy destroyed UTA and it wasn't even close. Tat was on fire hitting ten 3's. That was probably Troy's most complete game all year. They actually played well the entire game.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jan 21, 2017 18:46:40 GMT -6
This program isn't moving in the right direction. Has Troy gotten off to a better start than in the past four years? Yes, but this is the weakest schedule we've played in OOC in many years. We've already lost to a bad USA and an okay Texas State. What makes you think we're going to go on a run and beat these other good teams like Georgia Southern, ULL, Little Rock, Arkansas State, and even UTA again for that matter (UTA was missing their best player Kevin Hervey when they played us). If this team wins the conference tournament, I'll eat crow all day long. But I don't see it happening. It is obvious how well these other teams are coached compared to Troy, and that's going to be the difference. We need a proven winner like Rigby. She came in from Pensacola State after going to the Final Four twice and going 67-7 in just two seasons. Now look what she is doing with Troy. Maybe we need to dip into the NJCAA or Division III/II ranks also... UTA was missing Hervey, you are right. However, not sure if you watched that game or if you attended the game (I did), he would not have made a big enough difference had he played. Troy destroyed UTA and it wasn't even close. Tat was on fire hitting ten 3's. That was probably Troy's most complete game all year. They actually played well the entire game. Par for the course here that the most critical of the teams rarely attend the games.
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Post by atlantatrojan on Jan 21, 2017 20:51:16 GMT -6
Another loss another day.
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Post by trojanfan8878 on Jan 21, 2017 21:05:32 GMT -6
Tough loss... they played so well for 95% of the game. They have got to learn to finish.
Go Trojans!
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Post by Troystet on Jan 21, 2017 21:41:17 GMT -6
UTA was missing Hervey, you are right. However, not sure if you watched that game or if you attended the game (I did), he would not have made a big enough difference had he played. Troy destroyed UTA and it wasn't even close. Tat was on fire hitting ten 3's. That was probably Troy's most complete game all year. They actually played well the entire game. Par for the course here that the most critical of the teams rarely attend the games. You don't need to attend games to know that Cunningham is in year 4, playing in the finest arena in the conference, has had no improvement in record, has what other coaches say is the most talented team in the Conference and he can't win. His job is to win games....period. This excuses crap we listened to for five years of the prior football staff was proved wrong this season...coaching still matters and makes a difference
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Jan 22, 2017 9:55:35 GMT -6
If you watched the game against Ark St, and apparently many DID NOT, you would have seen a pretty good basketball team, shot well, played incredibly unselfish basketball. Troys ability to drive and pass (at least last night) was as good as I've seen from any team I've seen at Troy.
My only concern, and it can certainly be corrected, is that we do a POOR Job of rotation down low. It seemed to me that when weak side help came, no one rotated down to pick up. Thus Ark St ability to get offensive rebounds unimpeded was obvious. BTW, Cunningham was SCREAMING at the guys to "rotate down" and we just got lost in that part of the game, late in the game.
Now, you just look at box scores, highlights, and statistics, you can certainly form your own opinion. I've coached a lot of basketball, and I will say this, WIYHOUT A DOUBT this is the best "shooting team" I've seen at Troy. Shot selection and defensive rotation are things that need work, CONSTANTLY! Film work and court time in practice fixes much of this.
Just my opinion, a guy that watches and determines if there is improvement and a chance for improvement, and there are both with this team. For those that throw daggers and darts after seeing the box score, well, I got nothing for you. Watch this team and if you know ANYTHING about basketball (aside from your daughter's or sons 12 and under team, or whatever) you would see the same things.
They are easy to watch, most games are on ESPN3, download the app, watch these guys, and then construct your criticism. If I'm not mistaken, our record indicates that we are on our way to possibly Coach C's best season at Troy.
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Post by ksdtrojan on Jan 22, 2017 13:24:39 GMT -6
If you watched the game against Ark St, and apparently many DID NOT, you would have seen a pretty good basketball team, shot well, played incredibly unselfish basketball. Troys ability to drive and pass (at least last night) was as good as I've seen from any team I've seen at Troy. My only concern, and it can certainly be corrected, is that we do a POOR Job of rotation down low. It seemed to me that when weak side help came, no one rotated down to pick up. Thus Ark St ability to get offensive rebounds unimpeded was obvious. BTW, Cunningham was SCREAMING at the guys to "rotate down" and we just got lost in that part of the game, late in the game. Now, you just look at box scores, highlights, and statistics, you can certainly form your own opinion. I've coached a lot of basketball, and I will say this, WIYHOUT A DOUBT this is the best "shooting team" I've seen at Troy. Shot selection and defensive rotation are things that need work, CONSTANTLY! Film work and court time in practice fixes much of this. Just my opinion, a guy that watches and determines if there is improvement and a chance for improvement, and there are both with this team. For those that throw daggers and darts after seeing the box score, well, I got nothing for you. Watch this team and if you know ANYTHING about basketball (aside from your daughter's or sons 12 and under team, or whatever) you would see the same things. They are easy to watch, most games are on ESPN3, download the app, watch these guys, and then construct your criticism. If I'm not mistaken, our record indicates that we are on our way to possibly Coach C's best season at Troy. This is 100% accurate!
