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Post by saintflorian on Jan 22, 2016 12:10:44 GMT -6
@troymenshoops
FINAL: ULM 85, TROY 74. Jeremy Hollimon scored a career-high 26 pts. Troy will face ULL on Sat. at 6:30 on ESPN3. pic.twitter.com/I9WLv4ZIHg
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 22, 2016 12:11:24 GMT -6
We have issues with this program....
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 22, 2016 12:35:35 GMT -6
Issues? Yes. Inconsistency and youth. But, hey...firing the coach will fix everything instantly.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2016 13:14:22 GMT -6
Issues? Yes. Inconsistency and youth. But, hey...firing the coach will fix everything instantly. I'm just curious as to why at every other school and every professional sport a coach is held accountable for his record but a coach at Troy is exempt??
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 22, 2016 13:27:27 GMT -6
Issues? Yes. Inconsistency and youth. But, hey...firing the coach will fix everything instantly. I'm just curious as to why at every other school and every professional sport a coach is held accountable for his record but a coach at Troy is exempt?? I'm not the AD or chancellor...not my area of expertise. As a fan, I understand where we were and that moving from there wouldn't happen overnight. From all jucos to a nucleus of underclassmen has taken a couple of recruiting cycles and they are trying to learn how to win at this level. So, as a fan, I can choose to be a supporter or a complainer...I choose the former. That doesn't mean that I accept losing by default. It means that change was made and it should be seen with perspective.
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Post by Troystet on Jan 22, 2016 13:33:10 GMT -6
I'm just curious as to why at every other school and every professional sport a coach is held accountable for his record but a coach at Troy is exempt?? I'm not the AD or chancellor...not my area of expertise. As a fan, I understand where we were and that moving from there wouldn't happen overnight. From all jucos to a nucleus of underclassmen has taken a couple of recruiting cycles and they are trying to learn how to win at this level. So, as a fan, I can choose to be a supporter or a complainer...I choose the former. That doesn't mean that I accept losing by default. It means that change was made and it should be seen with perspective. That wasn't the question. I asked why at every school and pro sports is a coach held accountable for his record but not Troy? I'm sure there is many a fired coach for losing that gave the same reasons we are giving this team. At what point does winning matter? Year 4? Year 5? Year 10? Coaches, the last time I checked are paid to win. When you don't win...usually you aren't paid anymore. How do you explain his best year as year one with all juco's? If year three is worse than year one and two???
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 22, 2016 13:58:59 GMT -6
Issues? Yes. Inconsistency and youth. But, hey...firing the coach will fix everything instantly. Where did I say fire the coach ?
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 22, 2016 14:04:42 GMT -6
Issues? Yes. Inconsistency and youth. But, hey...firing the coach will fix everything instantly. Where did I say fire the coach ? My apologies...
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 22, 2016 14:09:48 GMT -6
I'm not the AD or chancellor...not my area of expertise. As a fan, I understand where we were and that moving from there wouldn't happen overnight. From all jucos to a nucleus of underclassmen has taken a couple of recruiting cycles and they are trying to learn how to win at this level. So, as a fan, I can choose to be a supporter or a complainer...I choose the former. That doesn't mean that I accept losing by default. It means that change was made and it should be seen with perspective. That wasn't the question. I asked why at every school and pro sports is a coach held accountable for his record but not Troy? I'm sure there is many a fired coach for losing that gave the same reasons we are giving this team. At what point does winning matter? Year 4? Year 5? Year 10? Coaches, the last time I checked are paid to win. When you don't win...usually you aren't paid anymore. How do you explain his best year as year one with all juco's? If year three is worse than year one and two??? See my previous answer.
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 22, 2016 14:14:35 GMT -6
Issues? Yes. Inconsistency and youth. . IMO can't use youth as an excuse in Year 3. If this was football, youth would be a viable excuse. In basketball's world today having had guys in the program for two to three years is good and commonplace. Regardless, there is wayyyy too much talent on this team for it to be 6-12 (1-6). Inconsistency in a team can be directly linked to coaching, not necessarily all the time but it contributes at every level. Something is just not right.
