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Post by saintflorian on Jan 26, 2016 20:41:28 GMT -6
Halftime lead. Let's go Trojans! South in my mouth must go down.
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Jan 26, 2016 21:28:28 GMT -6
So far in the second half, usa has dominated.
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Post by Mr. Ho on Jan 26, 2016 23:07:38 GMT -6
Good God, 6-14 is not progress, it's abysmal. Do all of the teams even make the conference tournament, not that it would matter. Again, Mr. Ho not call for anyone head, but after running off greatest coach in TMTDM basketball history, this is what we got? What is plan for future other than patience because after 3 year Mr. Ho about to run out of it.
We have a $45 million facility and $4.50 team.
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Jan 26, 2016 23:54:20 GMT -6
When listening to the past 3 or 4 post game press conferences, Cunningham has really gone from a guy that never really directly called his team out for bad playing, to now he seems fed up with their poor play and is starting to pressure the players to step up and do something.
I hope they do step up soon... because this season is becoming an embarrassment, and I think Cunningham is starting to feel the heat a little.
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 27, 2016 5:49:47 GMT -6
Statstically we have not been eliminated for a conference title. Maybe losing to your hated rival on your home floor is the trigger that turns into us winning our remaining games and finishing above .500.
Yes I have been resolved to cheering for us to make it to .500.
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Post by Hemi Man on Jan 27, 2016 7:43:02 GMT -6
Just a bad performance last night in the second half. Poor decisions on passes, good looks, but missed open shots, and several times failing to get the ball across half court. I think our youth is the bright spot, but it's also hurting us at times right now.
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Post by pctrojan16 on Jan 27, 2016 7:51:10 GMT -6
After watching many if the games in person, this isn't a coaching problem, some of our guys wanna be flashy rather than play fundamental basketball. That's the kids attitudes, not coaching
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Post by Redwaver on Jan 27, 2016 8:39:00 GMT -6
After watching many if the games in person, this isn't a coaching problem, some of our guys wanna be flashy rather than play fundamental basketball. That's the kids attitudes, not coaching If what you say is factual then as coach, Mr Cunningham has every right even obligation to bench said player(s) if "Flashy" outweighs teamwork. If he doesn't then it IS a coaching problem. One person......just one can determine a teams identity. That identity is made up of a lot of parts contributed by each player but it is set as a whole by one person......the coach. Young teams often struggle with establishing this element of being a winner and that's often s coaches most difficult chore. I truly think that was one of the biggest factor in the fall of the football team during LB last years sadly. Discipline went on vacation!
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 27, 2016 9:06:58 GMT -6
After watching many if the games in person, this isn't a coaching problem, some of our guys wanna be flashy rather than play fundamental basketball. That's the kids attitudes, not coaching The issues you state above would be directly related to coaching. Coaching has everything to do with the teams preparation, attitude, performance, adjustments, etc. etc. But I don't think your above reasons are the main issues. Some coaches are just not good "on the floor/game time" coaches. Good recruiters/ good organizers but on the court are just "out-coached, out-schemed, out-adjusted"
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Post by Troystet on Jan 27, 2016 9:30:40 GMT -6
After watching many if the games in person, this isn't a coaching problem, some of our guys wanna be flashy rather than play fundamental basketball. That's the kids attitudes, not coaching If what you say is factual then as coach, Mr Cunningham has every right even obligation to bench said player(s) if "Flashy" outweighs teamwork. If he doesn't then it IS a coaching problem. One person......just one can determine a teams identity. That identity is made up of a lot of parts contributed by each player but it is set as a whole by one person......the coach. Young teams often struggle with establishing this element of being a winner and that's often s coaches most difficult chore. I truly think that was one of the biggest factor in the fall of the football team during LB last years sadly. Discipline went on vacation! 100% correct. Coaches Lay the ground work of what is expected of them...or else. Players being to flashy instead of playing fundamentals. That's a discipline issue. Kentucky gets some of the best hs players in the country, everyone thinks he's the man, yet they play as a team. Same with Uconn women's team. This is year three and it looks likes our record this year will be worse than year one. Year two was worse than year one also. So put two and two together. Either it's players or coaches but either way coach is responsible, he recruited them and coaches them
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Post by cardinalblacktrojan on Jan 27, 2016 10:47:04 GMT -6
I just want Troy to have a good men's basketball team again...