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2017 13:40:45 GMT -6
Does winning games and finishing above .333 each season matter at Troy? I'm just curious as to what a coach's expectations are at Troy? If winning doesn't matter we are the exception in college athletics
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Jan 22, 2017 16:08:36 GMT -6
Does winning games and finishing above .333 each season matter at Troy? I'm just curious as to what a coach's expectations are at Troy? If winning doesn't matter we are the exception in college athletics What are you talking about, .333?
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2017 16:37:50 GMT -6
Does winning games and finishing above .333 each season matter at Troy? I'm just curious as to what a coach's expectations are at Troy? If winning doesn't matter we are the exception in college athletics What are you talking about, .333? 13-14. .333 14-15. .250 15-16. .200 16-17 so far. .500
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Jan 22, 2017 23:26:01 GMT -6
UTA was missing Hervey, you are right. However, not sure if you watched that game or if you attended the game (I did), he would not have made a big enough difference had he played. Troy destroyed UTA and it wasn't even close. Tat was on fire hitting ten 3's. That was probably Troy's most complete game all year. They actually played well the entire game. Par for the course here that the most critical of the teams rarely attend the games. Troy played phenomenal against UTA. But why is Troy beating UTA, yet losing to Texas State, USA, USF, etc.? Beating a very good UTA means absolutely nothing if this becomes another losing season. It all becomes a forgotten memory. And your wrong if you think Hervey wouldn't have made a difference. Would Troy have still probably won? It's likely. But that guy is averaging nearly 20 points and 10 rebounds per game, and everybody that has played UTA has trouble driving in the paint because he is so big and can block. Troy wouldn't have had the same success in the paint, that's for certain... even with Vernado. The game would've looked much different. And Hemi... we hashed this out last season about all of this. My job has me traveling on the road all the time, thus I probably attend the most Troy away games besides coaches, players, and parents. I wasn't in Troy for the UTA game, but I saw everything on ESPN3. I really feel like basketball is on the backburner for a lot of you. If this was football, and Neal Brown was in his 4th season after going 4-8, 4-8, and 3-9 his first three seasons, everyone would be wanting a change at the helm. But since it's basketball and that's not what Troy is nationally known for, you don't care very much. Let's be real here... I'd be willing to bet a lot of you that criticize those of us wanting a coaching change, probably don't even watch or listen to half of the basketball games. You're most likely a casual Troy basketball fan, and not one that keeps up with the schedule and looks forward to them throughout the day like it's a football game. I'd also be willing to bet that those of us wanting a coaching change probably watch/attend more games than do the ones that think we are just being critical. And if I'm wrong, and you are a die-hard Troy basketball fan that thinks Cunningham is doing good things and deserves another season... then you either know Cunningham personally and can't bear to see him fired, or you have something loose in your noggin. There's really no other explanation as to why you think a coach that is currently 10-10 (2-4 SBC) is showing signs of improvement after going 30-61 the past three seasons. If you consider being .500 overall with a losing record in conference play "improvement," then you've really set the bar low.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Jan 22, 2017 23:41:05 GMT -6
Navarre Trojan looks like he knows exactly what he's talking about.
But there needs to come a time when we come to the conclusion that the coaching isn't good at Troy. StAte just got in a new coach (an assistant from Baylor) this season, and had to fill in a lot of gaps that were open from a team that had players leave, graduate, or transfer out after Brady was ousted. The players also had to learn a totally different style of play in one off-season. And after all of that, he has StAte off to their best start in a decade at 13-6 (4-2).
See the difference?
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Post by Navarre Trojan on Mar 13, 2017 17:14:41 GMT -6
Looks like there is big pile of Crowded CROW that needs to be bit down on by some in this old thread.
Read back just 45 days ago and see what a GREAT JOB this team, staff and admin have done..
HAVOC!