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Post by trojanbrutha on Jan 22, 2016 15:13:04 GMT -6
Issues? Yes. Inconsistency and youth. . IMO can't use youth as an excuse in Year 3. If this was football, youth would be a viable excuse. In basketball's world today having had guys in the program for two to three years is good and commonplace. Regardless, there is wayyyy too much talent on this team for it to be 6-12 (1-6). Inconsistency in a team can be directly linked to coaching, not necessarily all the time but it contributes at every level. Something is just not right. The bulk of the talent are freshmen. Varnardo, Miller, and Hopkins. There are contributors in Hollimon, JW3 , and Peace, but the program building blocks are freshmen, outside of Person...a sophomore. People wanted to get away from the DMs jucos and it has taken this long...If I were the new AD, I'd honor his contract and base his extension upon his team's performance during the same time-frame.
I do not believe the inconsistency is due to 100% coaching. I do know that has some to do with your opponent occasionally. ULM is 6-0 at home this season. Doesn't help much if your leading scorer is held to 8 pts either.
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Post by TheAmericanDream on Jan 22, 2016 15:18:53 GMT -6
A midseason firing won't do a thing to improve this team. Quit complaining.
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Post by saintflorian on Jan 22, 2016 15:38:23 GMT -6
IMO can't use youth as an excuse in Year 3. If this was football, youth would be a viable excuse. In basketball's world today having had guys in the program for two to three years is good and commonplace. Regardless, there is wayyyy too much talent on this team for it to be 6-12 (1-6). Inconsistency in a team can be directly linked to coaching, not necessarily all the time but it contributes at every level. Something is just not right. The bulk of the talent are freshmen. Varnardo, Miller, and Hopkins. There are contributors in Hollimon, JW3 , and Peace, but the program building blocks are freshmen, outside of Person...a sophomore. People wanted to get away from the DMs jucos and it has taken this long...If I were the new AD, I'd honor his contract and base his extension upon his team's performance during the same time-frame.
I do not believe the inconsistency is due to 100% coaching. I do know that has some to do with your opponent occasionally. ULM is 6-0 at home this season. Doesn't help much if your leading scorer is held to 8 pts either.
Always maintained that Coach needs 4 years. But I certainly didn't expect a bottom cellar season, if we finish last in the SB.....(not good). Hopefully they can make a run and get back to level.
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Post by Trojanfan2 on Jan 23, 2016 8:58:10 GMT -6
The bulk of the talent are freshmen. Varnardo, Miller, and Hopkins. There are contributors in Hollimon, JW3 , and Peace, but the program building blocks are freshmen, outside of Person...a sophomore. People wanted to get away from the DMs jucos and it has taken this long...If I were the new AD, I'd honor his contract and base his extension upon his team's performance during the same time-frame.
I do not believe the inconsistency is due to 100% coaching. I do know that has some to do with your opponent occasionally. ULM is 6-0 at home this season. Doesn't help much if your leading scorer is held to 8 pts either.
Always maintained that Coach needs 4 years. But I certainly didn't expect a bottom cellar season, if we finish last in the SB.....(not good). Hopefully they can make a run and get back to level. Things can be turned around in a couple of years. That's two recruiting seasons plus the old team. The old players are skilled players too. Five to eight players can make a huge difference in basketball and you should have them in your third year. Maybe we already have those players but if our record doesn't start improving we won't be getting many more.
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Post by cornhole on Jan 26, 2016 18:17:03 GMT -6
I'm not the AD or chancellor...not my area of expertise. As a fan, I understand where we were and that moving from there wouldn't happen overnight. From all jucos to a nucleus of underclassmen has taken a couple of recruiting cycles and they are trying to learn how to win at this level. So, as a fan, I can choose to be a supporter or a complainer...I choose the former. That doesn't mean that I accept losing by default. It means that change was made and it should be seen with perspective. That wasn't the question. I asked why at every school and pro sports is a coach held accountable for his record but not Troy? I'm sure there is many a fired coach for losing that gave the same reasons we are giving this team. At what point does winning matter? Year 4? Year 5? Year 10? Coaches, the last time I checked are paid to win. When you don't win...usually you aren't paid anymore. How do you explain his best year as year one with all juco's? If year three is worse than year one and two???Quality of competition for one...
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