I was really hoping the foundation for success was being rebuilt in the 2009 and 2010 seasons... man was I wrong. I think Maestri just happened to have a good mix of shooters, athletes, and talented transfers (Coleman and Delk) that developed good chemistry for those two years.
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Post by LAZebra on Jan 27, 2016 12:45:42 GMT -6
Just a bad performance last night in the second half. Poor decisions on passes, good looks, but missed open shots, and several times failing to get the ball across half court. I think our youth is the bright spot, but it's also hurting us at times right now. And the worst part is, we got beat by the same guy, #10, who torched us last year. He is a really unimpressive athlete who is an impressive basketball player. The terms I use are undersized and goofy. But, when you watch him play, he hustles for every loose ball and usually gets them; he gets lots of rebounds against bigger, stronger, more athletic opponents, he shoots well from the floor and the line, he never stops playing full speed on offense or defense. If our far superior athletes can develop that kind of hustle and work ethic as a team, they will be very difficult to beat, even by the best teams in our conference. I believe these guys and this coach can get it done and I really hope they do!
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 27, 2016 12:54:58 GMT -6
Just a bad performance last night in the second half. Poor decisions on passes, good looks, but missed open shots, and several times failing to get the ball across half court. I think our youth is the bright spot, but it's also hurting us at times right now. .....I believe these guys and this coach can get it done and I really hope they do! When ?
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Post by LAZebra on Jan 27, 2016 13:02:53 GMT -6
.....I believe these guys and this coach can get it done and I really hope they do! When ? Saint, Do you not hope that these Trojan Student Athletes and Coach Cunningham succeed? You don't have to believe, but all Trojans should hope!
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Post by Troystet on Jan 27, 2016 13:23:30 GMT -6
I hope we get a change because status quo gets worse each season
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 27, 2016 14:02:56 GMT -6
Saint, Do you not hope that these Trojan Student Athletes and Coach Cunningham succeed? You don't have to believe, but all Trojans should hope! Of course, we all want success. But all the hoping in success turns into stark reality. This is DI athletics. Big time, Big business. Need to quit treating our university's leadership as the Mother Goose from a fairytale and demand accountability and results. For far too long the fan base has allowed our leadership (starting with Hawkins) to run Troy And its Atheltic department like a backwater country town, good ole network. And a good portion of the fanbase has capitulated to this fact. Reality is we have the best BB facilty in the SB. We want to win championships. When we keep losing and regressing, it's frustrating. Zebra, remember the definition of insanity ? In my businesses, I demand of my managers when will they accomplish the goals of there departments and the company. Reality. If they can't someone is ready to. Again, when will we see results ?
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 27, 2016 15:04:43 GMT -6
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Post by LAZebra on Jan 27, 2016 19:00:00 GMT -6
Saint, Do you not hope that these Trojan Student Athletes and Coach Cunningham succeed? You don't have to believe, but all Trojans should hope! Of course, we all want success. But all the hoping in success turns into stark reality. This is DI athletics. Big time, Big business. Need to quit treating our university's leadership as the Mother Goose from a fairytale and demand accountability and results. For far too long the fan base has allowed our leadership (starting with Hawkins) to run Troy And its Atheltic department like a backwater country town, good ole network. And a good portion of the fanbase has capitulated to this fact. Reality is we have the best BB facilty in the SB. We want to win championships. When we keep losing and regressing, it's frustrating. Zebra, remember the definition of insanity ? In my businesses, I demand of my managers when will they accomplish the goals of there departments and the company. Reality. If they can't someone is ready to. Again, when will we see results ? I don't disagree with anything you have posted. We certainly should expect better, we should expect coaches and administrators to be accountable for the results they achieve. I also believe that, if fans/boosters/alums are an important part of Troy Athletics, in a public forum we have an obligation to support, root for, express confidence in our athletes and coaches! I prefer to reserve my criticism to the opportunities I have for expressing it directly and privately to those who have the position and authority to make changes. Most alums and boosters get opportunities to speak with and/or provide feedback in written form several times a year. It takes more effort than posting frustrations here, but it actually gets to the people who can do something and it doesn't sow seeds of discontent in a public forum for student athletes, recruits and enemies (rivals) to see.