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Post by Hemi Man on Mar 13, 2017 17:31:17 GMT -6
Par for the course here that the most critical of the teams rarely attend the games. Troy played phenomenal against UTA. But why is Troy beating UTA, yet losing to Texas State, USA, USF, etc.? Beating a very good UTA means absolutely nothing if this becomes another losing season. It all becomes a forgotten memory. And your wrong if you think Hervey wouldn't have made a difference. Would Troy have still probably won? It's likely. But that guy is averaging nearly 20 points and 10 rebounds per game, and everybody that has played UTA has trouble driving in the paint because he is so big and can block. Troy wouldn't have had the same success in the paint, that's for certain... even with Vernado. The game would've looked much different. And Hemi... we hashed this out last season about all of this. My job has me traveling on the road all the time, thus I probably attend the most Troy away games besides coaches, players, and parents. I wasn't in Troy for the UTA game, but I saw everything on ESPN3. I really feel like basketball is on the backburner for a lot of you. If this was football, and Neal Brown was in his 4th season after going 4-8, 4-8, and 3-9 his first three seasons, everyone would be wanting a change at the helm. But since it's basketball and that's not what Troy is nationally known for, you don't care very much. Let's be real here... I'd be willing to bet a lot of you that criticize those of us wanting a coaching change, probably don't even watch or listen to half of the basketball games. You're most likely a casual Troy basketball fan, and not one that keeps up with the schedule and looks forward to them throughout the day like it's a football game. I'd also be willing to bet that those of us wanting a coaching change probably watch/attend more games than do the ones that think we are just being critical. And if I'm wrong, and you are a die-hard Troy basketball fan that thinks Cunningham is doing good things and deserves another season... then you either know Cunningham personally and can't bear to see him fired, or you have something loose in your noggin. There's really no other explanation as to why you think a coach that is currently 10-10 (2-4 SBC) is showing signs of improvement after going 30-61 the past three seasons. If you consider being .500 overall with a losing record in conference play "improvement," then you've really set the bar low.
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Post by cornhole on Mar 13, 2017 17:35:03 GMT -6
Looks like there is big pile of Crowded CROW that needs to be bit down on by some in this old thread. Read back just 45 days ago and see what a GREAT JOB this team, staff and admin have done.. HAVOC! Hey Navarre! That dude got his wittle feelings hurt and took his toys home weeks ago. Something about the Trojan Locals, recruiting in all the wrong places, hiring the wrong staff and using Juco transfers etc, etc, etc, etc. Ad nauseam. Please sir! Let sleeping dogs lie!! 04-cheers
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Post by cornhole on Mar 13, 2017 17:36:28 GMT -6
That photo of Coach Phil Cunningham says it all.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Mar 13, 2017 22:29:26 GMT -6
Troy played phenomenal against UTA. But why is Troy beating UTA, yet losing to Texas State, USA, USF, etc.? Beating a very good UTA means absolutely nothing if this becomes another losing season. It all becomes a forgotten memory. And your wrong if you think Hervey wouldn't have made a difference. Would Troy have still probably won? It's likely. But that guy is averaging nearly 20 points and 10 rebounds per game, and everybody that has played UTA has trouble driving in the paint because he is so big and can block. Troy wouldn't have had the same success in the paint, that's for certain... even with Vernado. The game would've looked much different. And Hemi... we hashed this out last season about all of this. My job has me traveling on the road all the time, thus I probably attend the most Troy away games besides coaches, players, and parents. I wasn't in Troy for the UTA game, but I saw everything on ESPN3. I really feel like basketball is on the backburner for a lot of you. If this was football, and Neal Brown was in his 4th season after going 4-8, 4-8, and 3-9 his first three seasons, everyone would be wanting a change at the helm. But since it's basketball and that's not what Troy is nationally known for, you don't care very much. Let's be real here... I'd be willing to bet a lot of you that criticize those of us wanting a coaching change, probably don't even watch or listen to half of the basketball games. You're most likely a casual Troy basketball fan, and not one that keeps up with the schedule and looks forward to them throughout the day like it's a football game. I'd also be willing to bet that those of us wanting a coaching change probably watch/attend more games than do the ones that think we are just being critical. And if I'm wrong, and you are a die-hard Troy basketball fan that thinks Cunningham is doing good things and deserves another season... then you either know Cunningham personally and can't bear to see him fired, or you have something loose in your noggin. There's really no other explanation as to why you think a coach that is currently 10-10 (2-4 SBC) is showing signs of improvement after going 30-61 the past three seasons. If you consider being .500 overall with a losing record in conference play "improvement," then you've really set the bar low. Believe me, Hemi, I still stand by what I said at the current time. During that point of the season, there was no significant sign of improvement, and I'm not wrong in saying that. The team that we watched last week didn't play that way during the first half of the season. Am I right? The team turned it around at the beginning of February and strung together a phenomenal run. The players finally look like they are on the same page and gelling. Like I said in a previous thread, I told everyone I would GLADLY eat crow if Cunningham made something special happen... and he did. So I'll happily eat a big dish of it right now. Give the man another season, he deserves it.
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