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 27, 2016 19:43:51 GMT -6
Of course, we all want success. But all the hoping in success turns into stark reality. This is DI athletics. Big time, Big business. Need to quit treating our university's leadership as the Mother Goose from a fairytale and demand accountability and results. For far too long the fan base has allowed our leadership (starting with Hawkins) to run Troy And its Atheltic department like a backwater country town, good ole network. And a good portion of the fanbase has capitulated to this fact. Reality is we have the best BB facilty in the SB. We want to win championships. When we keep losing and regressing, it's frustrating. Zebra, remember the definition of insanity ? In my businesses, I demand of my managers when will they accomplish the goals of there departments and the company. Reality. If they can't someone is ready to. Again, when will we see results ? I don't disagree with anything you have posted. We certainly should expect better, we should expect coaches and administrators to be accountable for the results they achieve. I also believe that, if fans/boosters/alums are an important part of Troy Athletics, in a public forum we have an obligation to support, root for, express confidence in our athletes and coaches! I prefer to reserve my criticism to the opportunities I have for expressing it directly and privately to those who have the position and authority to make changes. Most alums and boosters get opportunities to speak with and/or provide feedback in written form several times a year. It takes more effort than posting frustrations here, but it actually gets to the people who can do something and it doesn't sow seeds of discontent in a public forum for student athletes, recruits and enemies (rivals) to see. Zebra, your response above is sincere and mature, that is appreciated. Your points are fair and have merit. But in a lot of cases are not realistic. Online mediums are the new communication norm, it certainly cannot be fun when you are losing. But it is real. Real. If the communication on forums like these are not valid or out of bounds it will be exposed and disregarded. Fans, supporters, lookers, browsers etc. want it to be real. If you want nothing but gummy bears, fluffy clouds, and rainbows to be discussed on this forum while we are losing like this then I say you are not being true and people recognize that as a fraud. Most people can handle the truth they just don't want smoke blown up their backsides. Again, I talked to a current senior a while back and he said he has not seen a winning season in football or men's basketball since he has been at Troy. He doesn't need to be told fairy tales about how good it is. He needs to hear this is unacceptable and this is what we are going to do about it. Sponsors knows the status of a program when they choose to invest, they want a winner. They are not worrying about whether or not the teams message boards is all positive fantasy land. They invest in Reality. You want extreme, Go to the Kentucky BB boards, they lose a couple games and that place explodes. God forbid they have a losing season they want to riot. ALL fanbases are same. Regardless of anything, you know what solves ALL of our issues and discussion points ? WINNING
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Post by Trojans1andAll on Jan 29, 2016 4:29:28 GMT -6
Zebra, your response above is sincere and mature, that is appreciated. Your points are fair and have merit. But in a lot of cases are not realistic. Online mediums are the new communication norm, it certainly cannot be fun when you are losing. But it is real. Real. If the communication on forums like these are not valid or out of bounds it will be exposed and disregarded. Fans, supporters, lookers, browsers etc. want it to be real. If you want nothing but gummy bears, fluffy clouds, and rainbows to be discussed on this forum while we are losing like this then I say you are not being true and people recognize that as a fraud. Most people can handle the truth they just don't want smoke blown up their backsides. Again, I talked to a current senior a while back and he said he has not seen a winning season in football or men's basketball since he has been at Troy. He doesn't need to be told fairy tales about how good it is. He needs to hear this is unacceptable and this is what we are going to do about it. Sponsors knows the status of a program when they choose to invest, they want a winner. They are not worrying about whether or not the teams message boards is all positive fantasy land. They invest in Reality. You want extreme, Go to the Kentucky BB boards, they lose a couple games and that place explodes. God forbid they have a losing season they want to riot. ALL fanbases are same. Regardless of anything, you know what solves ALL of our issues and discussion points ? WINNING iagree
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